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Moyes has to go
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The Glazers? the same people who let Sir Alex pick a guy who finishes on average 6-7th place? with Sir Alex and Bobby etc on Moyes side in any discussion? banging on about continuity and the Man Utd way of having faith in the manager?
Once we let him spend 100 million to build his own squad this summer then we're almost locked into keeping him for a good while.
Yes, really I can see this persisting a good loooong time.
I pray to Jesus/ Buddha/ Allah that's the case mate. But the guy has a great thing going at Dortmund. He's brought the fallen giants back from relative obscurity and made them a European powerhouse. It's been his life's work so why would he lspurn all that to come here when he rejected Chelsea and City in the summer ? I'd love for it to happen but it seems very improbable.
The sad truth is that usually you notice the changes in playing style if a good manager is taking over a team.
It never takes a team long to look like a Mourinho side. Pellegrini at City had his style stamped on the team after only a dozen of games. Bayern looked like a Guardiola side straight from the start even though a bit insecure in their new ways you could already see Guardiola's style imprinted in their football.
All of those manager who took over a team this summer like Moyes got their teams to play their football after only a few games so why are we still playing so dire? Which is really worrying because either Moyes can't translate his philosophy of football to the player or his philosophy just isn't working at the level of a top club like ours and both of these options would be devastating.
It might be that the team needs an extra ordinary amount of time of getting used to a new manager and his ways of playing football but Moyes time at Everton has done nothing to suggest he actually let's his team play great modern football.
Which is another problem for him he really has nothing of value to point out for him apart from doing a solid job at Everton. When Rodgers started poorly at Liverpool everybody at least knew that he could make his sides play good football that it just might take time and squad rebuilding to do it but Moyes doesn't have such promise to offer because his sides never played any outstanding football not even for the level of players they had.
It never takes a team long to look like a Mourinho side. Pellegrini at City had his style stamped on the team after only a dozen of games. Bayern looked like a Guardiola side straight from the start even though a bit insecure in their new ways you could already see Guardiola's style imprinted in their football.
All of those manager who took over a team this summer like Moyes got their teams to play their football after only a few games so why are we still playing so dire? Which is really worrying because either Moyes can't translate his philosophy of football to the player or his philosophy just isn't working at the level of a top club like ours and both of these options would be devastating.
It might be that the team needs an extra ordinary amount of time of getting used to a new manager and his ways of playing football but Moyes time at Everton has done nothing to suggest he actually let's his team play great modern football.
Which is another problem for him he really has nothing of value to point out for him apart from doing a solid job at Everton. When Rodgers started poorly at Liverpool everybody at least knew that he could make his sides play good football that it just might take time and squad rebuilding to do it but Moyes doesn't have such promise to offer because his sides never played any outstanding football not even for the level of players they had.
Nothing's changed since his appointment. He was the wrong man then, he's the wrong man now. He did nothing to deserve the job, we took a punt and its not come off. We should cut our losses and start looking for replacements for next season. He's not a bad manager, just someone who's clearly not good enough for us.
I sincerely hope Sir Alex realizes and accepts his mistake for the sake of the club. The last thing we want is him insisting on Moyes given time.
I sincerely hope Sir Alex realizes and accepts his mistake for the sake of the club. The last thing we want is him insisting on Moyes given time.
You'd be wrong then. Just because Fergie was allowed to pick his successor does in no way mean Glazers won't shy from sacking him. They aren't half as sentimental as you are making them out to be.
Would you rather...
Two more years of Moyes and we finish 4th or Moyes is sacked tomorrow and we win the league?
Is this a serious question? The later. Easily.
I'd hope its the same for everyone here too. We're fecked the day the failures of Liverpool become more important than our own success.
If there was anything I'd like to be wrong on, it's this, I have a bad sense Sir Alex stubbornness and our clubs mentality of supporting your manager to the bitter end, which previously was a strength will now turn into our biggest enemy,
As for the Glazers, does anyone really truthfully know how much influence they wield on these type of decisions, they seem very hands off and delegate these type of issues to those they trust at the club.
Why am I happy we lost yesterday? With this style of football, we could never have gotten past the quarters, even if we do advance past the present round. I was never happy with his appointment. I was more than dismayed when he brought in his backroom boys, and moved out the tried and trusted staff already in place. And, now we are seeing the results of our folly. This loss puts one more nail in Moyes' coffin. I hope there are no more nails to be hammered in. He has failed badly. Hope he realizes the mess he has made, and goes honorably. The sooner, the better.
I think they sacked the manager of one of their American football team for "underperforming", a year (or less, can't recall) into his appointment.
I think they'll sack him at the end of the season. I'm more certain they will do so if a top manager is available. I see what you're saying though.
Are you having a laugh ?
I would be okay with the results not going United's way as long as the team showed some fight and played football the right way attacking, balanced & entertaining, also the tactics were somewhat progressive and intelligent.
Unfortunately, at the moment, Moyes is ticking none of the boxes!
Hopefully if & when he does get replaced United get Klopp, I really love that guy.
Unfortunately, at the moment, Moyes is ticking none of the boxes!
Hopefully if & when he does get replaced United get Klopp, I really love that guy.
You'd think people here would be less blind. Wanting half the squad sold because our manager is inept and out of his depth.
Just look at this. ABUs are coming out full force to mock our misery. Curse thee David Moyes thou charlatan and the ides of May whence thou wert chosen.
You've answered the question. W are playing like a David Moyes team.. Boring unimaginative and lack of killer instinct. Only the national team can make some of these players look so shit.
No chance mate. You over estimate saf and bobbys influence and underestimate how below glazers expectations moyes has been. End of season and he'll be gone. If we go out without a fight in CL, then id suggest the morning after.
You'd think people here would be less blind. Wanting half the squad sold because our manager is inept and out of his depth.
I still would want players like Valencia, Rio, Cleverley and Young sold, even with a new manager.
These players have had more than enough time at this club, they need to be moved on and some fresh faces brought it who can make a difference on the pitch.
I wouldnt have any problems with selling Young and Valencia. Neither are good enough. Clev, I'd like to keep because am certain a better manager can get more out of him, he has it in him to be a good squad player for us. Rio will leave of his own accord so nothing to see there.
I don't think Cleverley would have played half as many games for United if he didn't come through the academy. Obviously it's great how we support our young players, but at 24 years old (25 in August) I don't think he has it in him to make it here. He went through a good patch under Sir Alex, playing well for both us and England, but that form has long gone. Even Anderson has spells where he looked good.
Cleverley doesn't have the ability of a Manchester United centre midfielder should have, he wouldn't have got anywhere near our title winning squad. We shouldn't lower our expectations, we need to strive for the best to be the best. Simple as.
You say?
You cannot have 5 top CMs in the squad. You need players who are willing to play a bit part role. Clev's strengths arent what he's being used for. Good managers either improve players or use them in a way suited to their skills. Our current style isnt suited to any of our good players, Clev is no different.
Could he do better? Ofcourse he could, he was poor yesterday. But he can do better, am certain of that.
Does anyone honestly think this side isn't capable of more than they've shown?
It'd be all right to give him time to redevelop the team and make some changes if he's actually shown that he's capable of taking us forward. So far he's only shown his cowardly approach to the game, lack of tactical background and awful decision making with some baffling team selections. We haven't had two good games in a row this season.
You could argue that the squad needs some rebuilding but it isn't the 7th best team in the league. It's not a team that should be humiliated by Olympiacos.
It'd be all right to give him time to redevelop the team and make some changes if he's actually shown that he's capable of taking us forward. So far he's only shown his cowardly approach to the game, lack of tactical background and awful decision making with some baffling team selections. We haven't had two good games in a row this season.
You could argue that the squad needs some rebuilding but it isn't the 7th best team in the league. It's not a team that should be humiliated by Olympiacos.
I'm all for giving managers time but he needs to go
Really hoped I would wake up to the news that he was sacked. Just how on earth is he still in charge...
Yep. Moyes has been excellent. It's the players, those fecking awful cnuts.
There needs to be some basis to give manager a time! We have none, absolutely none. He hasn't done a single thing that would make me think 'perhaps he has an idea about what he's doing and we ought to let him carry on'.
the real worry for me, is that united will stick with him this summer and give him loads of money to spend. Money that I don't think at the moment would be in particualarly safe hands!
I have stood by him the whole time, but this is the first time i am saying that i want him gone. It just hasn't worked out for him unfortunately and it is time to call it a day.
Put Giggs in charge until the end of the season, and that will give us time to line up a replacement. That is the one thing we have in our advantage now, time. As if we get rid of him now, our season is already over so it doesn't matter what happens anymore.
Put Giggs in charge until the end of the season, and that will give us time to line up a replacement. That is the one thing we have in our advantage now, time. As if we get rid of him now, our season is already over so it doesn't matter what happens anymore.
The question is, is there any chance of this actually happening this summer? Or are we going to give him a few years regardless how he performs..
Though a concern I think he's learnt his lesson. Even if he gets the money, he'l try and get top players in which should leave the next manager with a good team.
One in Russia where he we was sacked after two weeks and another one at a team who were sitting last in the league. Managing United was Moyes opportunity to show the doubters he was more than a 'average' manager but he has fecked it up. He will struggle to get a job at a top side again, I can't see anyone in the top 8 taking him on.
I think it'd take something very drastic to see him sacked in the summer. After years of talking about stability, giving the manager time, not taking hasty decisions etc and knowing Sir Alex's ego, I simply cant see him supporting Moyes's sacking. It then needs the board to overrule him which as I said would take something very big. Something like both Pool and City hammering us at home, the home crowd turning totally against him etc.
I think these would definitely make the board/owners have a re-think. Once the crowd start walking out, voicing their disapproval or critically not even turning up, then your whole investment is slowly going down the drain. It's a business world which has changed over the last ten fifteen years. They can implode very quickly.
I don't mind Moyes spending the money as it seems we'll be going after top players (if they are willing to come here), but I just don't think we'll ever see the best of the team whilst Moyes is in charge.
Oh don't worry if we play like we have been so far this season this is exactly what will happen.
The most disappointing element isn't even the results it's the performances and the constant refusal to learn from them. We're now seven months into the season and there's not any indication that any lessons have been learnt. Aside from the odd game here and there our set up, play and tactical approach has not changed. We're just bashing our head against a brick wall here. Anyone can see things aren't working and yet his answer is to do the same over and over again, as if what'll solve our woes is sheer bloody minded persistence rather than actually trying to deal with problems.
Nothing suggests he takes on board his portion of blame. If he did he wouldn't send the team out the the same tactical approach week after week. I've been desperate for a sign that he thinks, if only for a second: "Maybe it's me!". It's one thing to stick to your principles and another to look like a one trick pony who cannot adapt or even take on board criticism.
I thought at the weekend we played well. Granted Mata was cup-tied last night but it's fairly straight-forward to replace a cog in the wheel even if that cog is called Juan Mata. But after seeing that performance rather than sticking with the same system we immediately reverted back to type - unbelievably and IMO now, unforgivably. Effectively one man in midfield (dismissing Cleverley) and two out and out wingers and ensuring that Rooney and RVP suit each other like an elbow fits a glove. He learns NOTHING.
He is either trolling us by being intentionally obtuse or he simply isn't very good. Right now, I'm not sure which one I'd prefer
Nothing suggests he takes on board his portion of blame. If he did he wouldn't send the team out the the same tactical approach week after week. I've been desperate for a sign that he thinks, if only for a second: "Maybe it's me!". It's one thing to stick to your principles and another to look like a one trick pony who cannot adapt or even take on board criticism.
I thought at the weekend we played well. Granted Mata was cup-tied last night but it's fairly straight-forward to replace a cog in the wheel even if that cog is called Juan Mata. But after seeing that performance rather than sticking with the same system we immediately reverted back to type - unbelievably and IMO now, unforgivably. Effectively one man in midfield (dismissing Cleverley) and two out and out wingers and ensuring that Rooney and RVP suit each other like an elbow fits a glove. He learns NOTHING.
He is either trolling us by being intentionally obtuse or he simply isn't very good. Right now, I'm not sure which one I'd prefer