Moyes has to go

Moyes out?

  • Knee jerk/I object to the term knee jerk because I told you he was going to be rubbish in 2003

    Votes: 296 80.4%

  • Head in sand/My name is Baghdad Bob and everything is going to be OK

    Votes: 72 19.6%
  • Total voters
    368
  • Poll closed .
Harry Redknapp>David Moyes. More trophies, better football.
 
Mozza said:
I was never delighted to have him, just not a knee jerk hater because he wasn't a foreigner
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Seems like the knee jerk haters were onto something as results, team selection and utter dross football are showing.
 
Gladiator said:
was just clarifying the situation. i thought you were one of those who said it wasn a bad decision to sack fergie's coaching staff
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Ah right.

Yeah pretty important stuff. Glad it was cleared up for you.
 
Someone said:
No offense to moyes, somethings just don't work out, he's a good manager, but clearly it's not working for him here, forget shit tactics, he just can't get the players to be confident again, they're shattered, i've said it before, this isn't about our midfield or aging players, it's about players playing way below their standards, moyes is the kind of manager you'd want to succeed at the club, but it's not working at all.
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I agree with this, however he is trying to get the players to play they are not responding
 
Seveneric said:
What does this even mean? That Ferguson shouldn't have backed him so that the media would have been able to tear into him and he'd have gotten fired, what?
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Its quite simple what it means:

He shouldn't have appointed him in the first place and he shouldn't have made such a big deal about the supporters standing by him (almost making it feel like a dutty).
 
NoArroJusBeta said:
Its quite simple what it means:

He shouldn't have appointed him in the first place and he shouldn't have made such a big deal about the supporters standing by him (almost making it feel like a dutty).
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It's not a duty that supporters should stand by their new manager? Obviously Fergie didn't know it would be this bad and by "standing by your manager", he obviously meant through the hiccups that most new managers face, but I doubt it was anything on this level.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I never wanted him in the first place and was very vocal about it.
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Very few people actually wanted him. Once he was appointed some people never gave him a chance, some people started acting like he was an obviously brilliant choice and the majority decided to be patient, optimistic and see what happened.

At this point the majority seems to have accepted he's going to fail here and those who convinced themselves Moyes was the right man are very quiet or have changed their mind.

To be honest I think the vast majority of United fans have been remarkably patient but we can only kid ourselves for so long. Things are actually getting worse and there's no real reason to think it'll change.
 
Ash_G said:
As bad as we've been I just couldn't see how we could lose this but that was undoubtedly one of the worst united displays I can remember seeing in a season of poor displays.

I mean how many times can we make the same mistakes/cause our own problems before the penny drops? I'm not even talking about sacking him (although I'm very close to the Moyes Out category now. Just in general, how can you not see the same pattern of problems and not address it.

Firstly in both cup ties it's been us playing the occassion rather than the team. Sunderland/Olymp aren't exactly the teams you should fear away from home, where's the ambition or belief in the team.

But even then fair enough you can say we're not playing well, lets just get a draw/grind a win and take it to OT, but you have to play to your strengths. All season we've struggled to look solid. You can drop Rooney and sometimes it helps but too often the positioning just isn't there and players aren't on the same wavelength. In the opening parts of the games there were times when Clev was randomly leaving the centre to press someone on the wing when both Young and Evra were already there. sometimes you had two players marking one man and sometimes no one was marking someone in a clear danger area.

So right away trying to play defensive doesn't work when you keep making mistakes at the back and your tactical positioning/decision making isn't there.

Then, the thing I find most annoying is that there's no threat on the counter at all. As soon as we even touch the ball, half the attacking players are running up the pitch and out of sight. I mean Vidic/Rio/Carrick could do more to bring the ball up the pitch a little, but particularly for Carrick so often he gets the ball and there is no one there. And even if say Clev has actually stayed nearby he literally comes short gives it back and then runs off to somewhere where no one can get it to him. We've seen it so many times, we can barely get out of our own half because there's just no patience. The few times there we are, we created something.

Ultimately though you could just see the players came out negatively and as a result played slow and carelessly and as much as you can blame some players and some of them were awful, you have to say is the manager getting them fired up? Clearly not. Has he got them organised? No we repeatedly look completely open as soon as anyone, regardless of who they are moves towards out players with the ball. Has he got the attack working? No, continually he's opted for allowing the key creative points come through our worst creative players atm.

People can say that he needed time to assess the squad but the key issues, weaknesses centrally and out wide, and recurring defensive injuries are something that I think he should just know, any neutral/rival who watches the PL regularly would be able to tell you that. This is his job, he's got no excuses for that.
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the issue with the counters ash has been going on for so long. we really struggle with counters unless the game is open
 
I'd go as far to say it's a farce that he is still manager. If this was any other elite club he would have been gone by now, but we seem to have this perception as a club that we are superior to other clubs and we stick by our principles of longevity. Old-fashioned principles and morals have ultimately been one of many factors in our undoing.
 
Kevin said:
Seems like the knee jerk haters were onto something as results, team selection and utter dross football are showing.
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But still knee jerk, guessing doesn't make you a genius

That team tonight might well have played last season
 
Theon said:
Ah right.

Yeah pretty important stuff. Glad it was cleared up for you.
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lol you're something else.

I jsut remember a lot of people on here said it was perfectly fine decision to not keep previous coaching staff. As they say hindsight is 20/20
 
Gladiator said:
the issue with the counters ash has been going on for so long. we really struggle with counters unless the game is open
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That's partly my point though, you can't set up to be cautious when you don't defend well and you can't counter. I mean how many times does one style of football have to cost you before you think twice about it.
 
Dominos said:
All managers are helpless to their players making mistakes. Fergie had to endure it.

You're not going to persuade me by coincidence our players have been saving up their mistakes over the years and only now are they releasing them onto the field.

He's probably destroyed their confidence, not motivating them the right way or getting them in the right frame of mind, and combined with poor coaching, what we saw tonight is the result.

On the players trying or not - the fact is, if we can get a manager to come in and get them putting the effort in that won us trophies, that's a better solution than getting rid of 25 players to appease an incompetent manager.
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I'm not trying to convince you of anything and of course it'd be madness to get rid of the players to appease Moyes, but my point simply is that I think all the blame going to Moyes is very unrealistic and he simply cannot be responsible(at least directly) for some repeated amateurish errors this season, maybe the players don't want to play for him? Who knows, but they're responsible for some of the showings this season too.
 
sullydnl said:
Very few people actually wanted him. Once he was appointed some people never gave him a chance, some people started acting like he was an obviously brilliant choice and the majority decided to be patient, optimistic and see what happened.

At this point the majority seems to have accepted he's going to fail here and those who convinced themselves Moyes was the right man are very quiet or have changed their mind.

To be honest I think the vast majority of United fans have been remarkably patient but we can only kid ourselves for so long. Things are actually getting worse and there's no real reason to think it'll change.
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100% agreed.

For me it was the Stoke game where I finally realized it. Whenever we needed a big statement, he simply couldn't get the team for it. Some okish wins like against Palace make you forget that but in 2014 we lost 7 games out 12. We are not improving and with Vidic one of our most important players will be leaving the club, partly because of Moyes. SAF didn't leave a mess to Moyes, all we needed was a creative CM and a new understudy for Carrick. But he simply can't get it done. To fit our players into good tactics, train them like champions.

It would be suicidal to give this man the funds to overhaul this squad. He has shown only that he isn't good enough. When players like RvP get vocal about tactics, you know players that used to train under the best, it's easy to see that Moyes is out of his depth.
 
Mozza said:
But still knee jerk, guessing doesn't make you a genius
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Of course not. However rationally explaining the obvious thing that Moyes is so fecking shit makes you less stupid than religiously believing that Moyes will somehow turn out to be good despite everything pointed to the contrary.
 
Lance Uppercut said:
I never wanted him in the first place and was very vocal about it.
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Same. It was so obvious that he'd be shit here. Nobody expected this shit to be honest, but I never thought, and still don't think obviously, that he'd ever have it in him to challenge for trophies, or get us playing attacking football. Everton were dire to watch for the last 10 years and there were quite a few Everton fans who got a little tired of his shit after the last 4-5 years of no improvement what so ever. That was obviously his peak and he's definitely showing that now.

Crazy how we picked such an inexperienced manager to be United's boss. He's an amateur when it comes to managing a top team, playing attacking football, or challenging for trophies. Absolute amateur. Appointing Ole would have made more sense, given he's actually won back to back titles with Molde in his young career and had them playing attacking football.
 
Mozza said:
But still knee jerk, guessing doesn't make you a genius

That team tonight might well have played last season
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It wasn't knee jerk, there was nothing in Moyes' history to suggest he would succeed at this level. If the evidence points to him being the wrong man then how can it be knee jerk? Knee jerk would be saying he's the right man just because he's the one we picked.
 
Mozza said:
But still knee jerk, guessing doesn't make you a genius

That team tonight might well have played last season
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Knee jerk or clear reasoning which white knights like yourself decided to dismiss? A fine line heh heh.

So are you still confident in Moyes after he has broken another record for United?
 
#07 said:
Agree on media, think you are being unfair to the fans. Just cos people arent screaming 'Moyes out' doesn't mean they're happy with the cak being served up. They are proud that the fans are sticking behind the team and not making things worse, which they would be if the ground turned poisonous. People need something to feel good about mate, don't hate them for clinging to something regardless of how small.
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I do see your point and it does come down to the individual of course but I don't think the overwhelming support for Moyes is appropriate personally. It's surprising to me that the majority are of that opinion.
 
sullydnl said:
It wasn't knee jerk, there was nothing in Moyes' history to suggest he would succeed at this level. If the evidence points to him being the wrong man then how can it be knee jerk? Knee jerk would be saying he's the right man just because he's the one we picked.
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Bravo. Infatuated with top posts like this.
 
Empire said:
For the record he shouldn't be sacked. I voted no, well not yet he shouldn't anyway.

If Woodward is smart (and I think he is), if the lawyers writing the United contracts know what they're doing (and I think they do) they would have inserted a clause where they could force him to resign if they wished should he fail to make top four.

He has under-performed considerably and therefore mandatory resignation and so no severance pay is fair.
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Zero chance he does t get at least a year's pay.
 
Im convinced finally that he doesn't have it. Voted yes. Its not so much the result but the fact that there is no visible improvement that puts me off.
 
If we get knocked out next month it should be end of Moyes, but it won't be. He will stick around for another season and we will spend big in summer but I can't see us improving.
 
Revan said:
Of course not. However rationally explaining the obvious thing that Moyes is so fecking shit makes you less stupid than religiously believing that Moyes will somehow turn out to be good despite everything pointed to the contrary.
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I agree to an extent, I do not belive Moyes is fecking shit, his record at Everton is enough to show that, however its not working at United for whatever reason
 
If we remove the opposition posters votes for "no", what are we at? 98%?

Laughable.
 
Blimey.

I think he should be sacked a few months into next season if he hasn't made significant progress. He can't do any more harm till then, and it seems he is scouting the right prospects (Kroos, Coentrao), so even if he left us, we would have building blocks for the next great team. If we look the same a few months in I'll ship the gasoline for the bonfire over.

Some of the players have been an utter disgrace, and hopefully they feck off this summer.
 
Would you rather...

Two more years of Moyes and we finish 4th or Moyes is sacked tomorrow and we win the league?

:D
 
verminater said:
Everton have a game in hand. Heynkes is not working. Mourinho is in a different league to last year and has improved his team.
Apart from that, you make complete sense.:wenger:
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Your original post was based entirely on the performance of their former team, so I don't see what Maureen moving leagues and Heynkes not working has to do with anything.
 
Mozza said:
I agree to an extent, I do not belive Moyes is fecking shit, his record at Everton is enough to show that, however its not working at United for whatever reason
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He did very good (in first five years) at Everton and okay since then. He lacks all the attributes for this kind of job though. Being good at keeping teams at midtable doesn't mean that you're good at managing the best teams. Pulis and Allardyce are excellent at keeping teams in the league but they wouldn't do good in a big job.
 
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