Moyes has to go

Moyes out?

  • Knee jerk/I object to the term knee jerk because I told you he was going to be rubbish in 2003

    Votes: 296 80.4%
  • Head in sand/My name is Baghdad Bob and everything is going to be OK

    Votes: 72 19.6%

  • Total voters
    368
  • Poll closed .
Here's a different question: not do you want him to go. Taking out your hatred/defending of Moyes, do you think he'll still by our manager by June 1st?

I think we're going to have 3 seasons of Moyes unless we have a sub-midtable finish in the 2nd year.
 
Yeah. Realized that but didn't bother to fix it. Honestly, I'd take him at United, given the chance. His Porto side was a beast.
So your solution to Moyes would be to employ someone that's has had two different jobs in the Premier League and failed at both of them? Jesus Christ, some people have already condemned us to mediocrity.
 
So your solution to Moyes would be to employ someone that's has had two different jobs in the Premier League and failed at both of them? Jesus Christ, some people have already condemned us to mediocrity.

Was Boas actually failed at Spurs?
 
I hope that behind the scenes they are acitively seeking a far more astute replacement.

I for one don't want them to sack him come the end of the season, to then rush into a replacement and getting it so very wrong again.
 
Was Boas actually failed at Spurs?

Have a look what he did when he was given £100million to spend. I'd be tearing my hair out watching him play the ridiculously high lines he likes to use at United and we don't have a keeper like Lloris that sweeps up and spares his blushes quite a lot of the time. Employing him would be a classic case of out of the frying pan and into the fire. AVB, Jesus wept. At least Moyes had done a pretty decent job at Everton before he came, has it really got to the stage where we start employing managers that have already been sacked by inferior clubs in the PL?
 
Moyes will not resign, so it's up to Malcolm to stand up to Fergie and Bobby and tell them their genius idea wasn't so genius after all.

Moyes has lost the respect of the players and it's a good bet he never had their respect.
 
Have a look what he did when he was given £100million to spend. I'd be tearing my hair out watching him play the ridiculously high lines he likes to use at United and we don't have a keeper like Lloris that sweeps up and spares his blushes quite a lot of the time. Employing him would be a classic case of out of the frying pan and into the fire. AVB, Jesus wept. At least Moyes had done a pretty decent job at Everton before he came, has it really got to the stage where we start employing managers that have already been sacked by inferior clubs in the PL?

Did he have total say on who to buy with that money? have you watched his Porto side?
 
Who are these 39 who want him to stay? Seriously have to question their support and sanity.

Sack him now, even Giggs as caretaker might be able to salvage something from this season.
 
The fact that he started Valencia and Young suggests that he was going for a 0-0 or nick a 1-0. That would be okay if we were playing at Camp Nou or the Bernabeu, but we were up against Olympiakos. He is too defensive for a club like United. Wrong man for the job I'm afraid. We all predicted he would be defensive because that was how he played at Everton but we all hoped he would change at United. That hasn't happened and I doubt it ever will. His level was at Everton. The step up to United is just too big for him. The entire caf predicted that we would play dire football as soon as we saw the lineups, and sadly our prediction was true.
 
Does he think just because Rooney and RVP start he can stick whoever he wants on and we'll win?

Yes, they're fantastic players, but they can't be expected to continuously keep pulling us out of the shit. I was one of the fans that actually preferred him over Mourinho, now I am finding it impossible to defend the man.

Moyes has lost the respect of the players and it's a good bet he never had their respect.

I wouldn't say he never had the respect, but I agree the players don't look half-arsed playing under him these days though.
 
Did he have total say on who to buy with that money? have you watched his Porto side?

His Porto side was good yeah, how long ago was that? Do Porto play in the Premier League? Are Porto one of the biggest clubs in the world? What about Champions League; did Porto do anything in that competition? It's an absolutely ludicrous suggestion i actually can't conceivably justify how anyone would think Moyes is completely incompetent, so lets get a manager that knows what he's doing, someone like Andre fecking Villas Boas. On what grounds does he deserve one of the biggest jobs in the world? He's already proven that he can't handle big personalities at Chelsea so i can't comprehend why bringing him to United would be a good idea. Even at Tottenham his goal was to get top four, remind me of how that went again? I know they were a good few points clear of Arsenal at one point... I'm sure you'd be lavishing him with praise as well if we were on the end of a 6-0 drubbing to City and a further 5-0 one to Liverpool as well. The fact of the matter is, he hasn't done anything successful outside Portugal in his managerial career and he certainly isn't ready to be handed the colossal task of piecing this side back together. Utter lunacy.
 
He won't walk, he will will want his compensation pay but his biggest worry will be finding a new job.
Moyes will have no trouble finding a new job. Muelensteen found two in the space of less than a year.
 
I can't believe 39 people voted for him to stay on. At least half those have to be on a WUM.
I voted for him to stay on but I'm not really happy with him. At the absolute most I'm willing to give him til next January. Though if things keep on getting worse, may be time to pull the trigger before then. It's a skill to know when is the right time to make big calls like sacking moyes or summat. Curious what the Glazers are thinking. They did sanction giving him a 6 year deal so I tend to feel he'll be sticking around for a bit
 
During the match thread last night I said there was no chance of him being sacked, after the game and the way we played, I have changed my mind, if he was sacked I would not be shocked, still dont think it was happen mind.
 
The worst thing is we were pretty poor at the start of season yet we have somehow managed to regress since. Put us in the same group in the CL now and we'd not qualify from it. Our form since the beginning of December has been absolutely terrible, even the run of 3 wins back then was based on one dodgy and one awful performance.

I fear to think where we are going to be the same time next year, I can honestly see us being bottom half team the way we are moving under Moyes.
 
It's not Moyes who needs to go, it's at least half the squad. All those who know anything about the game are now saying it.
 
I'd rather lose moyes than anyone in the squad. Let someone come in the rest of the season, bring some confidence back start getting some attractive football going then assess it at the end of the season.
 
Woeful. I'm just indifferent though, because we won't sack him and he won't resign.

The terrible results - six defeats in last 12 - is one thing, but the awful football, technically and tactically, is really hard to stomach. Moyes has taken us to the Dark Ages.
 
I was one of them that backed him at first but now he has to go for various reasons, but importantly there isn't any glimmer of improvement and it appears the players have not taken to his style.

You can do two things either get rid of the players who do not buy into what he is trying to achieve or the club dispenses of the services of the manager.

Also, my final point is can the club trust him to spend in excess of £100m this summer, will the potential targets want to play for him?
 
It's not Moyes who needs to go, it's at least half the squad. All those who know anything about the game are now saying it.

Seriously?

If Moyes stays and does get to build his team over the summer, we're only going to see more of the same bullshit hoof-ball tactics next season.

The players aren't responding, because they've lost faith in him and rightfully so. No other leading side in Europe plays the way we do under Moyes and it's no surprise that the players aren't convinced that this is the way forward.

One example is Van Persie, one of the very best, technically, in the world on his day with the ball at his feet, who was scoring for fun last season. Instead of playing to his strengths by getting players to make runs off him or for players to play him in through on goal down the middle, you've got Moyes, now asking him to receive the ball and bang it out wide and to leg it into the box to get his head on the ball. It's insane that we've hired someone to get the best out of the the team - only for him to ignore our obvious strengths and go for something new. No one asked him to re-invent the flipping wheel.

If you think that Moyes will suddenly and drastically change his tactics next season, with the additions of a few new players, you must be delusional. If, he is still here, god forbid, we are going to be challenging for a mid-table spot for a very long time.
 
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Its clear that he has definitely lost some of the playing staff completely. Look at Carrick's interview and Van Persie's and that performance was of a team with zero confidence.
 
At the rate he is going, 100mill will get us 3 players and not the 6 or so players that teh pundits think we need.

Then the next question is what sort of players will he get and if he does get the sack by the end of next season; will those players be any good to the next manager? Will we be skint by then to even offer the new manager a decent budget in 2015.

Cheaper option is to get rid of him.
 
For me it's a simple decision.

Has he done anything that leads you to believe he can turn it round? Simple answer, no.

He is surviving off the legacy of SAF, the fact it took him a couple of years to have a level of success with us and we all hoped Moyes would settle and be a top manager.

The circumstances in which SAF took over were different. We shouldn't just stick with Moyes out of hope or unfounded faith, you can't just put any manager in a job and think giving him time will guarantee success. Time to go Moyes
 
He's so far out of his depth he's like a giraffe standing in an inflatable paddling pool.

We probably wont sack him because Fergie will do everything to stop that happening, and we'll have to be different to every other top club and actually let the guy sink the ship and then get the divers in and drag it back up, as opposed to cutting loose the guy sinking it while it's still afloat.

Our only hope ironically is the greed of the Glazers, as businessmen they may act more swiftly and cut him off at the knees before it gets any worse.
 
Essentially if we don't sack him, we're giving him the license to learn on the fecking job. The arrogance and incompetence is staggering.
 
He's so far out of his depth he's like a giraffe standing in an inflatable paddling pool.

We probably wont sack him because Fergie will do everything to stop that happening, and we'll have to be different to every other top club and actually let the guy sink the ship and then get the divers in and drag it back up, as opposed to cutting loose the guy sinking it while it's still afloat.

Our only hope ironically is the greed of the Glazers, as businessmen they may act more swiftly and cut him off at the knees before it gets any worse.

Ditto thinking Sir Alex and co. are going to prolong his tenure here, im thinking possibly 3 years of this, strap yourself in because the ships going down with the captain.
 
I'm sick of hearing that the players are at fault and Moyes should be absolved of all blame. It's not wise selling half your squad and spend 150 million for a manager who may or may not be successful. It has never been done before, by any club. Because it's the wrong way to look at thing. Do you think the likes of Madrid or Bayern or Milan would've sold some of their biggest players for a manager who's not been able to utilise some key players properly ?

Some people have said that this is the worst and things will only improve as long as we put our faith in Moyes. But we've been saying that all season haven't we ? After the City humiliation we said ok now the fixtures are easy, things will improve. What happens ? We lose to teams like Brom and Southampton at home and barely won at Sunderland by 2 moments of magic from an 18 year old. We said ok we beat Arsenal maybe a corner has been turned ? Then we go on to draw abjectly at Cardiff before losing to Everton and Newcastle at home. We then said ok so what if we lost to Tottenham at home, we'll improve in the new year. But what happens ? We go out over 2 legs to freaking sunderland and have won a mighty 3 games since the turn of the year.

Moyes has done nothing to warrant our faith. If we saw even some little positive steps we could justify him being here long term. But there's been nothing. This is the same squad as last year when won the league at canter, with players signed for 65 million and the results have been unforgiving, the style of play has regressed to its worst in at least my living memory, the players look bereft of confidence and instead of inspiring them and building a siege mentality I was amazed to see Moyes looking abject last night for the umpteenth time. Tell me which player would be encouraged when his manager is looking lost in the dugout.

We have to get rid, the players are shattered, the results have been poor, the playing styled has hit an all time low, we've spent 65 million already and looks like he will cost us 60m + by not being in next year's CL, paid 300k to Wayne who's been so disrespectful to the club, maybe 70m + even next season if we again fail to qualify and may spend god knows who in the transfer window on rubbish players like 27 million Fellaini. When look at the positives there aren't many. Just showing blind faith in a manager not suited to the job will lead us nowhere. How can we be sure that it will work in the long term ?
 
I'm sick of hearing that the players are at fault and Moyes should be absolved of all blame. It's not wise selling half your squad and spend 150 million for a manager who may or may not be successful. It has never been done before, by any club. Because it's the wrong way to look at thing. Do you think the likes of Madrid or Bayern or Milan would've sold some of their biggest players for a manager who's not been able to utilise some key players properly ?

Some people have said that this is the worst and things will only improve as long as we put our faith in Moyes. But we've been saying that all season haven't we ? After the City humiliation we said ok now the fixtures are easy, things will improve. What happens ? We lose to teams like Brom and Southampton at home and barely won at Sunderland by 2 moments of magic from an 18 year old. We said ok we beat Arsenal maybe a corner has been turned ? Then we go on to draw abjectly at Cardiff before losing to Everton and Newcastle at home. We then said ok so what if we lost to Tottenham at home, we'll improve in the new year. But what happens ? We go out over 2 legs to freaking sunderland and have won a mighty 3 games since the turn of the year.

Moyes has done nothing to warrant our faith. If we saw even some little positive steps we could justify him being here long term. But there's been nothing. This is the same squad as last year when won the league at canter, with players signed for 65 million and the results have been unforgiving, the style of play has regressed to its worst in at least my living memory, the players look bereft of confidence and instead of inspiring them and building a siege mentality I was amazed to see Moyes looking abject last night for the umpteenth time. Tell me which player would be encouraged when his manager is looking lost in the dugout.

We have to get rid, the players are shattered, the results have been poor, the playing styled has hit an all time low, we've spent 65 million already and looks like he will cost us 60m + by not being in next year's CL, maybe 70m + even next season if we again fail to qualify and may spend god knows who in the transfer window on rubbish players like 27 million Fellaini. When look at the positives there aren't many.

Agreed. We've more than given him sufficient support, but he's so out of his depth, it's just taking the piss now if we don't sack him.
 
Ditto thinking Sir Alex and co. are going to prolong his tenure here, im thinking possibly 3 years of this, strap yourself in because the ships going down with the captain.
There is simply no way Moyes lasts 3 years under the Glazer ownership. He's gone in the summer, especially if a top manager becomes available.
 
It's not Moyes who needs to go, it's at least half the squad. All those who know anything about the game are now saying it.

Actually it's both. It isn't Moyes' fault the squad is so poor and it isn't the squad's fault Moyes is out of his depth. Two seperate problems, both need to be fixed.

There's enough blame to go around. The players, Moyes, Woodward, SAF and the Glazers all played a part in this nightmare. Frankly the only people to come out of this well are the fans.
 
Like I said, he'll resign if we don't qualify for next round.
 
I'm sick of hearing that the players are at fault and Moyes should be absolved of all blame. It's not wise selling half your squad and spend 150 million for a manager who may or may not be successful. It has never been done before, by any club. Because it's the wrong way to look at thing. Do you think the likes of Madrid or Bayern or Milan would've sold some of their biggest players for a manager who's not been able to utilise some key players properly ?
Real Madrid, Bayern or Milan wouldn't have let it get to the stage where the squad has so many players over 30. They would have engaged in a process of gradually lowering the age of the squad in order to ensure continuity. Fergie didn't do that, now Moyes is left with no option but to have a mass clearout.
 
Actually it's both. It isn't Moyes' fault the squad is so poor and it isn't the squad's fault Moyes is out of his depth. Two seperate problems, both need to be fixed.

There's enough blame to go around. The players, Moyes, Woodward, SAF and the Glazers all played a part in this nightmare. Frankly the only people to come out of this well are the fans.
I agree with this assessment. Fans apart, everyone has their share from the blame pot.
 
Him or Simeone...


Considering the number of rival fans on the Caf, I'm not surprised, every non-United fan is very supportive of Moyes getting a contract extension.

Got that right. Im just pissed off that even in your new most rubbish incarnation we still couldn't beat you let alone flog you!
 
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