Moyes has to go

[An Irish Red]

You'd think the fact that every opposition fan in England wants to see him given a lifetime contract might wake some people up but apparently not.

The fact that he's got a title-winning squad playing like a poor mans Sunderland did it for me like.

 

[Shinjisan]

I think rest of opposition brigade need to take WUM lessons from peterstorey. Rest of you'all ain't even half good.

 

[Mockney]

Moyes Ought Not Go.

 

[Amir]

Of course he won't. [souness] No single manager can do untold damage to a club. That depends on a lot of factors. [/souness]

Frankly, if we stand to lose the likes of Van Persie, Kagawa and Hernandez, then Moyes would be causing big damage.

 

[Mauzindark]

What a bunch of spoilt, dribbling, glory hunting spastics you are. 3 years it took for Fergie to come good, you haven't even given Moyes a season and you're throwing your toys out of the pram. Most of you are armchair fans who have never been to a match, and sadly the Caf has in recent times become more and more the domain of muppets who'd rather we became a City style mercenary dream team with a soul-less big name manager at the top who would walk after 2 seasons.

I'm genuinely sick of RedCafe, the attitudes of those at the games are polls apart from the stagnant horseshit I read in here - and I can say that firsthand. United has a fantastic group of domestic supporters, but globally a bunch of angry glory demanding know-nothings who think throwing a glamorous big name manager at the club will solve the problem.

...and to those of you who level the term 'top.red' at me; why not go to an actual game and gauge the reaction from fans there, your constant anti Moyes droning will be in the minority. While you're at it, why not check out a game being played by your local team: I'm sure Delhi FC, LA Galaxy and Molde can all play some entertaining football.

Goodbye Caf. It was sound here until SAF left.

Worst thing I've ever seen, and not just on the internet. So us non match going fans have no right of opinion and should go support other teams ? Good to know. And thank you for degrading us.

 

[adexkola]

Of course he won't. [souness] No single manager can do untold damage to a club. That depends on a lot of factors. [/souness]

Ok, I'm changing my mind. No way me and B20 can be on the same side.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Frankly, if we stand to lose the likes of Van Persie, Kagawa and Hernandez, then Moyes would be causing big damage.

At least two of which wouldn't be departing in the summer if not for Moyes, needless spending for the club and wasted talent as a result of his own shortcomings.

 

[MoskvaRed]

Who are the 57 jokers who said no? I know we have some opposition fans on here but not that many. Just got off the phone with the old man who described it as the most soul-destroying United performance he has seen (and he's old enough to remember Johnny Carey and the famous five). I can only think of three reasons to say no:

1. Supporter of Liverpool, City or other opposition team. Fair enough as I'd be enjoying this greatly in their position.
2. Intellectually stubborn so does not want to admit a mistake (particularly common among newly promoted posters as, in my recent experience, towing the "Moyes will come good line" seemed to score well).
3. Inadequate intellectual abilities, based mainly on the the rationale that giving a manager time equals success.

Anyone care to formulate a logically sound argument for keeping Moyes?

 

[LARulz]

Probably discussed, but anyone think there is any truth in Barton's supposed rumours about Vidic?

Can't embed cos I don't know how so:

Ollie Holt: Minor point: United captain should be standing up and doing the post-match interview. But then this is a United captain who's on his bike

Barton: rumour he changes in a separate changing room and refuses to be part of group anymore, all down to how contract was handled.

 

[Bojan11]

If that was the case even Moyes wouldn't play him.

 

[LARulz]

If that was the case even Moyes wouldn't play him.

Yeah, did think that can't be right as Moyes surely wouldn't play him and nor do I think Vidic would behave like that. While I still don't believe it, Moyes is probably thinking its a needs much situation if true.

 

[Raoul]

Who are the 57 jokers who said no? I know we have some opposition fans on here but not that many. Just got off the phone with the old man who described it as the most soul-destroying United performance he has seen (and he's old enough to remember Johnny Carey and the famous five). I can only think of three reasons to say no:

1. Supporter of Liverpool, City or other opposition team. Fair enough as I'd be enjoying this greatly in their position.
2. Intellectually stubborn so does not want to admit a mistake (particularly common among newly promoted posters as, in my recent experience, towing the "Moyes will come good line" seemed to score well).
3. Inadequate intellectual abilities, based mainly on the the rationale that giving a manager time equals success.

Anyone care to formulate a logically sound argument for keeping Moyes?

Check the Moyes so far thread. There are arguments in there as to why this is a long term process.

 

[Sandikan]

Who are the 57 jokers who said no? I know we have some opposition fans on here but not that many. Just got off the phone with the old man who described it as the most soul-destroying United performance he has seen (and he's old enough to remember Johnny Carey and the famous five). I can only think of three reasons to say no:

1. Supporter of Liverpool, City or other opposition team. Fair enough as I'd be enjoying this greatly in their position.
2. Intellectually stubborn so does not want to admit a mistake (particularly common among newly promoted posters as, in my recent experience, towing the "Moyes will come good line" seemed to score well).
3. Inadequate intellectual abilities, based mainly on the the rationale that giving a manager time equals success.

Anyone care to formulate a logically sound argument for keeping Moyes?

He's doing very poorly, but he hasn't even had one season. In going with Moyes they clearly knew there would be some teething issues, so they're hardly going to say, "Oh there's teething issues, let's bin him off now".

We've just let him spend 37m on a player. We're not going to sack him a few weeks on.

He's Fergie and Bobby's pick, and they're not going to say sack him this early on.

Christmas is the earliest possible.

 

[MoskvaRed]

Check the Moyes so far thread. There are arguments in there as to why this is a long term process.

But not related to the person of David Moyes as far as I can tell? Don't get me wrong, I know our squad needs strengthening with some genuine quality but I have yet to see any persuasive points as to why Moyes is the man to whom we hold entrust that process.

 

[hungrywing]

Check the Moyes so far thread. There are arguments in there as to why this is a long term process.

You should probably give him a page number for reference considering that thread is about half as long as War and Peace and counting.

 

[Reapersoul20]

What a condescending way to express an opinion.

Who are the 57 jokers who said no? I know we have some opposition fans on here but not that many. Just got off the phone with the old man who described it as the most soul-destroying United performance he has seen (and he's old enough to remember Johnny Carey and the famous five). I can only think of three reasons to say no:

1. Supporter of Liverpool, City or other opposition team. Fair enough as I'd be enjoying this greatly in their position.
2. Intellectually stubborn so does not want to admit a mistake (particularly common among newly promoted posters as, in my recent experience, towing the "Moyes will come good line" seemed to score well).
3. Inadequate intellectual abilities, based mainly on the the rationale that giving a manager time equals success.

Anyone care to formulate a logically sound argument for keeping Moyes?

 

[Mauzindark]

Damning evidence of his mid-table mindset :

 

[wr8_utd]

I'd honestly thought we'd finally stop playing Valencia under Moyes. So disappointing.

 

[Fergus' son]

His pre match interview was worse than Carrick's post match, dull as dishwater and not a shred of ambition.

It's going to be a painful two years. Let's hope when he finally gets the chop we replace him with someone a lot more forward thinking.

 

[Man-United]

Our fans keep singing his name at every game so I doubt he will be sacked when he stil has the backing of the home and away support.

 

[njred]

Of course none of us want Moyes out, but if I was a united supporter it would be obvious he has to go. In addition to all his dubious records, he's about to add finishing the lowest any team that previously won the league since Blackburn finished 7th.
He looks beaten and lost

 

[MoskvaRed]

He's doing very poorly, but he hasn't even had one season. In going with Moyes they clearly knew there would be some teething issues, so they're hardly going to say, "Oh there's teething issues, let's bin him off now".

We've just let him spend 37m on a player. We're not going to sack him a few weeks on.

He's Fergie and Bobby's pick, and they're not going to say sack him this early on.

Christmas is the earliest possible.

Point 1 - i don't think anyone expected a seamless transition but surely this is beyond our worse fears? if this were a proven manager, it would be easier to put it down to teething problems. With Moyes, however, maybe it's just a case of him landing at his usual level of 6th or 7th.

Point 2- Mata is quality, proven in England and relatively young. Hardly a high-risk investment.

Point 3- probably the most difficult point to counter. However, neither are idiots and must recognise an out of his depth manager when they see one. Also, and as I mentioned elsewhere, Fergie cannot sign up to the "Moyes inherited a crap squad" excuse without incriminating himself.

I think a CL exit against Olympiakos plus Liverpool winning at OT will see him off, at least by May.

 

[nimic]

This "teething issues" thing is completely ridiculous. If we didn't get him because he's been a manager in the Premier League for a decade and doesn't need to "settle in" over a few seasons, then what did we hire him for? His losing record against big teams? His completely empty trophy cabinet? His unadventurous style of football?

 

[Bear Attack]

It's quite interesting how the game on Tuesday was the fulcrum for this roar of disapproval. I suppose it was the hope from the Palace game.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

The "teething issues" argument is forced into a burlap bag and roundly beaten with cudgels by Martinez and his start at Everton.

 

[Ixion]

Damning evidence of his mid-table mindset :

We didn't even play that well against Palace, once we got the penalty things opened up a bit but before that it was the same old story as all season against a bottom half side.

 

[MoskvaRed]

What a condescending way to express an opinion.

My apologies if it came across that way but I honestly don't know any United fan in the flesh who still believes in him. Sandakan answered my post in a constructive way so fair play - I don't agree with him but he put forward a decent argument. For most of the others though, I have genuinely not heard any real argument for Moyes. My real concern derives from the fact that I first remember United back in the days of Sexton and Atkinson. That doesn't make me more or less of a fan than anyone else (and, as I have not been a regular for many years, probably less) but i do have a very strong sense that United has no divine right to be at or near the top and can easily fall back into the pack. That is my real concern with Moyes - Fergie made it look easy (after all, who remembers the stresses of the late 80s even though Fergie was a multiple trophy winner) - and I fear some fans have been lulled into a sense of complacency by the superficial similarities.

 

[thegregster]

Of course he won't. [souness] No single manager can do untold damage to a club. That depends on a lot of factors. [/souness]

Liverpool fell away long term because they didnt build a bigger stadium. Thankfully we in a much better place off the pitch than Liverpool where in the early 90s. We have a big wage capacity and large transfer funds.

Also Souness didnt have the advantage of Liverpool having a bigger wage capacity than the rest like Liverpool did in the 70/80s. The Liverpool owners lost a lot of wealth when the Lottery came in. Lots of stars left because of lower wage offers.

 

[Orton]

Damning evidence of his mid-table mindset :

That is just absolutely disgusting form.

 

[Nick 0208 Ldn]

Our fans keep singing his name at every game so I doubt he will be sacked when he stil has the backing of the home and away support.

Does he still?

There have been boos at Old Trafford. Someone claiming to have just landed back in the UK from Athens called up Talksport earlier, he said that a core of the travelling support has now turned against Moyes.

 

[Crono]

What a bunch of spoilt, dribbling, glory hunting spastics you are. 3 years it took for Fergie to come good, you haven't even given Moyes a season and you're throwing your toys out of the pram. Most of you are armchair fans who have never been to a match, and sadly the Caf has in recent times become more and more the domain of muppets who'd rather we became a City style mercenary dream team with a soul-less big name manager at the top who would walk after 2 seasons.

I'm genuinely sick of RedCafe, the attitudes of those at the games are polls apart from the stagnant horseshit I read in here - and I can say that firsthand. United has a fantastic group of domestic supporters, but globally a bunch of angry glory demanding know-nothings who think throwing a glamorous big name manager at the club will solve the problem.

...and to those of you who level the term 'top.red' at me; why not go to an actual game and gauge the reaction from fans there, your constant anti Moyes droning will be in the minority. While you're at it, why not check out a game being played by your local team: I'm sure Delhi FC, LA Galaxy and Molde can all play some entertaining football.

Goodbye Caf. It was sound here until SAF left.

Look-at-me Moyez Boy cnut. Fcuk off.

 

[Revan]

This "teething issues" thing is completely ridiculous. If we didn't get him because he's been a manager in the Premier League for a decade and doesn't need to "settle in" over a few seasons, then what did we hire him for? His losing record against big teams? His completely empty trophy cabinet? His unadventurous style of football?

We hired him instead of Mourinho because contrary to Mourinho, Moyes has shown that he can find young players and sign them for pennies. So, in this summer Moyes should be backed by at-least 150m in transfer market. It makes sense?

How many people who said the first part on the summer now have decided that Moyes should have a big transfer budget. It is baffling the contradictions which come from his brigade.

 

[Danny1982]

What a bunch of spoilt, dribbling, glory hunting spastics you are. 3 years it took for Fergie to come good, you haven't even given Moyes a season and you're throwing your toys out of the pram. Most of you are armchair fans who have never been to a match, and sadly the Caf has in recent times become more and more the domain of muppets who'd rather we became a City style mercenary dream team with a soul-less big name manager at the top who would walk after 2 seasons.

I'm genuinely sick of RedCafe, the attitudes of those at the games are polls apart from the stagnant horseshit I read in here - and I can say that firsthand. United has a fantastic group of domestic supporters, but globally a bunch of angry glory demanding know-nothings who think throwing a glamorous big name manager at the club will solve the problem.

...and to those of you who level the term 'top.red' at me; why not go to an actual game and gauge the reaction from fans there, your constant anti Moyes droning will be in the minority. While you're at it, why not check out a game being played by your local team: I'm sure Delhi FC, LA Galaxy and Molde can all play some entertaining football.

Goodbye Caf. It was sound here until SAF left.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

 

[Reapersoul20]

My apologies if it came across that way but I honestly don't know any United fan in the flesh who still believes in him. Sandakan answered my post in a constructive way so fair play - I don't agree with him but he put forward a decent argument. For most of the others though, I have genuinely not heard any real argument for Moyes. My real concern derives from the fact that I first remember United back in the days of Sexton and Atkinson. That doesn't make me more or less of a fan than anyone else (and, as I have not been a regular for many years, probably less) but i do have a very strong sense that United has no divine right to be at or near the top and can easily fall back into the pack. That is my real concern with Moyes - Fergie made it look easy (after all, who remembers the stresses of the late 80s even though Fergie was a multiple trophy winner) - and I fear some fans have been lulled into a sense of complacency by the superficial similarities.

Apologies in this case; I took the wrong slant from your post, thanks for clearing it up. I'd generally agree; but I still think you can make an argument that Moyes hasn't been given enough time and taking over after someone as iconic and powerful in football as SAF is unprecedented and no manager would really be able.

My personal opinion is that Moyes is trying to replace the best manager of all time and he just hasn't had the presence or media-handling ability to do so adequately. The papers have painted him as this "bumbling idiot taking over after a genius", and he's done nothing other than live up to that - especially handling the media prior to not making any transfers in summer. This has led to the players not respecting him and questioning him. Nobody ever questioned Fergie.

Even without discussing tactics at all, the eleven players he puts on the field each week should be performing to a lot higher standard than they are. They clearly dont respect him and aren't as scared to not perform as they were under Fergie. He can still turn it around, and all it would take is a bit of old fashioned cajones. RVP making excuses for example - would he come out with those comments under Fergie? Would he feck. He wouldn't dare argue with him because he knows how hard Fergie would come down on him. Hopefully Moyes does the same and then continues in that vein.

 

[togg]

Does he still?

There have been boos at Old Trafford. Someone claiming to have just landed back in the UK from Athens called up Talksport earlier, he said that a core of the travelling support has now turned against Moyes.

Well if discontent of this travelling core ripples through the rest of the crowd on matchdays then Moyes surely will have limited time. There is only one area within the club that is bigger than the club and that is the fans. At the end of the day, it's they who can make or break a club with their wallets.

 

[togg]

What a bunch of spoilt, dribbling, glory hunting spastics you are. 3 years it took for Fergie to come good, you haven't even given Moyes a season and you're throwing your toys out of the pram. Most of you are armchair fans who have never been to a match, and sadly the Caf has in recent times become more and more the domain of muppets who'd rather we became a City style mercenary dream team with a soul-less big name manager at the top who would walk after 2 seasons.

I'm genuinely sick of RedCafe, the attitudes of those at the games are polls apart from the stagnant horseshit I read in here - and I can say that firsthand. United has a fantastic group of domestic supporters, but globally a bunch of angry glory demanding know-nothings who think throwing a glamorous big name manager at the club will solve the problem.

...and to those of you who level the term 'top.red' at me; why not go to an actual game and gauge the reaction from fans there, your constant anti Moyes droning will be in the minority. While you're at it, why not check out a game being played by your local team: I'm sure Delhi FC, LA Galaxy and Molde can all play some entertaining football.

Goodbye Caf. It was sound here until SAF left.

It's a bit like football version of a UKIP political speach..

 

[Gladiator]

What do you guys think about this? I didn't want to create a new thread but found it a bit interesting.

 

[Reapersoul20]

What a bunch of spoilt, dribbling, glory hunting spastics you are. 3 years it took for Fergie to come good, you haven't even given Moyes a season and you're throwing your toys out of the pram. Most of you are armchair fans who have never been to a match, and sadly the Caf has in recent times become more and more the domain of muppets who'd rather we became a City style mercenary dream team with a soul-less big name manager at the top who would walk after 2 seasons.

I'm genuinely sick of RedCafe, the attitudes of those at the games are polls apart from the stagnant horseshit I read in here - and I can say that firsthand. United has a fantastic group of domestic supporters, but globally a bunch of angry glory demanding know-nothings who think throwing a glamorous big name manager at the club will solve the problem.

...and to those of you who level the term 'top.red' at me; why not go to an actual game and gauge the reaction from fans there, your constant anti Moyes droning will be in the minority. While you're at it, why not check out a game being played by your local team: I'm sure Delhi FC, LA Galaxy and Molde can all play some entertaining football.

Goodbye Caf. It was sound here until SAF left.

What a vile, racist opinion. Reported. Hopefully this cretin will be banned.

 

[Danny1982]

What do you guys think about this? I didn't want to create a new thread but found it a bit interesting.

This idiot is just taking the piss. Like all the United haters who have waited so long for this.

 

[Kill 'em all]

I was one of his best supporters when he was first appointed but I never imagined it would be this bad. I thought that by this time we would be 3rd or 4th but not this and getting beaten by Olympiacos 2-0.