Moyes has to go

Moyes out?

  • Knee jerk/I object to the term knee jerk because I told you he was going to be rubbish in 2003

    Votes: 296 80.4%
  • Head in sand/My name is Baghdad Bob and everything is going to be OK

    Votes: 72 19.6%

  • Total voters
    368
  • Poll closed .
Point 1 - i don't think anyone expected a seamless transition but surely this is beyond our worse fears? if this were a proven manager, it would be easier to put it down to teething problems. With Moyes, however, maybe it's just a case of him landing at his usual level of 6th or 7th.

Point 2- Mata is quality, proven in England and relatively young. Hardly a high-risk investment.

Point 3- probably the most difficult point to counter. However, neither are idiots and must recognise an out of his depth manager when they see one. Also, and as I mentioned elsewhere, Fergie cannot sign up to the "Moyes inherited a crap squad" excuse without incriminating himself.

I think a CL exit against Olympiakos plus Liverpool winning at OT will see him off, at least by May.

Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a woeful appointment from the off, but didn't at all see it being this bad. In fact only a guy at my work, a Tottenham fan (who is obviously used to spotting mediocrity) called this happening from the off.
Most others seemed to think we'd be 3rd, and have an outside shot of the league.

This summer we're going to lose a lot of our supposed higher moral ground over City and Chelsea.
Either we're going to lash figures that make a mockery of us complaining at their spending, or we're going to sack a manager really quickly, which we slate them for.

My money is on option 1. Which is quite frightening, as we basically spent 27m on Fellaini without him solving anything, and I really fear Mata won't see his best form here under Moyes either.

King Kenny, who I thought was an utter bellend in his last spell at Liverpool seems to talk a lot of sense in his Mirror column, saying the Rooney deal will cause us big problems attracting people in the summer. Why won't top players expect the same wage!
Are we going to be issuing 200k+ deals to loads of players!
 
What do you guys think about this? I didn't want to create a new thread but found it a bit interesting.



He laughs in the face of the quality he has in favor of disciplined workhorses. He's too conservative to use the quality it takes to win the Premier League... properly at least.
 
What do you guys think about this? I didn't want to create a new thread but found it a bit interesting.



Then we'll have an army of highly skilled and expensive mercenaries, but they'll still be led by the tactically weak as well as uninspiring General Moyes.

No surprise that Balague would approve of indiscriminate spending being the answer.
 
Guillem Balague, chief transfer muppet.

I think it has got to the stage where we need a fresh impetus. I always said it was around this Champions League match that we'd know for sure.
 
What a bunch of spoilt, dribbling, glory hunting spastics you are. 3 years it took for Fergie to come good, you haven't even given Moyes a season and you're throwing your toys out of the pram. Most of you are armchair fans who have never been to a match, and sadly the Caf has in recent times become more and more the domain of muppets who'd rather we became a City style mercenary dream team with a soul-less big name manager at the top who would walk after 2 seasons.

I'm genuinely sick of RedCafe, the attitudes of those at the games are polls apart from the stagnant horseshit I read in here - and I can say that firsthand. United has a fantastic group of domestic supporters, but globally a bunch of angry glory demanding know-nothings who think throwing a glamorous big name manager at the club will solve the problem.

...and to those of you who level the term 'top.red' at me; why not go to an actual game and gauge the reaction from fans there, your constant anti Moyes droning will be in the minority. While you're at it, why not check out a game being played by your local team: I'm sure Delhi FC, LA Galaxy and Molde can all play some entertaining football.

Goodbye Caf. It was sound here until SAF left.

Everyone I know who goes to games spouts shit even worse than the Caf. It always amuses me when people make out that someone who goes to a match must be more intelligent than someone who doesn't. I fail to see the link between the two to be honest.
 
Things aren't going too well at the moment over in Manchester.

Moyes isn't performing as everyone expected or at least hoped he would. The football has been negative at times, the results aren't great (to put it mildly) and the squad is massively underperforming. Where did it all go wrong?

Summer transfers: For a long time it looked like United would bring in no one. Fabregas didn't clamor for a move to Barcelona for years, just to return to England, especially Man Utd. He has always stated that Wenger is a second father to him and he owes everything to the man so if he did return there is only one club in red he would play for and its not the one in Manchester. Beyond that chase, what the heck happened? Okay lost out to Bayern on Thiago, fair enough, European Champions. But was that it? Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra were all in their 30s then and Moyes had seen them in preseason, didn't he think that he needed a defender? At least a center back seeing as how he barely plays Jones or Smalling there. I can't remember a single link to a winger either even though it was clear from then that Young and Valencia were nowhere near good enough. Sure that squad finished as champions but if you don't buck your ideas up and improve year to year you get left behind. Despite finishing the season as invincibles that side never won another league title in England. You won the title, great now you have to go out and make sure you maintain that position, and Moyes didn't do nearly enough in that regard. Especially considering the transfer business that Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal carried out.

Backroom staff: Too much upheaval too soon. When Wenger came to the club, he kept on Pat Rice as his assistant. Why? Because Rice knew the club inside out and had been involved with the youth set up, Brady was also at the club, two guys who knew what it meant to play for Arsenal. Wenger said that Rice was instrumental in getting him to realize just what a North London Derby mean. Look at Moyes' staff, besides Neville and Giggs, how many of them know what it means to be at Man Utd and knows how the club operates. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There needs to be some form of continuity or link between the old regime and the new regime to make the process a smooth one. Changing the backroom staff after both Ferguson and Gill left was just too much.

Injuries: Every club gets them, deal with it.

Squad: I addressed this a bit in summer transfers, sure its the same squad that won the title last season but if you stand still then you get left behind. Any squad can be improved on and its the manager's job to find out how.

Tactics and results: Clearly not good enough. Whatever he is trying, hasn't worked so far. Individual quality has dropped all over the pitch and the only players who seem to be sure of their role are the wingers, which is get to the byline and cross. Everyone else just looks confused. Is it RVP and Rooney up top as a two? Is Rooney playing as the number 10? When Welbeck is on the field as well, does RVP go out to the wing? Bar Rooney whose job is it to create goals? Carrick can't do it, Cleverley can't do it, Kagawa never gets on the pitch and Mata seems to be playing out on the right.

Might seem like I'm bashing Moyes but I never said he should be sacked. I didn't say he should keep his job either. It really isn't for me to say, as an Arsenal fan the current going-ons at United doesn't affect my club so I'll just wait and see what the Glazers decide to do.
 
Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a woeful appointment from the off, but didn't at all see it being this bad. In fact only a guy at my work, a Tottenham fan (who is obviously used to spotting mediocrity) called this happening from the off.
Most others seemed to think we'd be 3rd, and have an outside shot of the league.

This summer we're going to lose a lot of our supposed higher moral ground over City and Chelsea.
Either we're going to lash figures that make a mockery of us complaining at their spending, or we're going to sack a manager really quickly, which we slate them for.

My money is on option 1. Which is quite frightening, as we basically spent 27m on Fellaini without him solving anything, and I really fear Mata won't see his best form here under Moyes either.

King Kenny, who I thought was an utter bellend in his last spell at Liverpool seems to talk a lot of sense in his Mirror column, saying the Rooney deal will cause us big problems attracting people in the summer. Why won't top players expect the same wage!
Are we going to be issuing 200k+ deals to loads of players!

Now I'm really depressed! I thought you could see some light at the end of the tunnel....The transfer kitty is the question. I would rather entrust it with someone else, but, if not, I would hope the Board exercises some control (as in vetoing big money offers for the likes of the 29 year old Baines).
 
Don't get me wrong, I thought it was a woeful appointment from the off, but didn't at all see it being this bad. In fact only a guy at my work, a Tottenham fan (who is obviously used to spotting mediocrity) called this happening from the off.
Most others seemed to think we'd be 3rd, and have an outside shot of the league.

This summer we're going to lose a lot of our supposed higher moral ground over City and Chelsea.
Either we're going to lash figures that make a mockery of us complaining at their spending, or we're going to sack a manager really quickly, which we slate them for.

My money is on option 1. Which is quite frightening, as we basically spent 27m on Fellaini without him solving anything, and I really fear Mata won't see his best form here under Moyes either.

King Kenny, who I thought was an utter bellend in his last spell at Liverpool seems to talk a lot of sense in his Mirror column, saying the Rooney deal will cause us big problems attracting people in the summer. Why won't top players expect the same wage!
Are we going to be issuing 200k+ deals to loads of players!

I couldnt give a flying feck if we spunk shitloads on wages to be honest man, as long as we get the right players in. We've no right to slag Arsenal about their transfer policy either. Look at the money we bring in - minus payin back the debt, thats a shedload, yet Fergie rarely spunked it on top players, deciding to buy cheap potentials instead.

The rumour about us puttin in a £110m bid for Bale is welcomed though - crazy money of course. £40/50m should have done the deal, but it shows that the board are prepared to get the United credit card out for top players. The only problem is - is Moyes gonna employ our potential new summer recruits in the best possible way if we consider what we've seen already?

If Moyes just picks the best possible team next season (he wont be sacked because Fergie's rep is on the line) & gives feck all instructions, then it could work, because he's clueless about dealin with top-class players by the looks of it.

I'm so feckin scundered lads. If you look that up in the dictionary - you'll see a photograph of me with a face palm!
 
Our fans keep singing his name at every game so I doubt he will be sacked when he stil has the backing of the home and away support.
I think he's lost the away support after last night. I mentioned a guy on talksport earlier who was at last nights game, who has gone to every home and away game for the last 20 years who said the fans at last night game were furious with Moyes. He wants him gone.
 
What do you guys think about this? I didn't want to create a new thread but found it a bit interesting.

Veiled dig by Guillem at the PL - the tweet reflects the winners are decided by the larger wallet and not really tactics.
 
Our situation has fecked me up more than I'd like. It's weird because usually I'm just able to stay away from distractions but with a transition this important how do you stay calm? You watch players seemingly not give a feck. Then you see a still shot of the coaching team slouching in their chairs. Not to mention Ed Woodward taking a selfie and you're jsut like "What gives?" And perhaps it's hitting me more because I never quite expected it to be this bad. Everytime I want to focus on school, there's always something that draws me back either here or social media and I lose track of time. Just feels so unavoidable. I dont even feel angry anymore when we lose. It's just become "welp guess I shouldn't be surprised it ended like that".

I will always support this club but it really does feel weird being in this state of limbo. It's a struggle to make sense of any of it. Like no one has any idea where this club is going.
 
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I think when Klopp said that there are so many people out there who have no clue about football but still write about it he specifically had Balauge in mind. :lol:

But seriously I'm always surprised how this guy still expects to be taken serious while being wrong on about 99,9% of his predictions?
 
Just saw this quote:

Moyes left Adnan Januzaj out of the match-day 18 despite the teenager impressing throughout the season. To explain, he said: "I decided last week I would play Tom Cleverley so I chose not to use him."

Can't quite believe he said that.
 
Hang on isn't this Balague chump just saying we'll buy expensive in the summer!?

I think that's about as a given as it gets!
 
Just saw this quote:

Moyes left Adnan Januzaj out of the match-day 18 despite the teenager impressing throughout the season. To explain, he said: "I decided last week I would play Tom Cleverley so I chose not to use him."

Can't quite believe he said that.
like he ran out of excuses and that was the only one left in the bucket
 
Just saw this quote:

Moyes left Adnan Januzaj out of the match-day 18 despite the teenager impressing throughout the season. To explain, he said: "I decided last week I would play Tom Cleverley so I chose not to use him."

Can't quite believe he said that.

Just let it pass you by.

Otherwise you'll do yourself a mischief wondering why the heck someone in a completelty different position should affect him.
 
Things aren't going too well at the moment over in Manchester.

Moyes isn't performing as everyone expected or at least hoped he would. The football has been negative at times, the results aren't great (to put it mildly) and the squad is massively underperforming. Where did it all go wrong?

Summer transfers: For a long time it looked like United would bring in no one. Fabregas didn't clamor for a move to Barcelona for years, just to return to England, especially Man Utd. He has always stated that Wenger is a second father to him and he owes everything to the man so if he did return there is only one club in red he would play for and its not the one in Manchester. Beyond that chase, what the heck happened? Okay lost out to Bayern on Thiago, fair enough, European Champions. But was that it? Vidic, Ferdinand and Evra were all in their 30s then and Moyes had seen them in preseason, didn't he think that he needed a defender? At least a center back seeing as how he barely plays Jones or Smalling there. I can't remember a single link to a winger either even though it was clear from then that Young and Valencia were nowhere near good enough. Sure that squad finished as champions but if you don't buck your ideas up and improve year to year you get left behind. Despite finishing the season as invincibles that side never won another league title in England. You won the title, great now you have to go out and make sure you maintain that position, and Moyes didn't do nearly enough in that regard. Especially considering the transfer business that Chelsea, Man City and Arsenal carried out.

Backroom staff: Too much upheaval too soon. When Wenger came to the club, he kept on Pat Rice as his assistant. Why? Because Rice knew the club inside out and had been involved with the youth set up, Brady was also at the club, two guys who knew what it meant to play for Arsenal. Wenger said that Rice was instrumental in getting him to realize just what a North London Derby mean. Look at Moyes' staff, besides Neville and Giggs, how many of them know what it means to be at Man Utd and knows how the club operates. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. There needs to be some form of continuity or link between the old regime and the new regime to make the process a smooth one. Changing the backroom staff after both Ferguson and Gill left was just too much.

Injuries: Every club gets them, deal with it.

Squad: I addressed this a bit in summer transfers, sure its the same squad that won the title last season but if you stand still then you get left behind. Any squad can be improved on and its the manager's job to find out how.

Tactics and results: Clearly not good enough. Whatever he is trying, hasn't worked so far. Individual quality has dropped all over the pitch and the only players who seem to be sure of their role are the wingers, which is get to the byline and cross. Everyone else just looks confused. Is it RVP and Rooney up top as a two? Is Rooney playing as the number 10? When Welbeck is on the field as well, does RVP go out to the wing? Bar Rooney whose job is it to create goals? Carrick can't do it, Cleverley can't do it, Kagawa never gets on the pitch and Mata seems to be playing out on the right.

Might seem like I'm bashing Moyes but I never said he should be sacked. I didn't say he should keep his job either. It really isn't for me to say, as an Arsenal fan the current going-ons at United doesn't affect my club so I'll just wait and see what the Glazers decide to do.

Good post man. Cant argue with any of that!

Its a feckin shambles at the minute thats for sure. You cant jump from Formula 3 to Formula 1 - that shit doesnt happen. I was sound about Moyes coming in, but not Round, Woods or yer man Lumsden/Rumsden or whatever the feck his name is.

End of the day - its Fergie's fault if shit gets even more worse than it is already. We had the pick of the best managers in the world - maybe not Pep though, but United should have said its Moyes only - no buddies included - they're not qualified - neither are you, but the Manager thinks you're ideal so we'll go with that, but its you only!
 
Veiled dig by Guillem at the PL - the tweet reflects the winners are decided by the larger wallet and not really tactics.
Ballague knows Moyes personally I believe, he's sat in on coaching sessions whilst at Everton etc. so he's had his head up his arse all season and is blaming anyone and everyone except Moyes. Twat.
 
Just saw this quote:

Moyes left Adnan Januzaj out of the match-day 18 despite the teenager impressing throughout the season. To explain, he said: "I decided last week I would play Tom Cleverley so I chose not to use him."

Can't quite believe he said that.

I'm convinced he's losing it.

I don't just mean losing the dressing room, or losing his job...but actually being on the verge of a mental breakdown. Just look at the man, listen to what he says, its not 'normal' behaviour. He looks and sounds like a man on the edge. Its quite sad really.
 
Ballague knows Moyes personally I believe, he's sat in on coaching sessions whilst at Everton etc. so he's had his head up his arse all season and is blaming anyone and everyone except Moyes. Twat.

After hearing that, i feel sorry for Gay Ballbag not havin a Mrs Ballbag to go home to & cry on her shoulder about havin the shittest depressing day in the history of his life...

"Get it out wide...

Jelly-Fish - put the penalty over the bar & get back into position beside Howard ffs..."
 
This is Manchester United and this season is proof enough David Moyes doesn't have what it takes. It was madness employing him to begin with. I tried to give him the benefit of doubt, but it's clear as day it's not going to work out. Back to square one..
 
Surely we can't sack him now....he knows all our summer transfer targets!
 
One in Russia where he we was sacked after two weeks and another one at a team who were sitting last in the league. Managing United was Moyes opportunity to show the doubters he was more than a 'average' manager but he has fecked it up. He will struggle to get a job at a top side again, I can't see anyone in the top 8 taking him on.
Oh no doubt about that. He'll not get another top job again. But he'll easily get one at a top division club.
 
The Celtic job might be available if Lennon moves to the PL.