Yeah, March is a big month, three home games , Liverpool, City, Olympiakos, in the likely event we lose all those games, he will lose the whole of Old Trafford, without question. He's been lucky in that the grumblings have been limited to the Internet but once Old Trafford voice there discontent as one, the pressure will become too much and maybe he might even do the decent thing and walk out the door.
Moyes has to go
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Yeah, March is a big month, three home games , Liverpool, City, Olympiakos, in the likely event we lose all those games, he will lose the whole of Old Trafford, without question. He's been lucky in that the grumblings have been limited to the Internet but once Old Trafford voice there discontent as one, the pressure will become too much and maybe he might even do the decent thing and walk out the door.
Ahem.
Nice try
I did not vote, because I think this should be about what the supporters think, not a neutral with sympathies for United. I basically get nothing out of seeing you guys struggle under Moyes. If anything I want you guys to get past Piräus so there is a chance my team plays you in the next round. Then I finally have a real reason to watch a game at the OT.
For what its worth, this was my opinion of this whole matter after the Fulham game, which has not changed until now:
If there is a clause allowing us to get rid of Moyes for nothing at the end of the season, we could try to offer Moyes a sum equal to, say, 1.05X, where X is Moyes's total wages until May. I bet that there is a good chance that he would take it.
I do want Moyes to leave now. One has to wonder, however, whom we could bring in to serve as our interim manager.
There's a massive difference between PL success at Everton and PL success at United. The work he did at Everton only has so much relevance at an elite club.
Everything jumps up a notch here. Expectations, pressure, standards, quality of player and quality of management needed to succeed. We're expected to perform like an elite club in Europe and in the PL. That standard of performance was never, ever required of him at Everton. It wasn't even close.
Nobody thought Moyes was a bad manager but it certainly looked like he was being promoted to a station way beyond the the qualities he had shown up to then. By appointing him as our manager we were saying he was one of the best managers in Europe, up there with Guardiola, Mourinho and Ancelotti. The good job he did at Everton really wasn't enough for us to make that claim. That's why people were against him, not out of some kind of pro-foreigner bias.
The poll has been sabotaged.
True but that team at the time did great things for us last season result-wise in the league, so it was far less baffling for Ferguson to pick that side.
The problem with Moyes picking that same side is that this season it has proven to let him down time after time... last weekend against Crystal Palace seemed like the start of something new but it turns out to be just Moyes' way of putting his B team out and resting some key players like Valencia to do the business on the biggest night of our season.
It appears he absorbs information like a block of concrete.
Why has the poll been messed up?
anybody voting yes now, votes for Eboue so the real score is 87%. the stick or sack thread had 74% support for Moyes 6 weeks ago. amazing turn around.
anybody voting yes now, votes for Eboue so the real score is 87%. the stick or sack thread had 74% support for Moyes 6 weeks ago. amazing turn around.
I don't remember voting for him but I would take Eboue as the new boss.
What's the use of giving him until the end of the season and then sacking him though?What is even remotely likely to change between now and then?
Is this real?
but the majority of these people were calling those who didnt want Moyes as plastic fans and all this...its amazing how it now appears the entire population of united fans now wants him out.
I belive the idea is that he'd make the step up, in the same way you sign players from a lower level in the belife that they can make the step up
Yeah I think this isn't going to work out.
Trying to think of a worse performance than tonight and struggling, we were actually sh*t tonight, no other way to put it. It's awful and it will get worse as we have harder teams than Olympiacos to face. No one is saying sack him off now, but I wouldn't be against a managerial change in the summer.
How can you hand a warchest to him?
Spend 100m and nothing changes or even worse tries to shoe horn players in rather than adapt to get the best out of his big money signings?
Trying to think of a worse performance than tonight and struggling, we were actually sh*t tonight, no other way to put it. It's awful and it will get worse as we have harder teams than Olympiacos to face. No one is saying sack him off now, but I wouldn't be against a managerial change in the summer.
How can you hand a warchest to him?
Spend 100m and nothing changes or even worse tries to shoe horn players in rather than adapt to get the best out of his big money signings?
It doesn't matter really. The result is pretty clear.
These are not our objectives
The owners do not really mind if we actually win trophies or not. They believe we can still sell shirts without winning anything. They have their own man in now in Ed Woodward. His interest is the Glazers interest. I believe that Moyes was brought in because he was able to keep Everton above mid table on a small budget. It is my belief that they are so sure that he will be able to keep United higher than he kept Everton as he would have a larger budget. Hence the reason for a 6 year contract. I do however not think that Moyes is good enough for United. And I am sure most people can see that now.
Going OTT over a Moyes quote shocker.
What cracks me up is you've still got the likes of Roy Keane, Dixon, Savage saying Man United need loads of new players. Damn, the championship winning side + £70m spent and Moyes can't top the team that he topped often with Everton and is getting beaten by the Greek champs. Something is clearly wrong and its not the players IMO (even if we could do with a top class CM + LB).
How much more money can they honestly thing Moyes would need to get MUFC up to where they were, hell even top 4 would be amazing. Tonight was laughable, first goal fair enough, real bad luck but this bad luck seems to be happening too often, mainly because we have lots of possession but only about 5 shots a game at goal.
Wanted to give him to the end but if we do go out after the second leg, then that's it, time to move on. Pellegrini, Ancelloti etc didn't need this amount of time to settle. We can't be that bad that he needs a full season surely?
How much more money can they honestly thing Moyes would need to get MUFC up to where they were, hell even top 4 would be amazing. Tonight was laughable, first goal fair enough, real bad luck but this bad luck seems to be happening too often, mainly because we have lots of possession but only about 5 shots a game at goal.
Wanted to give him to the end but if we do go out after the second leg, then that's it, time to move on. Pellegrini, Ancelloti etc didn't need this amount of time to settle. We can't be that bad that he needs a full season surely?
Van Gaal wants a job
How does resting one of your best players for the only competition you have a chance of getting a respectable result in make any sense?
Honestly after how started in 2014, I'd celebrate the sacking of him more than our last title.
It's Feburary and my United season is already over.
It's Feburary and my United season is already over.
Indeed, we were hoping we'd spotted a potentially elite manager in the rough, based totally on SAF's recomendation. Big risk to take with the most important decision the club has made in 20 odd years. If ever there was a time to go for proven quality...
I know, it's evidence he knows how to run a football team, how to build a squad etc.
I disagree. He's a very smart man and he desperately wants a club he can have full control of and the respect of his superiors. Given the United environment and the guidance of Sir Alex and Sir Bobby I think he'd have thrived here and settled for 8 years+ Which is as long as you could wish any manager to commit.
It doesn't, that's why Moyes did it.
I mean, our best performance of the year on Saturday, so what did Moyes do tonight? ............. He changed EVeRyTHING, the personnel, tactics and formation.
David Moyes doesn't deal with this "making sense" malarky.
Who keeps messing with the poll
Moyes?Who keeps messing with the poll
Well, it was a circus at Madrid, and he left Inter as a poorer team (maybe not his fault). He's a proven winner though.
He won't walk, he will will want his compensation pay but his biggest worry will be finding a new job.
Which rarely happens to be fair. Usually all the players who you sign from lower level (obviouly I am exclusing the young ones because that would be the equivalent of hiring an Ole or a Laudrup, not a proven 50 years old manager) doesn't do the tradition well to big clubs. The only exceptions I can remember are Milito and Barzagli.
Yes but they weren't calling you plastic fans for thinking he was doing badly, just for wanting him gone at that stage. The idea was that it was too early to judge, not that your judgement wouldn't prove to be correct. There's no contradiction between thinking we were right to stick with him a few months ago and wanting him gone now.
Plus it wasn't the majority calling people plastic fans, the majority had their doubt but were cautiously and optimistically waiting to see what happened.
He could be forced out. There's so much a man can handle. He's been very very lucky with the fans and media not being too critical of him but it'll change after last night. The media will go after him tomorrow (they already have tonight) and the fans will do the same eventually.
Last nights pain will seem like a massage if Liverpool and city leave Old Trafford with 3 points each in the space of 9 days.
When does anything Moyes has done since he got the job made any sense?
When you look at some of the performances tonight in a match of such importance from people like Rooney and Carrick, players who will be here next season and are part of the fulcrum of the team, it is abysmal. The performances were not just poor, they were inconceivable, it was like they were suffering from illness and didn't want to be there, how do you account for that? And if the manager, after another horrendous performance, in his post match press conference sits back all relaxed and smiling... embarrassing, incompetent, a mess, but you get the impression he is doing it knowing he has the full support from whoever it is at the club he is answerable to. The fans deserve better imo, just another example that he doesn't truly understand the depth or scope of the football club.
I don't mean lower level as in leagues below, more lower level within the same league, so Lampard to Chelsea or Yorke to United, players who have shown something at a lesser team to suggest they could step up
Do not fill our heads with these vile notions.Would you rather...
Two more years of Moyes and we finish 4th or Moyes is sacked tomorrow and we win the league?
