Moyes has to go

[FineYoungCasual]

Someone posted it in the Kagawa thread.

Blimey, that is depressing. Especially when you watch that video of the space he kept finding.

"Keep on trudging" - this could be the slogan for the 'Moyes era'. Kinda like when Fergie tried to get that 'Believe' meme rolling back when we used to compete for trophies and stuff...

We're 2-0 down at home against Newcastle and some young lad looks worriedly up at his Dad -

"How will we manage to get our draw today, Dad? What if we miss out on 6th this season...?"

His Dad kindly smiles down at him...

"Cmon son, this is Man Utd. Keep on trudging!"

 

[Twisted_Woody]

A committee? Although as you say the standing of Woodward and SAF would be diminished somewaht by association.

It might not hurt to have Giggs involved in some fashion, his firsthand knowledge of two separate regimes could bring with it some valuable insights and the lessons to be learned. Though a player coach and on the staff the overriding allegiance is to the club rather than Moyes.

I would love to hear Giggs' true thoughts on Moyes training regime and general ability to manage.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Someone posted it in the Kagawa thread.

"I thought we needed to build some rhythm. We have a lot of goal scoring finishers, but we hadn't been able to build up to a goal scoring opportunity. So I went in thinking I'd like to win back our rhythm, but it was harder than I imagined. The manager just told me to go out and get on the ball. And I was confident I could create opportunities if I could just get on the ball, but the ball wouldn't come my way, as we resorted to many long balls. There were so many more situations where I was available to receive the ball, but... Well, it's done and over, so what can I say.

I thought I might get an outing today. It's vexing that I couldn't contribute results, but I have to carry on day by day. My given situation isn't going to dramatically change, so I'll just keep plugging away. Whatever the situation, you've got to keep on trudging. I'm not taking it negatively. I get more freedom in the CL anyway(as opposed to league), and my abilities are more useful (in the CL). We still have the return leg. I've got a good 'image' in my mind of what we need to do to win the return leg, and we definitely have a shot at turning this around at home, so I'll prepare for that."

Shinji is just speaking honestly yet those comments are damning of Moyes nonetheless. Sad though when you think of his personal situation now, an intelligent footballer who has been downright wasted this season.

But hey, its all the fault of the players don't you know?

 

[Shinjisan]

It could be a permanent decline if Moyes is in the job for 6 years.

You are a far better poster than that, mate. Don't fall into this trap of perpetual negativity. You know, I know and the dog on the street knows that Moyes is not going to be here for 6 years if things don't improve.

It was different for a team like Liverpool, who were once a power in world football but had established themselves firmly in the mid table over the last few years. Heck, even then they were able to attract Suarez from Ajax, a champions league club. A player joined Fulham from a CL club in the middle of the season for God's sake. I admit that it might be difficult to attract a Toni Kroos from Bayern to a United team not in the CL, well it would have been a tall order anyways, but there are other good players playing for teams no where near the stature and the financial prowess of Manchester United. City, Chelsea, PSG, Monaco and others were able to attract darn good players by throwing a little money around and selling their "project", you think United won't be able to do that? It is nothing more than an urban myth, used by the doom mongers to feel more miserable and the opposition fan to WUM on here and get giddy.

 

[Sky1981]

You are a far better poster than that, mate. Don't fall into this trap of perpetual negativity. You know, I know and the dog on the street knows that Moyes is not going to be here for 6 years if things don't improve.

It was different for a team like Liverpool, who were once a power in world football but had established themselves firmly in the mid table over the last few years. Heck, even then they were able to attract Suarez from Ajax, a champions league club. A player joined Fulham from a CL club in the middle of the season for God's sake. I admit that it might be difficult to attract a Toni Kroos from Bayern to a United team not in the CL, well it would have been a tall order anyways, but there are other good players playing for teams no where near the stature and the financial prowess of Manchester United. City, Chelsea, PSG, Monaco and others were able to attract darn good players by throwing a little money around and selling their "project", you think United won't be able to do that? It is nothing more than an urban myth, used by the doom mongers to feel more miserable and the opposition fan to WUM on here and get giddy.

While you might be true, why in the world we have to be in that position in the first place when we can simply sack him now and prevent (or at least try and prevent) that vision from happening?

What do we owe Moyes to persist with all this? If any he owes us big time for giving him the opportunity of a lifetime, something he hasn't deserve based on what he's done so far

An Eerie similarity can be drawn comparing Moyes' tenure to Sounnes in the 80s, if not much worse.

 

[Edgar Allan Pillow]

It's not the loss on the field that pisses me off, but the loss of all discipline in the team that scares me more.

The whole concept of players going to media with indirect criticisms is unthinkable under Fergie and should never happen under any top manager. The fact that this is happening and Moyes is doing nothing shows he will not be able to manage a high profile team.

I was on the fence willing to give him 2 seasons to get sorted, but now I'm leaning towards getting him out.

No point getting rid now. So he still has till season end to find redemption somehow.

 

[devilish]

What you have to laugh at is certain fans not actually understanding that just because they think Moyes is an obvious flop that not everybody agrees with them.

That it must be some conspiracy to protect Moyes. SAF and the club obviously just don't want to look stupid by sacking Moyes this early so they will keep him until they don't look quite so silly . .

Yes, that's it . . There is absolutely no chance that fans simply don't have any knowledge on what is required to run a club, manage a squad or when exactly it is worth persisting with a manager under these kind of circumstances. Its all one big conspiracy to fool the angry United fans who know better . .

He is talking about the media who have (or at least should have) no agenda in defending the club or showing any bias.

I agree that Moyes is being protected by the media. He's the only British manager leading a top EPL side. British talent as a whole is protected by the British media.

 

[bosnian_red]

It's not the loss on the field that pisses me off, but the loss of all discipline in the team that scares me more.

The whole concept of players going to media with indirect criticisms is unthinkable under Fergie and should never happen under any top manager. The fact that this is happening and Moyes is doing nothing shows he will not be able to manage a high profile team.

I was on the fence willing to give him 2 seasons to get sorted, but now I'm leaning towards getting him out.

No point getting rid now. So he still has till season end to find redemption somehow.

On your last point... Getting rid of him now could actually prove beneficial compared to seasons end. There's time for the new manager to get a feel of the squad (even though everybody and their dog knows what we lack), and he has time to change the minds of our talented players that moyes has isolated and looks like he'll end up getting rid of (nani, kagawa). Waiting until the end of the season and it'll be very difficult for anyone to convince those players they have a key role to play and things will be better.

I'm of the opinion right now that moyes' presence alone is having a negative impact on the team currently, and we'd be better without a manager. It's hard to imagine us being worse in any way really.

 

[kouroux]

Given the situation, I really though it would be open season on Moyes by journalists who directly interview him. I wonder why have they never asked really tough and cnutish questions like " Do you think you're up to running Man Utd ?". I am happy that he has been largely "spared", it would hurt him and the club too much.

 

[devilish]

On your last point... Getting rid of him now could actually prove beneficial compared to seasons end. There's time for the new manager to get a feel of the squad (even though everybody and their dog knows what we lack), and he has time to change the minds of our talented players that moyes has isolated and looks like he'll end up getting rid of (nani, kagawa). Waiting until the end of the season and it'll be very difficult for anyone to convince those players they have a key role to play and things will be better.

I'm of the opinion right now that moyes' presence alone is having a negative impact on the team currently, and we'd be better without a manager. It's hard to imagine us being worse in any way really.

The problem is that you wont find a quality manager at this delicate stage of season. Sacking Moyes during the summer would also mean that the players now know that they can backstab the manager and get away with it.

We shouldnt have signed Moyes on the first place. It was evident that he wasn't good enough for a club like ours.

 

[devilish]

Given the situation, I really though it would be open season on Moyes by journalists who directly interview him. I wonder why have they never asked really tough and cnutish questions like " Do you think you're up to running Man Utd ?". I am happy that he has been largely "spared", it would hurt him and the club too much.

The British media is mainly seen/read by British people who just love to see one of their own leading a top EPL side. That's the reason why he was spared. Not to forget that any news about United tend to attract attention. After over 20 years of dominance, the demise of the great giant is well appreciated by the ABUs and neutrals.

 

[The Man Himself]

You are a far better poster than that, mate. Don't fall into this trap of perpetual negativity. You know, I know and the dog on the street knows that Moyes is not going to be here for 6 years if things don't improve.

It was different for a team like Liverpool, who were once a power in world football but had established themselves firmly in the mid table over the last few years. Heck, even then they were able to attract Suarez from Ajax, a champions league club. A player joined Fulham from a CL club in the middle of the season for God's sake. I admit that it might be difficult to attract a Toni Kroos from Bayern to a United team not in the CL, well it would have been a tall order anyways, but there are other good players playing for teams no where near the stature and the financial prowess of Manchester United. City, Chelsea, PSG, Monaco and others were able to attract darn good players by throwing a little money around and selling their "project", you think United won't be able to do that? It is nothing more than an urban myth, used by the doom mongers to feel more miserable and the opposition fan to WUM on here and get giddy.

Bang on about your second para. I have repeatedly said same thing here or in discussion with United fans elsewhere that the game has moved a long way from the time when Liverpool from dominant force went into decline suddenly and that difference is money and commercial income so it is difficult for a club of our size to suddenly go into oblivion based on 1 season. We are among the top 3 most followed and most recognized clubs in the world and club can 'afford' to spend way out of this trouble. Nothing wrong in it as well, as we have 'earned' that wealth with 2 decades of sustained dominance.

Only question is, will Moyes be able to handle a team with highly paid stars? We will have next season to test it. I am confident that he will improve us considerably next season and guide us in top 4 at least. From there on, club management can take call if he is right man to lead us to trophies or they need to hand over the team which has retained/hired good players to a more high profile manager. Therefore, it is important we retain all our good players and add quality players on whom we can bank for long term.

 

[.Rossi]

You could apply that to most teams in fairness. Why didn't we sign Eriksen? Why did Chelsea sell Sturridge? Why didn't we loan in Lukaku? Why didn't we go for McCarthy? You get the point...

What....Is the meaning of this?!?!?!

How dare you disagree with my fantastic post!!

Explanation please!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[MoBeats]

I think you're right.
The negativity surrounding the club is astounding. The players all look dejected, and if they've started to come out and have little digs about the tactics and such as has been suggested, then they're lost. I almost can't believe Rooney signed that contract, I don't think I would have, he must have been told something fecking wonderful.
I liked Moyes at Everton, nice guy, wound up some of the big clubs, always came across well. But he's not been able to make the step up.

 

[.Rossi]

I think you're right.
The negativity surrounding the club is astounding. The players all look dejected, and if they've started to come out and have little digs about the tactics and such as has been suggested, then they're lost. I almost can't believe Rooney signed that contract, I don't think I would have, he must have been told something fecking wonderful.
I liked Moyes at Everton, nice guy, wound up some of the big clubs, always came across well. But he's not been able to make the step up.

Big difference

Not to compare, Fergie royally stitched Rooney up for the 2010 incident and it was all set for Wayne to be seen as the bad guy when he walked away...

Moyes and Eddie just bent over for him....Sorry, but there is no two ways about it. A club ambassador? On the same money as Ronaldo and Messi? (Granted before tax)....It's just madness. It really is

 

[devilish]

I think you're right.
The negativity surrounding the club is astounding. The players all look dejected, and if they've started to come out and have little digs about the tactics and such as has been suggested, then they're lost. I almost can't believe Rooney signed that contract, I don't think I would have, he must have been told something fecking wonderful.
I liked Moyes at Everton, nice guy, wound up some of the big clubs, always came across well. But he's not been able to make the step up.

Why would he move? Hes been given an outrageous salary and hes settled in Manchester were the manager literally eats from his hands. He wouldnt have had that kind of luxury elsewhere

 

[Anderson's Cat]

Its a mute point, but say Moyes got the flu or something. I'd love to see the difference in performance if Fergie took charge for just one game.

 

[Anderson's Cat]

Sums it up for me

One statistic screamed from the 2-0 disgrace against Olympiakos. It was that United had produced one shot on goal. Translation: the United players didn't try a leg, certainly not a meaningful one guaranteed to disrupt the commendably committed but hardly devastating Greek team.

For the United hierarchy, it left a critical question which would have been answered, we can be sure, in only one way by such serious rivals as Real Madrid, Chelsea and, in their more stately manner, reigning European champions Bayern Munich.

All three of these football behemoths have made their statements about the kind of managers they would countenance at the first hint of failed momentum.

All three jobs went to Champions League winners – respectively, Carlo Ancelotti, Jose Mourinho and, the supreme example of seeking the best available leader for a team already favourites to win club football's greatest title, Pep Guardiola.

Instead of such certainties, United invested in Moyes' commendable but trophy-less track record. Essentially, they entrusted Ferguson to pass on the baton. So far, the only beneficiary is Ferguson's own reputation.

He won the title by a massive margin with a squad widely believed to be sub-par. Moyes is adrift of the minimum achievement of European qualification. Rightly or wrongly, football's big beasts would not have been prepared to live with such vertiginous decline.

 

[Sky1981]

Its a mute point, but say Moyes got the flu or something. I'd love to see the difference in performance if Fergie took charge for just one game.

We'd be playing with you (because SAF would have murdered every single one of them, or at least giving them a coma or something)

 

[RedThaiDevils#7]

The only problem with Moyes is that he failed to address the "FEAR" for having lost the best manager in the world.

1. Moyes never had shown any authenticity about the matches, he always had this had that to blame and he never truthfully blamed who or showed what he wanted, it was always I know we are better than this but never took responsibility of making the team to what he expected.

Once Moyes lost his respect, the faith of the players were lost as well, then if you noticed most of the match interviews it was always about blaming this or that but he hardly ever accepted the "Truth " of the situation that he lost 2/3 winnable points.

2. Moyes never showed that he had a goal of taking over of how he wanted the team to play nor did he show any kind of urgency about how he wanted the team to play, it was always the same, ok the players do this, ok the players created chances, ok they didn't win, i know we are better... But he never addressed how the team should play, ok it will be built around Rooney blah blah, but still the players are so static in his era its like watching Hodgsons Liverpool at time.

So mainly for me, Moyes lacked Moyes, he was never himself, he wasn't truthful to himself at the start and didn't believed that he could create a team that was better than SAF's, he just created his own barrier and never accepted the truth or the reality of what is happening... And that is what is hurting us fans because we know he can do better, waaaaaay better than 6-7th place with the players he has even if we now that we have room for improve with this aging defense and crippled midfield.

So if Moyes can't handle the truth and actually starts showing any sign of responsibility either in/off the pitch... urgency or what ever it has to take to turn things around... I can't see how I can support an inauthentic manager who has no clue or belief in himself.

I'm optimistic despite a bad season, there's still a chance to pull this around however its up to Moyes to step up, if not then he should step down and we'd applaud him of trying his best and being responsible for this season.

Hopefully next season we are more prepared, formation wise, player/transfer wise and mentality wise.

 

[Sky1981]

Moyes with all the luxury of no pressure, 10 years at the helm, stability at Everton, being a small boss in Everton (albeit in a small pond) and stuff can only managed 1 season of barely attacking football.

Imagine all that in Manchester United where he'll have to start from scrap at the basic again, It's no wonder we are where we are.

It's seems that we are neglecting every aspect of a good manager (charisma, man management, tactics, vision, mission, ego, etc) only to emphasise on 2 distinctly trivial traits that is simply an additional bonus (being scottish, and propensity to stay for long for being shit)

 

[Sky1981]

The only problem with Moyes is that he failed to address the "FEAR" for having lost the best manager in the world.

1. Moyes never had shown any authenticity about the matches, he always had this had that to blame and he never truthfully blamed who or showed what he wanted, it was always I know we are better than this but never took responsibility of making the team to what he expected.

Once Moyes lost his respect, the faith of the players were lost as well, then if you noticed most of the match interviews it was always about blaming this or that but he hardly ever accepted the "Truth " of the situation that he lost 2/3 winnable points.

2. Moyes never showed that he had a goal of taking over of how he wanted the team to play nor did he show any kind of urgency about how he wanted the team to play, it was always the same, ok the players do this, ok the players created chances, ok they didn't win, i know we are better... But he never addressed how the team should play, ok it will be built around Rooney blah blah, but still the players are so static in his era its like watching Hodgsons Liverpool at time.

So mainly for me, Moyes lacked Moyes, he was never himself, he wasn't truthful to himself at the start and didn't believed that he could create a team that was better than SAF's, he just created his own barrier and never accepted the truth or the reality of what is happening... And that is what is hurting us fans because we know he can do better, waaaaaay better than 6-7th place with the players he has even if we now that we have room for improve with this aging defense and crippled midfield.

So if Moyes can't handle the truth and actually starts showing any sign of responsibility either in/off the pitch... urgency or what ever it has to take to turn things around... I can't see how I can support an inauthentic manager who has no clue or belief in himself.

I'm optimistic despite a bad season, there's still a chance to pull this around however its up to Moyes to step up, if not then he should step down and we'd applaud him of trying his best and being responsible for this season.

Hopefully next season we are more prepared, formation wise, player/transfer wise and mentality wise.

To be fair, we hired a midtable manager with a midtable average finish with a midtable mentality with a midtable result along with a collection of midtable coaches whose only exposure is midtable mentality whose only managed to handle midtable players for all their midtable job, and now we're complaining that we're finishing midtable??

The only thing that's not midtable about those 3 are their paychecks

 

[Gladiator]

LOL sky1981 really has it in for Moyes. This was like Sparky Hughes spewing his utter disgust of Rooney earlier this past summer

 

[kps88]

Its a mute point, but say Moyes got the flu or something. I'd love to see the difference in performance if Fergie took charge for just one game.

You're right. I'd keep it mute.

 

[Sarni]

You are a far better poster than that, mate. Don't fall into this trap of perpetual negativity. You know, I know and the dog on the street knows that Moyes is not going to be here for 6 years if things don't improve.

It was different for a team like Liverpool, who were once a power in world football but had established themselves firmly in the mid table over the last few years. Heck, even then they were able to attract Suarez from Ajax, a champions league club. A player joined Fulham from a CL club in the middle of the season for God's sake. I admit that it might be difficult to attract a Toni Kroos from Bayern to a United team not in the CL, well it would have been a tall order anyways, but there are other good players playing for teams no where near the stature and the financial prowess of Manchester United. City, Chelsea, PSG, Monaco and others were able to attract darn good players by throwing a little money around and selling their "project", you think United won't be able to do that? It is nothing more than an urban myth, used by the doom mongers to feel more miserable and the opposition fan to WUM on here and get giddy.

Feck knows. I can easily see Fergie being stubborn like that and wanting to keep Moyes in spite of everything. Likewise I can see people proclaiming him a success if he manages to merely transform us into a top 4 side without challenging for trophies because he has managed to lower expectations that much with this season.

We will still attract players like we managed to sign Mata. It won't change much though.

 

[Sky1981]

LOL sky1981 really has it in for Moyes. This was like Sparky Hughes spewing his utter disgust of Rooney earlier this past summer

Am i the only rational people who choose to has it in him, instead of has it in the players for being shit and pass it overnight?

I may be the sane among the insane, or an insane among the sane

Either way, it doesn't bode well for me

 

[Moonwalker]

You are a far better poster than that, mate. Don't fall into this trap of perpetual negativity. You know, I know and the dog on the street knows that Moyes is not going to be here for 6 years if things don't improve.

It was different for a team like Liverpool, who were once a power in world football but had established themselves firmly in the mid table over the last few years. Heck, even then they were able to attract Suarez from Ajax, a champions league club. A player joined Fulham from a CL club in the middle of the season for God's sake. I admit that it might be difficult to attract a Toni Kroos from Bayern to a United team not in the CL, well it would have been a tall order anyways, but there are other good players playing for teams no where near the stature and the financial prowess of Manchester United. City, Chelsea, PSG, Monaco and others were able to attract darn good players by throwing a little money around and selling their "project", you think United won't be able to do that? It is nothing more than an urban myth, used by the doom mongers to feel more miserable and the opposition fan to WUM on here and get giddy.

Hear, hear.

 

[Anderson's Cat]

You're right. I'd keep it mute.

 

[devilish]

The problem with Moyes is that he's a mid EPL table type of manager who doesn't know how to handle world class players and he lacks the tactical know how to lead a top side. The players have noticed that and as spoiled brats with no spine and are acting. They wouldn't have crossed the line if Mourinho or SAF were in command.

 

[cesc's_mullet]

Blimey, that is depressing. Especially when you watch that video of the space he kept finding.

"Keep on trudging" - this could be the slogan for the 'Moyes era'. Kinda like when Fergie tried to get that 'Believe' meme rolling back when we used to compete for trophies and stuff...

We're 2-0 down at home against Newcastle and some young lad looks worriedly up at his Dad -

"How will we manage to get our draw today, Dad? What if we miss out on 6th this season...?"

His Dad kindly smiles down at him...

"Cmon son, this is Man Utd. Keep on trudging!"

 

[Moonwalker]

The problem with Moyes is that he's a mid EPL table type of manager who doesn't know how to handle world class players and he lacks the tactical know how to lead a top side. The players have noticed that and as spoiled brats they are exploiting it. They wouldn't have crossed the line if Mourinho or SAF were in command.

This has been said of Chelsea players under Villas Boas as well. I always thought it was a silly argument. It supposes players either too cunning or too dim. You cannot foresee if the effect of you not pulling your weight will be the manager getting the sack, or you, and if you're 31, 32, you'll end up the loser either way, cause you're wasting an entire year at the end of your career. They are not that stupid.

I'm willing to defend Moyes on many things, but it is his job to inspire and instill confidence in his players. There's no getting away from that.

 

[Mockney]

Someone posted it in the Kagawa thread.

feck it, make him manager.

 

[devilish]

This has been said of Chelsea players under Villas Boas as well. I always thought it was a silly argument. It supposes players either too cunning or too dim. You cannot foresee if the effect of you not pulling your weight will be the manager getting the sack, or you, and if you're 31, 32, you'll end up the loser either way, cause you're wasting an entire year at the end of your career. They are not that stupid.

I'm willing to defend Moyes on many things, but it is his job to inspire and instill confidence in his players. There's no getting away from that.

Players are 'mentally weak' these days. Even SAF said that. Some keep forgetting that we're talking about 20 year olds, many of whom come from a poorly education background and who had suddenly become ridiculously rich and famous. Do you seriously think that these guys have the maturity to truly understand the consequences of their actions? Do they care? And if they do, do you seriously think that a normal club facing an open revolt would rather stick to the manager then to 4-5 players whose global worth vary from 60-140m?

I agree that if Moyes cant handle world class players then he should feck off to Everton or Wigan. However let us not be naïve in thinking that Moyes isn't being sabotaged. We all know that the defense can defend much better then what they are currently doing.

I hope that we bring a world class manager and I hope that once he signs he will investigate what happened to Moyes and kick the butt of all ring leaders. Sabotages shouldn't be tolerated.

 

[Crackers]

To be fair, we hired a midtable manager with a midtable average finish with a midtable mentality with a midtable result along with a collection of midtable coaches whose only exposure is midtable mentality whose only managed to handle midtable players for all their midtable job, and now we're complaining that we're finishing midtable??

The only thing that's not midtable about those 3 are their paychecks

Totally agree. He's midtable, and never will be anything more.

 

[B20]

Who?



A Liverpool fan wants our shite manager to stay with us. This is like us wanting Hodgson to stay at pool.

Well, there is that too. But what I actually meant here was that I don't think the fault is with the Glazers here. They are right to trust the judgement of their footballing experts when it comes to matters of football. Just too bad their experts don't see what everyone else sees.

 

[Sixpence]

To be fair, we hired a midtable manager with a midtable average finish with a midtable mentality with a midtable result along with a collection of midtable coaches whose only exposure is midtable mentality whose only managed to handle midtable players for all their midtable job, and now we're complaining that we're finishing midtable??

The only thing that's not midtable about those 3 are their paychecks

So what's the message?

 

[Drummer]

On your last point... Getting rid of him now could actually prove beneficial compared to seasons end. There's time for the new manager to get a feel of the squad (even though everybody and their dog knows what we lack), and he has time to change the minds of our talented players that moyes has isolated and looks like he'll end up getting rid of (nani, kagawa). Waiting until the end of the season and it'll be very difficult for anyone to convince those players they have a key role to play and things will be better.

I'm of the opinion right now that moyes' presence alone is having a negative impact on the team currently, and we'd be better without a manager. It's hard to imagine us being worse in any way really.

What manager is available now to replace moyes?

People are so he'll bent on moyes being sacked now they haven't even considered who to replace him and who would actually leave their club now to join united!

 

[Getsme]

To be fair, we hired a midtable manager with a midtable average finish with a midtable mentality with a midtable result along with a collection of midtable coaches whose only exposure is midtable mentality whose only managed to handle midtable players for all their midtable job, and now we're complaining that we're finishing midtable??

The only thing that's not midtable about those 3 are their paychecks

Tell me if I'm wrong, but I get a feeling there's a hidden message in there somewhere.

 

[Drummer]

The problem with Moyes is that he's a mid EPL table type of manager who doesn't know how to handle world class players and he lacks the tactical know how to lead a top side. The players have noticed that and as spoiled brats with no spine and are acting. They wouldn't have crossed the line if Mourinho or SAF were in command.

Do you think that what we have seen from Moyes is the best he has to offer?

Do you think that Moyes is incapable of improving or learning from his first years experience?

I personally don't think we have seen what Moyes is capable to date in many ways the gravity of the job has stifled any qualities he has as a manager. So they question that people should be asking is can he find his feet?

As far I am concerned, the players performances have made this whole tactics discussion pointless. Whats the point in discussing tactics if players cant make 10 yard passes and the likes of RVP cant finish from 10 yards out? You can play whatever tactics you like but if players are not performing then you cant really say its the tactics that are causing the issues.

I don't know if Moyes will ever pull things together, but I think he has done himself a disservice because I personally think he is far far better manager then what we have seen. Some of it is down to the destabilizing of SAF departure, some of it is because some players are not performing and some players are clearly unsettled. I think it would be impossible to imagine that Moyes confidence hasn't been shaken, but again, I wonder if he can compose himself and most importantly start asserting himself publically and in the dressingroom, what he can achieve.

The fans calling Moyes useless or a crap manager haven't a clue to be honest . .

 

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Do you think that what we have seen from Moyes is the best he has to offer?

No. Why haven't we though? Is the job to big for him?

Do you think that Moyes is incapable of improving or learning from his first years experience?

Considering he hasn't learnt anything to date, is blaming this season on luck then I'd say yes, he's seems to be stuck in his ways.

I personally don't think we have seen what Moyes is capable to date in many ways the gravity of the job has stifled any qualities he has as a manager. So they question that people should be asking is can he find his feet?

How long do we give him? 1,2,3,4 years? How much money do we give him 100-200-300 million?

I don't know if Moyes will ever pull things together, but I think he has done himself a disservice because I personally think he is far far better manager then what we have seen. Some of it is down to the destabilizing of SAF departure, some of it is because some players are not performing and some players are clearly unsettled. I think it would be impossible to imagine that Moyes confidence hasn't been shaken, but again, I wonder if he can compose himself and most importantly start asserting himself publically and in the dressingroom, what he can achieve.

There are many reasons yes, but he is the man that decides the tactics, training, buying and selling. He is supposed to be the man that gets the best out of the team, build confidence, and most importantly win games. He's failed in nearly every aspect of the job.

The fans calling Moyes useless or a crap manager haven't a clue to be honest . .

Based on his Everton days that's true, on his United days not so much.