That's obviously the real concern. It's also looking increasingly like the only rational explanation for our form in 2014. A 25% win percentage is astonishingly bad for a team that are reigning champions, for all the obvious flaws in our squad. There's a distinct possibility we don't win any of our next 3 games and that figure drops to 1 win in 5. If that happens, would there be any remaining doubt that he's completely lost the players?
Moyes has to go
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That's obviously the real concern. It's also looking increasingly like the only rational explanation for our form in 2014. A 25% win percentage is astonishingly bad for a team that are reigning champions, for all the obvious flaws in our squad. There's a distinct possibility we don't win any of our next 3 games and that figure drops to 1 win in 5. If that happens, would there be any remaining doubt that he's completely lost the players?
I've seen this, sorry guys & girls:
http://www.eveningtimes.co.uk/sport...ill-the-man-for-manchester-united.1393420586?
Ferguson would raise the place to the ground.
Dam..I've really supported keeping Moyes until next Christmas to give him a decent chance. But it's so hard to still have belief that things will start to turn around. Last night was horrific. For me, yeah, it was a definite turning point. Mainly because I got the impression that a number of players have totally lost faith in him. RVP coming out and basically criticising tactics really suggests that in the words of Shearer a few players might be downing tools. I'm not sure Moyes can recover from that...
Well I never said trap!
Anyways, out of interest, do you have any reasons of your own on wanting him to stay, or thinking he's the right man? Would genuinely like to hear them. And don't say because Saf picked him, we're all grown ups here and capable of forming our own opinions. Is it just out of blind faith? Because none if it is justified to be honest.
Nice.
Aye, Trap's your man for that.
I'm the same. To the extent that I am actually surprised at the reaction last night, I mean, it's hardly a surprising new low is it? Just incredibly despondent on all things United and at this rate it'll soon get to stage where opposition fans won't mock us, just pity us.
I'm convinced Pepe Mel is going to get his first win against us.
I was thinking that as I typed. Then I was thinking about all the posts last night, "Glazer should overrule SAF", and all the chuckling about how funny life is that things can turn around to the point you can say that. And then, lastly, I was thinking about that old adage: be careful what you wish for, because you might get it.
It doesn't look good. But there's still the question of whether they're just...depressed or whether they're actually on some sort of "go slow" plan (as hinted to in that Telegraph piece above). They would have to be positively in opposition to the man, in numbers, for him to get sacked as a form of damage control - I think.
Erm... We'd be successful with Mourinho?
as a matter of interest, is there anyone on here who was at the match last night, presuming they've had enough time to get back? Just wanted to know what the general feelings were on supporting front line, so to speak.
I dont like Mourinho but FFS I would take him over Rafa fecking Benitez.
True. Although I'd say there's a fine line between a go slow and outright opposition as far as the players are concerned. If City and Liverpool humiliate us and the fans turn on them, won't most players cross that line?
Great and well done for missing my point all together. I never said we wouldn't be btw, I was wondering why we didn't appoint him if we are going to go out and buy all these players with Moyes.
Jump off my fishing line mate
It actually feels like other clubs fans have bypassed the club playing badly and now just look at Moyes, with a "What have you done to them?" look on their faces.
Not to say they aren't loving every minute though. They've been waiting for this for years.
What a bunch of spoilt, dribbling, glory hunting spastics you are. 3 years it took for Fergie to come good, you haven't even given Moyes a season and you're throwing your toys out of the pram. Most of you are armchair fans who have never been to a match, and sadly the Caf has in recent times become more and more the domain of muppets who'd rather we became a City style mercenary dream team with a soul-less big name manager at the top who would walk after 2 seasons.
I'm genuinely sick of RedCafe, the attitudes of those at the games are polls apart from the stagnant horseshit I read in here - and I can say that firsthand. United has a fantastic group of domestic supporters, but globally a bunch of angry glory demanding know-nothings who think throwing a glamorous big name manager at the club will solve the problem.
...and to those of you who level the term 'top.red' at me; why not go to an actual game and gauge the reaction from fans there, your constant anti Moyes droning will be in the minority. While you're at it, why not check out a game being played by your local team: I'm sure Delhi FC, LA Galaxy and Molde can all play some entertaining football.
Goodbye Caf. It was sound here until SAF left.
I'm genuinely sick of RedCafe, the attitudes of those at the games are polls apart from the stagnant horseshit I read in here - and I can say that firsthand. United has a fantastic group of domestic supporters, but globally a bunch of angry glory demanding know-nothings who think throwing a glamorous big name manager at the club will solve the problem.
...and to those of you who level the term 'top.red' at me; why not go to an actual game and gauge the reaction from fans there, your constant anti Moyes droning will be in the minority. While you're at it, why not check out a game being played by your local team: I'm sure Delhi FC, LA Galaxy and Molde can all play some entertaining football.
Goodbye Caf. It was sound here until SAF left.
Aye - they might if they aren't entirely behind him to begin with. And I think we can safely conclude they aren't. They're clearly not willing to bleed for him, so to speak. So, yes, in that sense those matches could prove very important, even though the results in themselves probably won't matter to the board (the season's pretty much fecked no matter what - and I believe they're willing to let that slide, write it up as part of a transition or what have you).
From a guy who goes to every home game, let me be one of the first to say, didums.
And adios!
You won't be missed.
Bit dramatic? Pick your dummy back up lad.he did a fanastic job at Everton for 11 years while being the only club in the league to make a transfer profit. He made 4th once, and when the billionaire clubs started to take of kept them around 5-6-7th. That's a good achievement. Logic says that he should do better with more money, without his best players being sold from under him every season, and with the allure to bring in better players. That's some logic for why I think he CAN do well.
I think the squad needs improving and needs to be geared towards how he wants to play. There's not a united fan alive who would claim we have good depth in defence or a centre midfield worthy of the top 4. That's the reason that I think it will improve.
We're adults here who can form our own opinions, but thinking that your opinion is more likely to be correct than SAFs is pretty dumb. I'm talking in probabilities here, not certainties - he's right more than you are about football more times out of 100
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See. This is how you make a post on the counter-point without throwing your toys out of the pram and leaving the Caf.
See ya.
what a red!So, we're spoilt as people won't share your mindset?
You spit the dummy out and go home because no one will be on your side?
Might want to revise the opening paragraph lad
Well I'm a match goer and the people around me all support the team while they're on the pitch and voice their concerns while they aren't on the pitch and on the way out of the ground. Ferguson was proven BEFORE he came to United, he'd won a European trophy with Aberdeen for Gods sake! Not to mention the United he took over were in the relegation zone, Moyes took over the Champions! Your attitude towards other fans voicing their (understandable) concerns is a disgrace.
His rather discriminatory/nationalistic overtones are also quiet the delight.
Yeah, I'd always been willing to let results slide this season. Even performances. Take a long term view and all that. Assumed the board would do the same.
I could never have imagined things would be this bad, though, in terms of results and performances. With each passing week we seem to plumb new depths. Which makes it very hard to stick to my guns. I'm sure there are members of the board going through a similar process. Just depends how many really.
Shut your filthy whore mouth! You spoilt glory hunting fan you! Will I pick your toys up and put them back in the pram for you, will I????
WILL I!?!?!?!?
Yeah, harsh on the noggies. They're a sensible bunch.
From everything we've heard, it looks like the board have already settled on letting him rebuild the squad in the summer. Presumably that will involve him getting rid of any players that aren't too fond of him.
He's going to do untold damage to this football club before he leaves, I dread to think the state we'll be in when it finally dawns on the people in charge that he's not good enough.
I'm a regular match goer mate but i'm able to form my own opinions thank you. Also, in the spirit of insulting the post and not the poster, that post is a massive bellend
Obvious WUM is obvious...
It was a WUM wasn't it?
It was a WUM wasn't it?
Lets hope Moyes feels like 17 Van Der Gouw, maybe he'll resign.
Having a bit of a meltdown there.