Moyes has to go

[Plugsy]

Do you think that what we have seen from Moyes is the best he has to offer?

Do you think that Moyes is incapable of improving or learning from his first years experience?

I personally don't think we have seen what Moyes is capable to date in many ways the gravity of the job has stifled any qualities he has as a manager. So they question that people should be asking is can he find his feet?

As far I am concerned, the players performances have made this whole tactics discussion pointless. Whats the point in discussing tactics if players cant make 10 yard passes and the likes of RVP cant finish from 10 yards out? You can play whatever tactics you like but if players are not performing then you cant really say its the tactics that are causing the issues.

I don't know if Moyes will ever pull things together, but I think he has done himself a disservice because I personally think he is far far better manager then what we have seen. Some of it is down to the destabilizing of SAF departure, some of it is because some players are not performing and some players are clearly unsettled. I think it would be impossible to imagine that Moyes confidence hasn't been shaken, but again, I wonder if he can compose himself and most importantly start asserting himself publically and in the dressingroom, what he can achieve.

The fans calling Moyes useless or a crap manager haven't a clue to be honest . .

The problem is that in May these same players are capable of romping home with the league. All that's changed in the intervening period (aside from a £65m investment) is the manager.

Do you think the players decide among themselves that the only outlay of attack should be through the wide areas? Do you think they decide among themselves how to line up, how to defend set pieces, who plays and who doesn't?

To say Moyes is exonerated because RVP "missed from a few yards out" or whatever, is nonsense. You may blame individual player mistakes for points dropped/missed here and there but that'll always be the case with most players at any club at one time or another. We have consistently struggled against far inferior teams and put in limp, tactically naive performances and the manager takes full blame for that.

If the team isn't winning, if the team is playing poorly and if the team looks tactically one dimensional then there's only one man to blame. It isn't because RVP missed a sitter or De Gea fumbled or Vidic gave the ball away once or twice. Individual player errors don't explain 7 months of dross. Nor is it likely that sudden the same side (give or take) that hasn't been bettered on points in the league for the last three seasons is suddenly crap.

 

[Drummer]

Considering he hasn't learnt anything to date, is blaming this season on luck then I'd say yes, he's seems to be stuck in his ways.

He hasn't learned anything to date, you judge that on what exactly ? Are you seeing something that the board isn't?

How long do we give him? 1,2,3,4 years? How much money do we give him 100-200-300 million?

8 months is what hes had ? Why do you worry about this given there are a board with SAF and multi billion owner entrepeneurs more qualified to make this decision? Do you think the Glazers are going to give Moyes 200million to spend if they aren't seeing something outside of team performances that suggest he can turn things around?

There are many reasons yes, but he is the man that decides the tactics, training, buying and selling. He is supposed to be the man that gets the best out of the team, build confidence, and most importantly win games. He's failed in nearly every aspect of the job.

Again, you think hes failed in nearly every aspect of the job, but you think he will be kept on by the management because they don't have the insight into the game that you have ?

 

[Plugsy]

He hasn't learned anything to date, you judge that on what exactly ? Are you seeing something that the board isn't?

None of us have a clue what the board knows or feels so stop inventing a reality that their position is the same as yours. He hasn't learned because even now, at the end of February, we're still putting in the same weak, naive, ineffective performances we were at the beginning of the season. Then and now all he could claim was that we were "unlucky" not "well maybe overuse of wide players needs addressing" not anything that acknowledges tactical error.

We are so over-reliant on wide players it isn't funny any more. Each week we see the same dross and the next week the line-up may be altered slightly but the tactics are identical. I don't get what's not to understand about the claim that he doesn't learn from his mistakes when we're seven months into the season and despite the intervening period being cack, we still play pretty much identical to how we did back then.

What would you call it if not someone not learning from their mistakes?

 

[Drummer]

The problem is that in May these same players are capable of romping home with the league. All that's changed in the intervening period (aside from a £65m investment) is the manager.

Do you think the players decide among themselves that the only outlay of attack should be through the wide areas? Do you think they decide among themselves how to line up, how to defend set pieces, who plays and who doesn't?

To say Moyes is exonerated because RVP "missed from a few yards out" or whatever, is nonsense. You may blame individual player mistakes for points dropped/missed here and there but that'll always be the case with most players at any club at one time or another. We have consistently struggled against far inferior teams and put in limp, tactically naive performances and the manager takes full blame for that.

If the team isn't winning, if the team is playing poorly and if the team looks tactically one dimensional then there's only one man to blame. It isn't because RVP missed a sitter or De Gea fumbled or Vidic gave the ball away once or twice. Individual player errors don't explain 7 months of dross. Nor is it likely that sudden the same side (give or take) that hasn't been bettered on points in the league for the last three seasons is suddenly crap.

People keep talking about tactics with no specific insight into exactly what they mean. Tactics in what way are they an issue, please elaborate?

As I said, it doesn't matter what tactics you try if the players are not good enough to implement them. Can you imagine Pep trying to play his brand of football with this squad of players? Not a f**king chance, no matter how good a coach he is.

incidentally, I never exonerated Moyes because of RVPs miss, I am saying you cant blame a manager for these kind of lapses or even DDGs howler.

 

[Drummer]

None of us have a clue what the board knows or feels so stop inventing a reality that their position is the same as yours. He hasn't learned because even now, at the end of February, we're still putting in the same weak, naive, ineffective performances we were at the beginning of the season. Then and now all he could claim was that we were "unlucky" not "well maybe overuse of wide players needs addressing" not anything that acknowledges tactical error.

We are so over-reliant on wide players it isn't funny any more. Each week we see the same dross and the next week the line-up may be altered slightly but the tactics are identical. I don't get what's not to understand about the claim that he doesn't learn from his mistakes when we're seven months into the season and despite the intervening period being cack, we still play pretty much identical to how we did back then.

What would you call it if not someone not learning from their mistakes?

I am not inventing anything, you still haven't answered the question. What are you seeing in United/Moyes that the board aren't or better still, why do you feel the board are not seeing what so many Moyes out fans think is so abundantly obvious?

 

[Woodzy]

One thing that really makes me panic is that right now, Young and Valencia are much more likely to be at the club next season than the likes of RVP, Hernandez, Kagawa.

We can't even be sure we will still have Rafael and Evra, and Welbeck seems to have fallen out of favour since RVP came back, which could obviously signify doubts over him.

Obviously it's just speculation, but the point is that Young and Valencia are probably safer than most right now.

 

[MDFC Manager]

The sheer incompetence of the Glazer's is utterly astounding. I hope they know more about money than do they about football.

I don't recall those Lennon lyrics, tbh.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Do you think that what we have seen from Moyes is the best he has to offer?

Do you think that Moyes is incapable of improving or learning from his first years experience?

I personally don't think we have seen what Moyes is capable to date in many ways the gravity of the job has stifled any qualities he has as a manager. So they question that people should be asking is can he find his feet?

As far I am concerned, the players performances have made this whole tactics discussion pointless. Whats the point in discussing tactics if players cant make 10 yard passes and the likes of RVP cant finish from 10 yards out? You can play whatever tactics you like but if players are not performing then you cant really say its the tactics that are causing the issues.

I don't know if Moyes will ever pull things together, but I think he has done himself a disservice because I personally think he is far far better manager then what we have seen. Some of it is down to the destabilizing of SAF departure, some of it is because some players are not performing and some players are clearly unsettled. I think it would be impossible to imagine that Moyes confidence hasn't been shaken, but again, I wonder if he can compose himself and most importantly start asserting himself publically and in the dressingroom, what he can achieve.

The fans calling Moyes useless or a crap manager haven't a clue to be honest . .

This is beyond odd.

 

[devilish]

Do you think that what we have seen from Moyes is the best he has to offer?

Do you think that Moyes is incapable of improving or learning from his first years experience?

I personally don't think we have seen what Moyes is capable to date in many ways the gravity of the job has stifled any qualities he has as a manager. So they question that people should be asking is can he find his feet?

As far I am concerned, the players performances have made this whole tactics discussion pointless. Whats the point in discussing tactics if players cant make 10 yard passes and the likes of RVP cant finish from 10 yards out? You can play whatever tactics you like but if players are not performing then you cant really say its the tactics that are causing the issues.

I don't know if Moyes will ever pull things together, but I think he has done himself a disservice because I personally think he is far far better manager then what we have seen. Some of it is down to the destabilizing of SAF departure, some of it is because some players are not performing and some players are clearly unsettled. I think it would be impossible to imagine that Moyes confidence hasn't been shaken, but again, I wonder if he can compose himself and most importantly start asserting himself publically and in the dressingroom, what he can achieve.

The fans calling Moyes useless or a crap manager haven't a clue to be honest . .

I've made it pretty clear what I think

a) Moyes is an EPL mid table type of manager. He did nothing at Everton or elsewhere (honours, tactics, man management) to suggest that he's a Manchester United type of manager.
b) A substantial number of players wants him out and are working full time to achieve that.

Ultimately a manager needs to work with the team he's got and if he loses the dressing room then he's on the way out irrespective if he's Kinnear, Moyes, SAF or Jesus. No club can afford to replace a 200m+ worth of talent.

A manager may isolate 1-2 players and show them the door before they infect the others (that's how SAF worked through the years) but once he lost the dressing room he's in big big trouble. No wonder why even the great SAF himself had 'mellowed' through the years.

 

[Getsme]

He hasn't learned anything to date, you judge that on what exactly ? Are you seeing something that the board isn't

Judged on what?
How about our predictable football, persisting with players who aren't up for the job, persisting with 442, Smalling at RB to name but a few. Tell me, what has he learnt? What has he changed for the better?
How do you know the board aren't secretly looking for a replacement?

8 months is what hes had ? Why do you worry about this given there are a board with SAF and multi billion owner entrepeneurs more qualified to make this decision? Do you think the Glazers are going to give Moyes 200million to spend if they aren't seeing something outside of team performances that suggest he can turn things around

How about you answer the question? How long and how much?

Again, you think hes failed in nearly every aspect of the job, but you think he will be kept on by the management because they don't have the insight into the game that you have ?

Are you for real you seem to know what the boards thinking going by your posts.
I'm judging him on what I can see, again tell me, what has he done well this season?

How about you start answering some questions instead of deflecting them with another question.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

People keep talking about tactics with no specific insight into exactly what they mean. Tactics in what way are they an issue, please elaborate?

As I said, it doesn't matter what tactics you try if the players are not good enough to implement them.

They were good enough last season. What has changed?

 

[NessunDorma]

I like stats. In context.

It's drawing shit on photos and videos that bothers me.

Each to their own, obviously. Just don't get precious if people criticise stuff you post. If that bothers anyone they probably shouldn't post stuff on a message board.

I thought I was the only who watched that Kagawa video and thought 'Wait, what?'. It's simply a montage of him making some fairly routine runs into space, and then not receiving the ball. You could make a similar looking video ft. pretty much any other midfielder on the pitch.

But the more vociferous Moyes haters and Kagawa lovers have convinced themselves that it shows a misunderstand genius being cruelly overlooked by his team mates because of evil Moyes' caveman tactics, rather than some fairly unremarkable passages of midfield play.

Never mind that evil caveman Moyes just paid £42m for Juan Mata, a technically excellent, pass and move footballer if ever there was one. Or that he was desperate to sign Cesc Fabregas. He must just simply hate anyone who isn't from the Mick Harford/Lee Cattermole school of player, and that's why he's wasting the mercurial talents of this God among men.

(I don't mean this to sound disparaging of Kagawa, who I think should be given a run in the side. But i'm sorry, that video is just clutching at straws, and an example of people jumping on absolutely anything to try and beat Moyes with)

 

[bishblaize]

People keep talking about tactics with no specific insight into exactly what they mean. Tactics in what way are they an issue, please elaborate?

As I said, it doesn't matter what tactics you try if the players are not good enough to implement them. Can you imagine Pep trying to play his brand of football with this squad of players? Not a f**king chance, no matter how good a coach he is.

incidentally, I never exonerated Moyes because of RVPs miss, I am saying you cant blame a manager for these kind of lapses or even DDGs howler.

Here's a post I made about Moyes' tactics the other night.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/moyes-so-far.373984/page-586#post-15176422

The tl;dr is that tactics and personnel have to marry up. Moyes can only use the players available to him, but the tactics he chooses are destined to fail given players he has. Its his inflexibility and/or lack of awareness that is so worrying.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Its a mute point, but say Moyes got the flu or something. I'd love to see the difference in performance if Fergie took charge for just one game.

He wouldn't though, Steve Round probably would.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Here's a post I made about Moyes' tactics the other night.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/moyes-so-far.373984/page-586#post-15176422

The tl;dr is that tactics and personnel have to marry up. Moyes can only use the players available to him, but the tactics he chooses are destined to fail given players he has. Its his inflexibility and/or lack of awareness that is so worrying.

That is a good point, use tactics that suit these players, not force tactics on them. Then if he wants to play a certain way, buy players that fit it. He might not get that chance.

 

[FineYoungCasual]

One thing that really makes me panic is that right now, Young and Valencia are much more likely to be at the club next season than the likes of RVP, Hernandez, Kagawa.

Obviously it's just speculation, but the point is that Young and Valencia are probably safer than most right now.

I agree. And the point bolded is absolute madness.

It's as if the shock of how bad the season has been has left us a little dazed as a fanbase and we're just letting stuff happen that really shouldn't be allowed to happen!

RvP, Kagawa, Hernandez likely to leave - Young and Valencia almost nailed on to stay...AND PLAY.

Get him out. FFS, whatever it takes, get him out!

 

[Woodzy]

I thought I was the only who watched that Kagawa video and thought 'Wait, what?'. It's simply a montage of him making some fairly routine runs into space, and then not receiving the ball. You could make a similar looking video ft. pretty much any other midfielder on the pitch.

But the more vociferous Moyes haters and Kagawa lovers have convinced themselves that it shows a misunderstand genius being cruelly overlooked by his team mates because of evil Moyes' caveman tactics, rather than some fairly unremarkable passages of midfield play.

Never mind that evil caveman Moyes just paid £42m for Juan Mata, a technically excellent, pass and move footballer if ever there was one. Or that he was desperate to sign Cesc Fabregas. He must just simply hate anyone who isn't from the Mick Harford/Lee Cattermole school of player, and that's why he's wasting the mercurial talents of this God among men.

(I don't mean this to sound disparaging of Kagawa, who I think should be given a run in the side. But i'm sorry, that video is just clutching at straws, and an example of people jumping on absolutely anything to try and beat Moyes with)

The video showed a creative, technical player available in space to receive relatively simple passes time and time again, but instead we opted to send the ball long or out wide, only to waste possession.

The truth is, 60 minutes into the game we failed to make anything happen yet we continued to try and build our attacks the same way. Kagawa was instructed by Moyes to get on the ball as much as possible and make things happen... A fairly simple instruction that could well work providing he instructs his team to do things differently. We continued to play the same shite football for the remainder of the game.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I thought I was the only who watched that Kagawa video and thought 'Wait, what?'. It's simply a montage of him making some fairly routine runs into space, and then not receiving the ball. You could make a similar looking video ft. pretty much any other midfielder on the pitch.

But the more vociferous Moyes haters and Kagawa lovers have convinced themselves that it shows a misunderstand genius being cruelly overlooked by his team mates because of evil Moyes' caveman tactics, rather than some fairly unremarkable passages of midfield play.

Never mind that evil caveman Moyes just paid £42m for Juan Mata, a technically excellent, pass and move footballer if ever there was one. Or that he was desperate to sign Cesc Fabregas. He must just simply hate anyone who isn't from the Mick Harford/Lee Cattermole school of player, and that's why he's wasting the mercurial talents of this God among men.

(I don't mean this to sound disparaging of Kagawa, who I think should be given a run in the side. But i'm sorry, that video is just clutching at straws, and an example of people jumping on absolutely anything to try and beat Moyes with)

Exactly.

Plus there's this idea that pausing a video and sticking a massive fecking graphic of an arrow on it means a pass is obvious when, in the cut and thrust, of an actual game it may be anything of the sort. Plus you had Kagawa saying that Moyes sent him on with instructions to "get on the ball", so I seriously doubt the other players were opting to bypass Kagawa because of instructions they received from the manager.

Anyway, I've already made my thoughts clear on that. For me, the really big problem is that we're playing with fear. Unable or willing to take a chance and try something a bit more progressive. That's what makes talented footballers play percentage football and hoof it long when a riskier pass to feet might get better results. The bottom line is that Moyes has to take at least some of the blame for this horrific loss of self-belief, even if what we're seeing on the pitch might not be a direct reflection of his tactics.

 

[Kaos]

Our share price over the last 3 months:

Spoiler

Glazers should surely be worried....surely?

 

[Drummer]

Here's a post I made about Moyes' tactics the other night.

https://www.redcafe.net/threads/moyes-so-far.373984/page-586#post-15176422

The tl;dr is that tactics and personnel have to marry up. Moyes can only use the players available to him, but the tactics he chooses are destined to fail given players he has. Its his inflexibility and/or lack of awareness that is so worrying.

Good post and read your tactics, but how much is player confidence effecting the ability to implement any tactics.

I think the major question comes down to whether or not you think Moyes can be successful if he gets the personnel in to play the way he prefers and whether or not Moyes can grow into a great manager.

SAF thought he had the credentials and while its not been a great start by any stretch of the imagination, I choose to trust the board (which SAF has a major voice) to keep or dispose of Moyes when they feel he will not succeed. Until they decide otherwise I will continue to support the manager because I know they are more informed then the vast majority of United fans . .

 

[Lance Uppercut]

If Moyes had any kind of track record of success he would be given a lot more leeway from the fans. Unfortunately, he doesn't.

 

[marjen]

Anyway, I've already made my thoughts clear on that. For me, the really big problem is that we're playing with fear. Unable or willing to take a chance and try something a bit more progressive. That's what makes talented footballers play percentage football and hoof it long when a riskier pass to feet might get better results. The bottom line is that Moyes has to take at least some of the blame for this horrific loss of self-belief, even if what we're seeing on the pitch might not be a direct reflection of his tactics.

If there's one word I'd choose to summarize the Moyes-era thus far, it's the one you're using early on there: Fear.

Fear of trying the difficult things on the pitch from the players, sure.
Fear of losing, sure.

But where does that come from? Have you seen David Moyes this season? His talks with the press, always getting his excuses in, his negative tactics, his lack of willingness to kill of games - everything he does seems to be motivated by fear. He's not a winner, he's afraid. That's where all our problems come from IMO.

And to be fair, who can blame the man? He's walking into the biggest job in world football having shown none of the credentials needed for it, besides being hard-working, a mate of SAF and being willing to stay in a job for a long time. No wonder he's afraid.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Do any of you see our football improving next season? I can see slight improvement with better midfielders signed, but I don't foresee any significant improvement in the football under Moyes.

 

[Drummer]

If Moyes had any kind of track record of success he would be given a lot more leeway from the fans. Unfortunately, he doesn't.

So fans wont want Simeone then . .

Also, given Anchelloti and Jose are not available, who will the fans want that is available?

 

[KiD MoYeS]

So fans wont want Klopp or Simeone then . .

Also, given Anchelloti and Jose are not available, who will the fans want that is available?

Conte could probably be attainable. Not sure how good his English is though.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

If there's one word I'd choose to summarize the Moyes-era thus far, it's the one you're using early on there: Fear.

Fear of trying the difficult things on the pitch from the players, sure.
Fear of losing, sure.

But where does that come from? Have you seen David Moyes this season? His talks with the press, always getting his excuses in, his negative tactics, his lack of willingness to kill of games - everything he does seems to be motivated by fear. He's not a winner, he's afraid. That's where all our problems come from IMO.

And to be fair, who can blame the man? He's walking into the biggest job in world football having shown none of the credentials needed for it, besides being hard-working, a mate of SAF and being willing to stay in a job for a long time. No wonder he's afraid.

Yup. He's afraid. The players are afraid. The results get worse. The performances get more inhibited. It's a vicious cycle.

It is possible we could snap ourselves out of it, without sacking the manager though. Not guaranteed but possible.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

So fans wont want Klopp or Simeone then . .

Also, given Anchelloti and Jose are not available, who will the fans want that is available?

All the managers in the world and you can name two who have had more success than Moyes? Really?

 

[NessunDorma]

The video showed a creative, technical player available in space to receive relatively simple passes time and time again, but instead we opted to send the ball long or out wide, only to waste possession.

It doesn't show the passes he did receive. It doesn't try to explain why, on those occasions when he didn't receive the ball, passing to Kagawa was necessarily the best option. It can't even begin to analyze what Kagawa might have done if he had got the ball, and whether it would have been better than what subsequently happened (given his form for the club to date, i'm not sure it would have been). It's just assumed that something good would've happened.

It basically is just a string of decontextualized camera shots of Kagawa moving into space, and doesn't tell us a great deal beyond the fact that there were some occasions when a pass to Kagawa may or may not have been on, but didn't happen. And as I said, you could make a similar looking video of any other midfielder on the pitch.

And it does seem to me that the longer Kagawa goes without playing particular well, the more ridiculous the lengths some of his fans will go to in an attempt to 'prove' how good he is, and how his generally below par performances are all someone elses fault.

Again, I say this as someone who thinks Kagawa should get a good run in the side, and who's been putting him in our 'On Paper' best XIs all season.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Yup. He's afraid. The players are afraid. The results get worse. The performances get more inhibited. It's a vicious cycle.

It is possible we could snap ourselves out of it, without sacking the manager though. Not guaranteed but possible.

It's possible, but it is becoming increasingly more difficult with every passing week.

 

[Danny1982]

Our share price over the last 3 months:

Spoiler

Glazers should surely be worried....surely?

Is that rise in the end because of the circulating news that Moyes might be sacked?

 

[Drummer]

All the managers in the world and you can name two who have had more success than Moyes? Really?

Suppose it depends on what level of success you think is enough for this role. Winning Serie A or the portugeuse league . .

I was only asking who would be an acceptable manager choice of the fans, available and willing to join the club, who they would give time, even if things got worse for awhile.

 

[bosnian_red]

What manager is available now to replace moyes?

People are so he'll bent on moyes being sacked now they haven't even considered who to replace him and who would actually leave their club now to join united!

Hiddink is available, like bielsa, and there are loads of other managers who would jump at the chance to come to united. Pretty much the only managers who would leave their clubs are the ones who are at the other elite clubs around the world.
Anyways, we'd be better off with just a caretaker manager until the summer then moyes at this stage.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Suppose it depends on what level of success you think is enough for this role. Winning Serie A or the portugeuse league . .

I was only asking who would be an acceptable manager choice of the fans, available and willing to join the club, who they would give time, even if things got worse for awhile.

How about Van Gaal? Available, and has stated he wants to manage in the Premier League.

 

[Drummer]

Is that rise in the end because of the circulating news that Moyes might be sacked?

Not necessarily, could be that he wasn't going to be sacked.

There is a big assumption by fans that sacking Moyes equates to things automatically being better at the club. It creates even more instability and begs more questions on whether or not the board will be able to find a suitable successor. Keeping Moyes could be interpreted as a level headed decision for a board that will not be swayed by populist panic.

Maybe time will prove the board wrong and fans don't have to like it, but they are showing courage to match their convictions thus far.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

How about Van Gaal? Available, and has stated he wants to manage in the Premier League.

Would be a very good short term appointment in my opinion. He'd get us playing decent ball and we'd certainly be further up the table.

 

[Danny1982]

Not necessarily, could be that he wasn't going to be sacked.

There is a big assumption by fans that sacking Moyes equates to things automatically being better at the club. It creates even more instability and begs more questions on whether or not the board will be able to find a successor. Keeping Moyes could be interpreted as a level headed decision for a board that will not be swayed by populist panic.

You're getting funnier by the minute.

 

[Jaap]

Would be a very good short term appointment in my opinion. He'd get us playing decent ball and we'd certainly be further up the table.

Why?

 

[Drummer]

You're getting funnier by the minute.

Actually I work in financial services industry and am speaking purely from a professional speculative perspective.

 

[Sarni]

I agree. And the point bolded is absolute madness.

It's as if the shock of how bad the season has been has left us a little dazed as a fanbase and we're just letting stuff happen that really shouldn't be allowed to happen!

RvP, Kagawa, Hernandez likely to leave - Young and Valencia almost nailed on to stay...AND PLAY.

Get him out. FFS, whatever it takes, get him out!

Van Persie, Hernandez and Kagawa can feck off if they don't want to wear the shirt with pride. They are absolute cnuts for how they have let Moyes down this season. All of them. I hate all our players currently the way they've behaved. Despise them.

 

[KiD MoYeS]

Why?

I answered your question in the post. He'd improve our football significantly and have us further up the table. I'm not sure we'd be massively successful under him, but the Premier League has changed. There's no manager out there that will guarantee constant success, not even Mourinho.