Moyes has to go

Moyes out?

  • Knee jerk/I object to the term knee jerk because I told you he was going to be rubbish in 2003

    Votes: 296 80.4%

  • Head in sand/My name is Baghdad Bob and everything is going to be OK

    Votes: 72 19.6%
  • Total voters
    368
  • Poll closed .
I'm struggling to keep finding reasons to stick with him. Half of me thinks that the squad does need a bit of an overhaul and that we've had rotten luck at the worst moments (deflections, own goals, keeping errors, etc). The other half just read the thread JHC started on the Everton forum where most of the replies said he's a decent manager who is out of his depth.

What is upsetting me the most is that the confidence is draining completely from the club. I expected us to get a draw at best tonight. I never thought like that under Fergie. We go a goal down and it's game over. I never thought like that under Fergie. In the past, if we needed to score we would camp inside the opposition third until we did it or died trying. Now we're more likely to concede another. This is what being a Liverpool fan for the last 20 years feels like. No wonder they're loving this :lol:
 
Mozza said:
I don't mean lower level as in leagues below, more lower level within the same league, so Lampard to Chelsea or Yorke to United, players who have shown something at a lesser team to suggest they could step up
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I meant that too. Lampard was 22 years old when he joined Chelsea, he was a young player. I grant you Yorke though, he is one of the good examples who succesfully made the jump.

Better examples are players who are fully developed when they make the jump. Players like Fellaini, Young, Downing, Adam etc.
 
I'd like to be proved wrong but Moyes is out of his depth here, I did say keep faith for another season but he's made us a laughing stock and lost the support of the players.
He's been shite since pre season with no signs of improvement
 
Danny1982 said:
How does resting one of your best players for the only competition you have a chance of getting a respectable result in make any sense?
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What Moyes has done is absolute nonsense. I just dont understand why people say he still needs time? What else does he need? Its time for us to say goodbye to Moyes immediately.
 
Leroy The Red said:
He could be forced out. There's so much a man can handle. He's been very very lucky with the fans and media not being too critical of him but it'll change after last night. The media will go after him tomorrow (they already have tonight) and the fans will do the same eventually.
Last nights pain will seem like a massage if Liverpool and city leave Old Trafford with 3 points each in the space of 9 days.
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Yeah, defeats against your two biggest rivals and getting knocked out of Europe will be the turning point for a lot of supporters. He will have the support at away games but I can see supporters at home turning on him.
 
Mozza said:
£22 million spent in 10 years leaving a greatly improved squad, a good record with finding players, a club well secure in the top half of the table
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This is Manchester United, the biggest brand in World sport, the biggest fanbase in World sport, winning trophies consistently for the past 20 years and and expected by our fanbase and sponsors to continue doing so, what you have quoted there is the biggest limp dick couple of sentences you could imagine when throwing a cv in...
 
A month ago I was saying we should give him another transfer window to sort things. I was hopeful things would improve but even if they didn't I still thought he should be given that time.

Things have actually got worse though, something I genuinely didn't think could happen. That's what's really indefensible right now. Not the position we're in but the fact that we're still sinking, and at an accelerating rate.

Right now it looks like we're more likely to get worse than to improve. How can we justify being in such a state?
 
3 wins in 2014.

The coaching staff has no idea what they are doing. I'm frankly surprised that Giggs hasn't taken more of a leadership role in an attempt to right things...

Ta-ra Moyes.
 
I'm still in a state of utter astonishment and disbelief that the club has somehow managed to hoodwink Januzaj, Mata, and now Rooney into signing on with the club.
 
johnmufc said:
I'm still in a state of utter astonishment and disbelief that the club has somehow managed to hoodwink Januzaj, Mata, and now Rooney into signing on with the club.
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Money talks. City got players the same way. The only way to compete in 2014/post SAF era is to have cash. The game as we know it has more or less been destroyed by giant wads of cash...
 
Holy mother of God.

Didn't see the game due to timezone, but feck me what a dissapointment. I was always under the impression to give him time if I could see some sort of progress, which we saw last match. But, to go and stick Valencia and Young back into that team, then for them all to play like pansies is taking a massive leap in the wrong direction.

Is he really that short-sighted? Does he understand what the hell he is doing? Even I can't defend the undefenderable, he is going to need a miracle to start winning the fans back. I don't see the board sacking him yet, but if the fans start showing their dismay during games then their hand maybe forced.

Disgraceful.
 
30 votes for no ? :eek:

Name and shame. Nothing other than utter humiliation will do for the heretics.
 
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Right, on the one hand - I think he's way out of his depth, he isn't the man to turn it around, and the longer he stays, the more and more damage he will do... and left too long, he could seriously harm this club.

But on the other hand, I think that might just be me being completely irrational and i should probably go to bed.
 
Hernandez - BFA said:
He won't be sacked mid season in my opinion.
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He wasn't. We're about to be in the last third of the season and we're out of every single competition (last chance to stay in champions league is if moyes leaves by then). There really is no benefit to keeping him.
 
I almost got excited there until I seen it was Custis and the Sun...

I have better sources at United than them clowns.
 
Come on, we might not have got any worse if we are manager-less anyway. His presence is a burden. Anyone replacing him will not get any worse.
 
Will Absolute said:
A face-saving compromise:

They both step down: Kim takes over the reins at Old Trafford, and Moyes become dictator of North Korea.
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Only if we get Dennis Rodman as Assistant Manager. He has great pedigree wearing shorts for a living.

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bosnian_red said:
He wasn't. We're about to be in the last third of the season and we're out of every single competition (last chance to stay in champions league is if moyes leaves by then). There really is no benefit to keeping him.
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Exactly, the best thing we could do is sack him, put a caretaker manager in till the end of the season and see if they can get a bit of a reaction from the squad. That gives the board enough time to choose the manager they want and have him ready to take charge at the end of the season.

That should be Klopp imo, get a decision from him soon, and he can start making plans about what to do with the squad in the summer.
 
I think he's buggered. There's no room for sentiment and there's no such thing as time at this level. Its one thing having a bad run. Everybody has them. Its another thing seeing what happened out there tonight. There wasnt a bit of confidence you could take out of tonight that Moyes has any idea how to get the best out of this team. What do you do with him? Give him the summer and hope he finds a formula? Or go with the easy option of just sacking him and significantly backing a new manager. A manager who only has to follow David Moyes and not Sir Alex Ferguson. One things for sure, the transition from Moyes to the next manager will be a lot easier than following Ferguson. Who would that be? God knows. But Man United aren't in the business to be dropping out of the top 4. I cant see past a reaction from the board at the end of this season.
 
The RedCafe hierarchy will dismiss any Moyes criticism, but I fully support the #MoyesOut brigade. We're going nowhere but down under him. I think the player's want him sacked. Unfortunately, in this case, it is them who will go.
Moyes is a good manager who did a good job at Everton, he's far from the moron some portray him to be. But fecking hell he's way over his head here. We're above him.
 
Revan said:
Play even worse, get embarrased by City/Liverpool, all players lose completely the confidence and by the time we decide to sack him next season we might be again out of the race for the fourth place (especially with players who will be completely destroyed). And some money burned on some shit players after we can't get our unrealistic targets. By the time the new manager will come, our team might be completely destroyed.

Basically this is my worst case scenario and unfortunately I don't think that is far from reality if we don't get rid of Moyes on the summer. If we give him time until Christmass (IMO) it would be free money to win if we bet that we won't qualify for UCL yet again.
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I think the confidence factor is overstated, these aren't fragile depressed savants. If we spend money this off season I believe it will be done wisely, and I'm of the opinion he should be sacked by October (not Christmas) if things don't start to look better. Basically, I've conceded ground from my original argument that he should be granted 2 full uninterrupted years.

Mauzindark said:
30 votes for no ? :eek:

Name and shame. Nothing other than utter humiliation will do for the heretics.
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What is your problem? 30 people have their reasons for saying no, deal with it.
 
Thing is, it's gone past the point where the people who want Moyes gone are some kind of rabble of impatient idiots. The vast majority of normal, rational and disinterested football fans would look at our current situation and say Moyes has failed so far. They would also say there is very, very little prospect of him turning things around. This is now the logical and reasonable majority point of view.
 
Sacking managers when you third or fourth. Silly like Chelsea have done.

This is not the case.
 
I don't know how anyone can even try to insinuate that this reaction is knee jerk. We've been terrible for months are we're only getting worse.
 
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