I have a feeling that under Moyes we'll always be 2-3 players away from being a top club again.
Moyes has to go
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To be fair that's one of the few positives with Moyes's reign so far. His trust in Januzaj.
@marjen. Fellaini is a proper midfielder.
I also have serious doubts about whether Moyes should still be here next summer.
At the moment, I seem to keep finding myself defending him because there are so many criticisms which are unfair and inaccurate.
There's plenty of good reasons to have a pop at him but the idea that he's invested 60m+ with no impact is just nonsense. Far too early to know if either of those players will turn out to be good signings. They've played feck all games for us individually and one game together. That's a nonsensical timeframe to judge them by.
I also have serious doubts about whether Moyes should still be here next summer.
At the moment, I seem to keep finding myself defending him because there are so many criticisms which are unfair and inaccurate.
There's plenty of good reasons to have a pop at him but the idea that he's invested 60m+ with no impact is just nonsense. Far too early to know if either of those players will turn out to be good signings. They've played feck all games for us individually and one game together. That's a nonsensical timeframe to judge them by.
I love this, it was good of him to bring this player to the club... Oh no, wait... It was good of him to play him in the pre-season after he promoted? No, SAF promoted him last season. So, David Moyes positive points of his reign, he played a new young player [already existing at the club, recently promoted to the 1st team] a few times, then Januzaj turns in age-defying performances and people want to pat Moyes on the back for playing an in-form player? I'm sorry but I don't understand.
I trust him to build a squad...I think any manager can go out and buy very good players with loads of money. Making them play well and successful? Not an ounce of trust right now.
I said it a couple of months ago, I think he'll be afforded that time to build a new squad but someone else will make that squad play the right way. Then Moyes will do a Mancini and claim it was all his hard work.
Well, Januzaj's talent was pretty clear the moment he stepped into the pitch, but nobody is trying to take that positive away from him. Signing Mata was also a very good move, and a positive for him.
The problem is though, with all those positive additions, we're still 2-3 players away from being top again!
However, it would be fair to say that before the season, knowing we had at least £64 million to spend, you'd of hoped we'd of had a better start than Fellaini for the £32 or what it was and a January Mata... He could have helped himself with a cheap Rakitic etc but hey I divulge...
Who do we blame for that? Moyes?
Ummm yes? If you don't mind?
Are you suggesting that you're blaming somebody else?!
SAF is clearly to blame also, he had many chances to sort out these problem areas and instead aimed for quick fix options like RvP.
Well and 1 good manager who actually is capable of letting his team play some good football. Moyes isn't capable of it, never has been and probably never will be.
I think Phelan was the calming influence that stopped SAF going completely over the top. Good cop, bad cop. He was probably good for Fergies health.
I think you misunderstood me. I think I should have put that statement in between quotation marks, as in:
The problem is though, with all those positive additions, "we're still 2-3 players away from being top again"!
We're not 2-3 players away from being a top club again. We're 1 good manager away from being a top club again.
True. Fans were calling for a quality midfielder for years but usually we got the "no value in the market" and "Scholes isn't replaceable" excuse.
We had people criticising him for the way he celebrated a goal a few days ago. He can't win on shit like that.
Criticise him for all the things he actually deserves to be criticsied for rather than inventing stuff.
I didn't really mean that we are 2-3 players away from being a top club again. That's the excuse the Moyes brigade keep on giving..
The reality is that we're just 1 good manager away from being a top club again, especially after the additions of Fellaini, Mata, and Januzaj.
You wonder if the money on a epic scale was available for Fergie. The Glazers were more or less guaranteed success with Fergie in charge, they are now worried that the club will unravel and have to pour a lot more money than they would like to keep their investment safe. Why didn't they spend a fraction of this in the past to strengthen the midfield? They obviously thought SAF knew what he was doing when he recommended Moyes for the job. They will be watching on in horror as the season stumbles from one disaster to another.
He is unfortunate that they photographers are looking for pictures like that. He might have only been like that for a few seconds, but it was caught on camera.
Ah okay I misunderstood that. Still I think we could do with a couple of quality players if we want to compete with the best in Europe again but I would usually prefer them to be young talented players who have still room for development.
Exactly, you think people would realise that and not just swallow it without question.
If you want to criticise him for something how about the fact that RVP received more passes from DDG than from any other player.... crazy shit and actually something remotely related to football.
Right now both are needed tbh. A midfielder, a winger and a left back. Possibly a center back too. At this point, just a good manager wouldn't be enough.
Why do we need a new Winger? You're aware this is real life, not FM...
A lot players are short of form, but when RVP looks sub-par, I think you can assume the rest looking sub-par doesn't mean they aren't good enough, as far as wingers go, Mata, Januzaj, Young, Valencia, Nani and Lingard is a good set of players IMO, that's not including Kagawa/Welbeck
I do, I've also praised him when he's deserved it. Those that criticised him over his goal celebration need to get a grip, I'm not sure how or why you could criticise it. Personally I saw it as a outburst of relief combined with passion, at least it showed he cared.
What I don't want to see is our manger slumped in his chair looking defeatist and clueless, it sends out the wrong message to the players, fans and the club.
See that is what Moyes has done to many of us. He made us think that we have a team full of cr*p players. Imagine how the players themselves feel, especially that the players still remember (unlike many of our fans) that they won the league last season! And almost won it the season before. And won it the season before that!
So the team that has won the league added three (very) good players in Fellaini, Mata and Januzaj, and "we're still not a top club yet" according to some of our fans?!
Got my first full time job this year so have
a) Got less time
b) Got myself to more matches so can't really start post match threads.
How utterly depressing this season has been
I converted a couple of the locals to United over the last few years and one of them in particular used to get up early to watch all the midweek matches. He told me recently that United look crap when they play and it's not interesting any more. He said Liverpool is more fun.
Pull your fecking finger out Moyes. I'm doing my part over here.
Pull your fecking finger out Moyes. I'm doing my part over here.
There's more chance of you gaining an extra 2 inches on your penis than Moyes changing things around.
I think there is a lack of pace in our team. Hence why I feel why we need a winger. However, Nani coming back and Zaha/Lingard kicking on will certainly be a massive boost in this area.
Umm Carrick and Evra are getting on now and Vidic is leaving. Those are 3 first choice starters from last season that you refer to and I'd expect at least 2 of them to be replaced with adequately. So yes, we are definitely 2 players short. Did I say we have a team full of crap though? No. At the start of the season we certainly had a squad which was good enough to be in the top 3 at least. Moyes has failed to achieve that very realistic target and has to take blame for it, regardless of factors of luck and injuries. However as things stand, we need 2 quality players to get back into the top 3. The dynamics of the league has changed this season and there's no denying that.
A whole 68 people want him to stay?
I know a lot of those are opposition fans who must be loving every minute of this, but Christ on a bike some our fans are absolute masochists if they want this debacle to spill over to next season.
I know a lot of those are opposition fans who must be loving every minute of this, but Christ on a bike some our fans are absolute masochists if they want this debacle to spill over to next season.
Vidic played this season, and we haven't relied on Vidic for like 3 years now.
Evra wasn't exactly a star last year, and he and Carrick didn't suddenly age to the point that they all of sudden have become completely useless.
Only Moyes apologists can explain how we're not a top club anymore by attributing it to 3 players becoming a few months older.
Do you seriously think that if Mourinho took this team over we won't be a top 3 team in England?
No matter who manages us we definitely need a new winger. Our range of attacking midfielders bar Januzaj and Mata needs a serious mix up.
Hodgson got off extremely lightly from the press when he was with us.
Moyes is getting off even more lightly.
AVB, Benitez, etc. is another matter entirely.
We definitely need a new winger or even two but really talented ones. Valencia, Young and Nani all have to go sooner or later they have been given enough time to recover their fitness or form if they aren't up to the competition it's time to ship them out.
Did you read what I said? Let me repeat. The fact that we aren't in the top 3 is Moyes's fault. That obviously means a top manager should and would have been able to put us in the top 3.
However, going forward into next season we certainly need 2 quality players. This is not a few months of aging I'm talking about, this is a full year for players who are already over 30. Plus the league dynamics have changed from last season and will likely get even tougher next season.
If you think that this exact squad (minus Rio, Vidic and possibly Evra) can get into the top 3 next season with or without Moyes then you're wrong.
And just to repeat it again so that you don't miss it or call me a Moyes apologist: not finishing in the top 3 THIS season is Moyes's fault. The squad was good enough for this season.
Yeah this was my point. Hopefully Nani can re emerge or Zaha can step up but otherwise we need someone in that mould.
We need wingers who can come inside and give us two options like Hazard does for Chelsea, Robben and Ribery do for Bayern etc. Otherwise the archaic plan A will never end.
Ok then there are no major disagreements here. Of course the players who leave need replacing, especially Evra. However, I would rather another manager get the chance to choose the new players, than try again with Moyes.
Oh i doubt it,after what SAF said about managers not given time in the PL,he wouldn't want to look like a hypocrite.
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He had no choice but to play him. He wasn't in the starting 11 at the begining of the season and was brought in at the time when Moyes started to realise that a spark was needed because in fact, ever since he got here we have played like shite. The problem now is that he doesn't have 8 more Januzajs.
He had no choice but to play him. He wasn't in the starting 11 at the begining of the season and was brought in at the time when Moyes started to realise that a spark was needed because in fact, ever since he got here we have played like shite. The problem now is that he doesn't have 8 more Januzajs.