I believe he was referring to your "short term" comment. Van Gaal is only 62.
If he wasn't, my mistake.
If he wasn't, my mistake.
Moyes has to go
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TBH at this moment in time it doesnt matter who we get it, the negativity he seems to have caused around the club just follows him around. If we got someone like Giggs or G.Nev to take over until the end of the season it might actually give us a lift.
It honestly doesnt matter who we bring in now because the seasons over, i just want to get rid, get a temp manager and put serious thought on who will take over in summer - and by that i mean look all over the world dont restrict ourself to British managers in hopes they'll pull a "Fergie"
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Ah, I didn't know that. Then most probably they rose because we lost to Olympiacos.
On the same day...
What could be the reason??
Nah too difficult. Can't really solve this from a pure professional speculative perspective.
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You talk about fear
“The manager keeps us bright and bubbly and focused on ourselves. That’s good. Not always having to look over your shoulder at who is coming next is good.”
Preparations during the week, no matter what game you go into, the focus has not at any point in time this season been on the other team. On Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday it has always been about us. When you have to do this for 40 weeks of the year, it’s nice not have to come into work every day thinking, ‘Oh, that’s looming ahead’.
These were some comments by Tim Howard on what it is like playing for Martinez. Unfortunately we know who is is comparing him to.
Moyes is a negative manager. I think that his approach, yes, a small time approach of fearing other teams, has shattered the confidence of the players. It isn't what they are used to. I would guess that it makes little sense to the players.
Howard then didn't want to be seen to be insulting Moyes and said
“We have to give as much respect as we can to David Moyes. We have been in good situations before and I take the point it is a different way of getting to the same place.
But is that approach the approach of an underdog trying to punch above its weight or of an elite football team?
You talk about fear
“The manager keeps us bright and bubbly and focused on ourselves. That’s good. Not always having to look over your shoulder at who is coming next is good.”
Preparations during the week, no matter what game you go into, the focus has not at any point in time this season been on the other team. On Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday and Friday it has always been about us. When you have to do this for 40 weeks of the year, it’s nice not have to come into work every day thinking, ‘Oh, that’s looming ahead’.
These were some comments by Tim Howard on what it is like playing for Martinez. Unfortunately we know who is is comparing him to.
Moyes is a negative manager. I think that his approach, yes, a small time approach of fearing other teams, has shattered the confidence of the players. It isn't what they are used to. I would guess that it makes little sense to the players.
Howard then didn't want to be seen to be insulting Moyes and said
“We have to give as much respect as we can to David Moyes. We have been in good situations before and I take the point it is a different way of getting to the same place.
But is that approach the approach of an underdog trying to punch above its weight or of an elite football team?
Well we're hardly going to get ten years out of van Gaal. This is another issue, the club need to dump this romanticism and get with the modern game. Most managers worth their weight only remain at a club for a few years.
Calling them cnuts? For bringing the trophies we enjoyed?
And you call urself fans? Expecting them to play with pride while the fans called them cnuts? Hypocrites, how bout supporting the club thru thick and thin?
And what about moyes? Why dont u call him a cnut as well, he's the biggest let down of them all, heck let's call saf a cnut as well for pointing the wrong man.
Some respect ffs
I think he's being sarcastic.
Premier League is full of great dangerous teams. I like the fact that Moyes is trying to instill fear into players, it's good, they should be fecking terrified.
I think this whole bashing of our players needs to stop, yes we havent got the most talented squad in the world but why have all of the Moyes defenders jumped onto it and would rather blame them then the manager? Players who have been good servants to the club and achieved so much?
I think the whole tactic vs player debate is a bit like the chicken and the egg - which is the cause and which is the effect. All we can see as rational people is these players in the last few years have shown they are top quality players and while some are coming to the end of their playing career that doesnt automatically make them rubbish. If the manager has failed to identify their limitations after 8 months and cannot adapt to it how can you stand there and say the tactics discussion is pointless?
Regarding how our players cant make 10 yard passes well in our current 442 the players play more than 10 yards apart. You can see major holes in our team that opponents are attacking, the flip side is we dont offer any options for people on the ball either. As for RvP misses, last season he missed a few as well but because we seemed to create quite a lot of chances it didnt matter, this season he gets one chance a game and we have to blame him because he doesnt finish it masking another poor United display... Jesus
That's because our players are nothing but a bunch of overpaid, sulky prima donnas who have let Moyes down. They have done nothing for this club and are trying to bring Moyes down.
Bastards, i never thought about it that way! Moyes 442 is brilliant i say (BRILLIANT) these players just want to cause a fuss. Dickheads. Dickheads the lot of them!
In all seriousness I do suspect some player's aren't playing for Moyes and are hoping he'll be sacked. But that hardly started the first day he walked into the office.
That video is great, not only for the broken English but it displays the teams mentality and Moyes' lack of trust in attacking down the middle.
There was Japanese at the top on the Youtube link, so I assume it's a Japanese edit. They learn English from Americans mainly so you can understand it not being so good.
See, i may be biased, but i dont really get that vibe from our players. Something i get, shown in Carricks post match interview midweek, is how devoid of any confidence we are - something Moyes should be trying to instill.
I hate how Moyes comes out after every draw/defeat and looks downbeat and says they will keep trying. Great managers will deflect the blame from the players and shoulder all of it, Jose does it, SAF did it but Moyes is too honest about it. The players watching that are hardly going to get a lift
What you're saying is incorrect. In fact, you don't seem to've watched the video at all.
Watch the vid 'again' and note the string of 1-2s between Kagawa and Carrick at 1.06 where they pass their way through Olympiakos' midfield.
Then at 2.00 you can see Kagawa begin the best move of the game that lead to a borderline 'sitter'.
Again, at 3.23 Kagawa passes and moves with Rooney through Olympiakos' midfield, bursts free, plays in Evra in a dangerous position with arguably our best passing move of the game.
The fact shouldn't be lost that he did all this in half an hour, while out of form, in a team that was clearly drilled to aim for the flanks.
We have the players to be playing great football, and Kagawa is clearly one of those players.
I've seen that video too. Someone emailed it to me. All it made me think was how shit some of our players are.
Moyes doesn't coach the players on what option to make in every single possible situation. He doesn't tell Ashley Young not to look up before he swings yet another aimless cross into the box. Lets assume that Moyes tactics/instructions to these players is 'get it wide at every possible opportunity' that video just shows a group of players who aren't good enough to even follow the most simple of instructions.
I believe people vastly underestimate how much a game of football is about the instinct and ability of the players in the team. When you are lacking centre halves that can pass the ball, and centre midfielders who are so terrified of losing the ball or receiving it without the comfort of 10 yards of empty pitch around them, then I'm afraid your options as a team as severly limited.
We are seeing the result right now, every single week. The defenders pass it amongst themselves, it then goes wide because our wingers are the only midfielders that will show for the ball, and they then cross the ball because its the only option available to them other than the occasional overlapping full-back (then they will cross the ball).
I'd wager Moyes runs drill after drill after drill all week in training, only to see if fall apart any time we play a match. Perhaps he simply isn't a good enough coach, but I believe that Carrick and Cleverly are so set in their ways that its impossible to change them. Personally, I'd ditch them both now and start playing Jones and Fellaini every week. At least they both try to compete.
I remain totally convinced that buying two quality central midfielders will totally transform this team.
There is absolutely no confidence there at the moment. And the player's confidence in the manager must be wavering with each passing game.
I get that too from most of them. They aren't pissed off at the manager and playing shit to spite them, more they are devoid of confidence in the team and in Moyes. They keep plugging away even though they know it's fruitless the way we are currently playing.
I don't think Moyes can install any confidence or belief in the players unless he changes the way we set up or stops picking certain players. If us lot can see some of the flaws of the team that never bother to get rectified then the players sure as hell can.
Do you not see the player's losing confidence in Moyes as he has persisted with this same set up and certain player's?
I don't know what the players are supposed to do. They're clearly following his instructions to the letter. Granted last year we weren't the most fluid we've been in recent times but we had the ability to change pace/switch gear and to adapt our style of play depending on circumstance we were in. Now we just play the same way. My blind aunt who has been dead for six years can see that Young and Valencia have been pants for so long now, but still he persists on making them the focal point of our play and everything we do goes through the wide areas. Regardless of who is playing that's absurd for a club of our ambitions but when the players you charge with this responsibility are as poor as those to it becomes farcical.
You can compensate for less than brilliant players on the pitch by not asking for 99% of everything to involve them directly.
You can compensate for less than brilliant players on the pitch by not asking for 99% of everything to involve them directly.
Interesting. Didn't know we had a mole at Carrington. Care to share those instructions with the rest of us?
It's been pretty evident at times this season that the player's have been ordered to get it wide and get crosses in.
Oh yeah but if things change I could see some of them coming around eventually. It would take a drastic change which I doubt Moyes is capable of though.
You can only blame players for lack of discipline, if they miss training sessions for example or if they refuse to follow the coach's orders. As far as I know none of that happened.
Even if you feel they don't respect him anymore then it's his fault not theirs. Respect is not given, or forced on somebody. It's earned.
Personally I think they still respect him by the way, they're just severely lacking confidence that they're going anywhere with this system. And for a good reason.
Even if you feel they don't respect him anymore then it's his fault not theirs. Respect is not given, or forced on somebody. It's earned.
Personally I think they still respect him by the way, they're just severely lacking confidence that they're going anywhere with this system. And for a good reason.
Maybe confidence isn't the issue, and enthusiasm is.
For what it's worth I see things improving slightly next season, but not substantially enough to meet Manchester United's demands.
I used to think this but now i am not too sure, Carrick and Cleverley/Fletcher arent world class MFs but if he cant get a tune out of them im curious what it will be like for a player who just comes into the league and doesnt speak english...
Every morning I wake up in the hope that the news might be he's been sacked.
Intentional?
We don't play a passing game.I hope we're not talking about David Moyes come next season. But if that is the case I do agree with you, even if it's because most players have put this season out of their minds and forgotten how horrible his tactics can be.
It doesn't really matter if it's Moyes' inability to get the players to follow his genius tactics or the players perfectly following his shit tactics, in the end the result is the same and the manager has to go.
I heard there was a sharp rise in the sale of Prawn Sandwiches ,I reckon it was that.
That's because you think if we buy two midfielders then our team will become so good anybody can coach. Not because you believe that's what fits Moyes' style, if he has one mind you.