Yeah, well. Excuses I suppose they are. Question is whether they're more or less valid ones. I am looking for them, obviously, if that's what you're implying. It's either that or demanding his head on a platter. We all know he hasn't delivered yet, that's blatantly obvious.
Moyes has to go
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Yeah, well. Excuses I suppose they are. Question is whether they're more or less valid ones. I am looking for them, obviously, if that's what you're implying. It's either that or demanding his head on a platter. We all know he hasn't delivered yet, that's blatantly obvious.
Moyes arriving back from Greece, standing next to an appropriate advertisement.
Shamelessly stolen from Daily Mail.
Shamelessly stolen from Daily Mail.
I agree but I wouldn't get your hopes up. I can see us persevering with him to the detriment of the Club.
I'm not disagreeing with you, he should be gone, but the club are going to give him time, like it or not. Does he look like a man that's under pressure? I'd hazard a guess and say the board have gave him reassurances that he won't get sacked no matter how bad it gets this season, a honeymoon period if you like.
We are currently playing relegation form football and nothing's happened, we are out of all cups (more or less) in February and nothing happened we won't make top 4 and nothings happened, so losing to Olympiakos isn't much of a surprise.
Rory hit the nail on the head, under Fergie we didn't set out as the underdog, hoping to nick a goal, we set out to dominate and win the game, that's not a "defensive tactic" at all. Moyes just hasn't got the big time mentality. He's treating our team with small team tactics and it's ridiculous and costing us points and big losses in cups.
Every successor aims to do better then his predecessor. That is the law of progress and the expectation of every United player, fan and the Manager himself.... at least I would have thought so.
However in Moyes what can I say...? Absolutely clueless.
Is this the chosen one to take us to new titles? New Championships? New heights?
No more excuses. Let's get a new manager in place immediately. After he is sacked or honorably resigns from his position the search for a new manager can begin.
However in Moyes what can I say...? Absolutely clueless.
Is this the chosen one to take us to new titles? New Championships? New heights?
No more excuses. Let's get a new manager in place immediately. After he is sacked or honorably resigns from his position the search for a new manager can begin.
The trouble is its "safety first" in a way that belies his total lack of European experience.
The way to play safely in Europe is to keep the ball, ensure that you have at least three players in the middle of the park who are consistently close to each other and then the entire team can move forward up the pitch en masse. Sitting back and hitting long balls for your wingers to chase is not safety first, especially in a pumped up place like Greece. It might seem that way to a manager raised in the Premier League, but its suicide in Europe.
What's irritating is that we learnt these lessons in the mid 90s. Moyes apparently hasn't. We knew Europe was not his strength, but these are basic tenets of playing abroad.
It rather reinforces my view that the man simply lacks the nous to manage a top club.
Both Liverpool and City coming to Old Trafford within ten days or so, with the Olympiacos second leg in between. This could get ugly.
Let face it, the jig is up and he has run out of excuses. Just look at any other Moyes thread before all of this calamity took place. I don't think people were expecting much, but Moyes has somehow managed to out-shite our expectations.
With the team he has, the quality of the players at his disposal, the results he produced has been nothing short of appalling. A stat I saw yesterday was that we have lost 6 out of our 12 games this year, drawn 2 and won only 4. Meanwhile in 12 games, we conceded 16 goals and scored only 15. Combine that with the quality of our football hitting a new low, I think Moyes should go so that the rot can be stopped before it is too late. Under Fergie, we hardly played any swashbuckling footballing, but he understood how to get the best out of the players and most importantly produce the results. Moyes achieved none except being a record breaker in losing.
With the team he has, the quality of the players at his disposal, the results he produced has been nothing short of appalling. A stat I saw yesterday was that we have lost 6 out of our 12 games this year, drawn 2 and won only 4. Meanwhile in 12 games, we conceded 16 goals and scored only 15. Combine that with the quality of our football hitting a new low, I think Moyes should go so that the rot can be stopped before it is too late. Under Fergie, we hardly played any swashbuckling footballing, but he understood how to get the best out of the players and most importantly produce the results. Moyes achieved none except being a record breaker in losing.
That's just not true at all. As recent as last season against Madrid we clearly set out to contain them and nick a goal on the break. We went as far as to drop Rooney just to make sure we could control Alonso (imagine if Moyes did that) and we had Jones do a job on Ronaldo at the Bernabeu. It worked perfectly too. And remember the title decider against City couple of seasons ago?
Bare in mind you're throwing your lot in with this guy.
True but in both cases our defence was a hell lot more dependable to make such a tactic work. Right now it seems pure madness to play defensively when we are going to leak goals regardless.
Just been confirmed on a Sky that United have said the rumours are rubbish.
There you said, the man is a joke these days. His record is impressive though no doubt.
Moyes arriving back from Greece, standing next to an appropriate advertisement.
Shamelessly stolen from Daily Mail.
surely shoppedI agree. Also think it's quite telling SAF didn't think RVP and Rooney should play together in what was our biggest game of the season.
Was just pointing out this notion that SAF always set out to dominate and play attacking football is not true.
Maybe it needs to. Also if the sponsors or potential sponsors start voicing their doubts then the club might have to act.
That will probably be the turning the corner game again.You forgot West Brom a week before Liverpool.
Yes, but Real Madrid/City vs a third rate Greek team.
You're right with that. There were numerous occasions where Fergie mixed it up tactically.
That is just being a revisionist at best. Fergie seldom sets up a team to dominate, especially in the CL. He sets up a team best at exploiting the opposition's weakness. The hallmark of his managerial ability is his adaptability, not his attacking football.
Did united not come 2nd the year before he came? Thought someone said that somewhere
Anyone comparing them is pointless, things don't even happen the same way twice. what is certain is that sometimes managers turn it around, and sometimes they don't. If people discuss fergies reign as proof that moyes will do ok they're just as stupid as people who discuss Roy Hodg's reign as proof that its going wrong
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I wonder how many rival fans are there among those 55.
Why doesn't Moyes understand that we would all have more patience if he at least tried to play attacking football?
It's a joke. I've lost faith in Moyes. He is completely out of his depth if he thinks Young, Valencia and Cleverley are the players to start our biggest game of the year.
There was always going to be tough transition period but we are now a laughing stock.
And for those who think things will improve, tell me what signs have you seen that shows that there is light at the tunnel?
I'm one of the more positive posters here and back our players almost all the time. But our manager is out of his depth and there are players that should not feature for the rest of the season with a performance like that - Evra, Rio, Cleverley, Valencia and Smalling at RB. Embarrassing.
It's a joke. I've lost faith in Moyes. He is completely out of his depth if he thinks Young, Valencia and Cleverley are the players to start our biggest game of the year.
There was always going to be tough transition period but we are now a laughing stock.
And for those who think things will improve, tell me what signs have you seen that shows that there is light at the tunnel?
I'm one of the more positive posters here and back our players almost all the time. But our manager is out of his depth and there are players that should not feature for the rest of the season with a performance like that - Evra, Rio, Cleverley, Valencia and Smalling at RB. Embarrassing.
http://www.dailystar.co.uk/sport/fo...ED-for-not-playing-Juan-Mata-but-he-s-cuptied
So are any of you lot on that?
So are any of you lot on that?
I fully expect some choice stories about Moyes and his 'management skills' from the players who will be departing in the summer.
I expect some of the stories that will eventually surface will be even worse then we thought.
Weak in character. Like a few people have posted, he's trying to "Learn the United Way" because "width is in their DNA." Great Jehosephat.
Excellent wingers are a prerequisite for that. If you don't happen to have them currently, then find another way to win until you can get back to that system. If you can't do that, are you sure you're an expert in your field.
Like other people have posted, if you don't have the right players, you can't even learn the system in the first place. So just go with something else in the meantime. No one's holding you over a fire demanding you play 'the United Way.' Fans aren't going to lambast you for not being able to do that with the players at your disposal.
Basically summarises everything that I read in the first few pages into a rap. The guy is pretty funny, too.
Give him time and money? He's spunked 70 odd million on two players who aren't central midfielders. With a vast depreciation in not only football style but results
It's not about understanding, it's about having it in you to play differently. And he hasn't. If anyone was thinking we'd be taking a 50 year old manager who has for the most part played conservative football and transform him into something else, he had another thing coming.
You want a pragmatic manager, you sign a pragmatic manager. You want an attacking manager, you sign an attacking manager. I keep coming back to this because I think it says a lot, but in his first press conference Moyes was asked about the style of football he'll play. Any manager would use this to talk about our history and commitment to attacking football, to exciting football, but he only talked about how the important thing was winning.
If we are indeed giving him time and money to spend in the summer, I hope we've got somebody smart overlooking the targets and deciding whether they'd be good purchases should Moyes depart further down the line.
The last thing we want is a bunch of average talent brought in, quality players departing and the mid-table transition complete.
The last thing we want is a bunch of average talent brought in, quality players departing and the mid-table transition complete.
Even if these rumours of him being sacked are bullshit, I really hope they persist so that they continually undermine him. It sounds horrible but it might cultivate a pressure which will cause Moyes to buckle or for the club to sack him.
What a fantastic post.
Your faith is misplaced, obviously, but you've got to admire the passion that fans the flames of this post. Pure Patos delivered with just a smidge of restraint, for that delightful equilibrium between eloquence and passion. The OOT swipe was very well executed as well.
I do hope you're right about the fans in the ground, mind you. Moyes Ought Not Go.
Of course he won't. [souness] No single manager can do untold damage to a club. That depends on a lot of factors. [/souness]