Moyes' first signing?

If we were to sign Fellaini, i would hope it would be along side a dynamic passing midfielder to give us that versatility. Fellaini on it own i would be content with.

We may end up losing Rooney, Nani Anderson, Fletcher and Scholes So think we should be looking to sign 2 Midfielders along with a winger/forward
 
RedRover said:
He is one of the best midfielders in the PL. The big sides will all be sniffing around him.

What does "he shouldnt be good enough" mean? He clearly would be if he's betyter than what we have in that area - or do you think we should have Xavi and Iniesta?

I'm surprised at all the stick Fellaini is getting on here. We lack a defensive midfield player, and rather than just go for a ball winner who rusn round like a headless chicken for 90 miniutes, I'd prefer if we went for someone who has a bit more to his game.

Fellaini is a hard worker, seems to relish the big games and is totally different to anything we have. He's learned trade in the PL and deserves a chance to step up a level. I think he'd fit right in personally. Make us stronger as a unit in midfield.
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"Good enough" depends on what you're aiming for. If you're just looking to improve on what we have then I guess Fellaini is good enough, as is any player who's better than Cleverly (our 2nd best cm). If you're looking for a player that makes our cm as good as it was the last time we won the CL then no, I don't think Fellaini is "good enough". If you're looking for a player that's good enough to get into any of the best teams in Europe then no, Fellaini isn't near good enough. If you want Fellaini as a squad player then that's fine, if you're expecting him to bring our midfield to the same level as our rivals for the CL then you'll be disappointed, imo.

As for what should be good enough for us, that's simple: we should have one of the best midfields in Europe. We claim to be one of the biggest and best clubs in Europe so we should be ambitious enough to say that any aspect of our team that doesn't match up to our rivals in Europe needs improving. That doesn't mean Xavi or Iniesta but it does mean players better than Fellaini in our 1st team.
 
buckooo1978 said:
Fellaini scares teams the same way Andy Carroll does

I'd like to think we'd target a player with more technical ability rather than someone who dictates they way you play in order to get the best out of him

I think Fellaini is limited in terms of footballing ability

edit - Dembele would have been a better fit for us
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He's not a striker ffs.
 
sullydnl said:
"Good enough" depends on what you're aiming for. If you're just looking to improve on what we have then I guess Fellaini is good enough, as is any player who's better than Cleverly (our 2nd best cm). If you're looking for a player that makes our cm as good as it was the last time we won the CL then no, I don't think Fellaini is "good enough". If you're looking for a player that's good enough to get into any of the best teams in Europe then no, Fellaini isn't near good enough. If you want Fellaini as a squad player then that's fine, if you're expecting him to bring our midfield to the same level as our rivals for the CL then you'll be disappointed, imo.

As for what should be good enough for us, that's simple: we should have one of the best midfields in Europe. We claim to be one of the biggest and best clubs in Europe so we should be ambitious enough to say that any aspect of our team that doesn't match up to our rivals in Europe needs improving. That doesn't mean Xavi or Iniesta but it does mean players better than Fellaini in our 1st team.
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Firstly, you seem very sure that he isn't good enough. He's stood out for an average side, and it stands to reason that in a better side he'd improve.

You have big ideas there but I don't see you naming any alternatives. I could give you five players I'd rather have - but they're all almost certainly unattainable.

What people love to do is chuck in flavour if the month players from foreign countries where the league us often nowhere near the standard of the PL or even where it is, a player may represent a huge risk. Last year everyone was shouting for Sahin - great on paper, utter shite when he turned up in the PL.

For me we need someone with presence in midfield so Carrick doesn't have to do all the donkey work. If that player carries a threat going forward and has more to his game all the better. Fellaini represents a good option and I can't think if many others. I also think he has a lot of potential and surrounded by better players could become a real mainstay at a top side.
 
RedRover said:
Firstly, you seem very sure that he isn't good enough. He's stood out for an average side, and it stands to reason that in a better side he'd improve.

You have big ideas there but I don't see you naming any alternatives. I could give you five players I'd rather have - but they're all almost certainly unattainable.

What people love to do is chuck in flavour if the month players from foreign countries where the league us often nowhere near the standard of the PL or even where it is, a player may represent a huge risk. Last year everyone was shouting for Sahin - great on paper, utter shite when he turned up in the PL.

For me we need someone with presence in midfield so Carrick doesn't have to do all the donkey work. If that player carries a threat going forward and has more to his game all the better. Fellaini represents a good option and I can't think if many others. I also think he has a lot of potential and surrounded by better players could become a real mainstay at a top side.
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I've seen a fair bit of Everton, especially this season, and I think Fellaini is overrated personally. My mates who are die-hard Everton fans think he's good but that they wouldn't be hertbroken to see him go either, especially if they get a good price for him. Don't think I'm the only person who thinks he's not for us either, a fair few here seem to think he's overrated.

I agree that a lot of the players I'd like appear to be unobtainable (though obviously it's hard to know for sure), but that doesn't make Fellaini the right player either though. Fellaini might be fair enough as a squad player but do you really think he's the answer when it comes to playing against teams like Bayern, Barcelona or Madrid?
 
if we did sign fellaini then of course he can do a job for us. imagine him in the penalty box winning headers from van persie's corners. but i prefer we look somewhere else first, maybe someone who can boss the midfield for a start.
 
I think all of this talk about Moyes going back to Everton and getting Baines and/or Fellani is just really predictably lazy journalism. 'New manager goes back to old club to buy players' is what is trotted out whenever any manager leaves one club to join another in the league. I get the impression Moyes wouldnt do that to Everton.
 
KM said:
Gibbo is hardly a workhorse IMO.

A workhorse is someone who's stamina is their best quality, Gibson's stamina is average. His passing is his best quality.
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That's what I'm also trying to say, boss.

Isotope said:
Moyes has Osman and Gibbo as their CM pair. So, although his team is setup to be solid and hard to break, he isn't shy on using two CM that can pass the ball well; instead of having two 'workhorse' ala Mancini's City.

The advantage of Fellaini is, he's capable to defend even though his primary position is an AM.
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Sam said:
I think all of this talk about Moyes going back to Everton and getting Baines and/or Fellani is just really predictably lazy journalism. 'New manager goes back to old club to buy players' is what is trotted out whenever any manager leaves one club to join another in the league. I get the impression Moyes wouldnt do that to Everton.
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True, very predictable.
But interest in Baines seems likely.
Fellani- who knows.
Carrick/Fellani is kind of like Schweinsteiger/Martinez, could do very well.
 
Sam said:
I think all of this talk about Moyes going back to Everton and getting Baines and/or Fellani is just really predictably lazy journalism. 'New manager goes back to old club to buy players' is what is trotted out whenever any manager leaves one club to join another in the league. I get the impression Moyes wouldnt do that to Everton.
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How often do managers go back to their old clubs and buy players? Apart from Brentan last season getting Joe Allen I can't think of any cases where a manager has signed a player from the club he just left himself
 
EvilChuck said:
How often do managers go back to their old clubs and buy players? Apart from Brentan last season getting Joe Allen I can't think of any cases where a manager has signed a player from the club he just left himself
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Good old Arry no!??
 
EvilChuck said:
How often do managers go back to their old clubs and buy players? Apart from Brentan last season getting Joe Allen I can't think of any cases where a manager has signed a player from the club he just left himself
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Woy Hogson - Paul Konchesky
'Arry Redknapp - lost count of how many - Defoe, Keane, Kranjcar, Kaboul, Crouch
 
RDCR07 said:
Woy Hogson - Paul Konchesky
'Arry Redknapp - lost count of how many - Defoe, Keane, Kranjcar, Kaboul, Crouch
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If I remember well SAF himself brought Jimmy Leighton from Aberdeen.
 
Going back to your old club wouldn't be a shock. I don't think we'll go for Baines though. If you buy Baines for 15+ million, he'll have to play, considering his age. I don't think Moyes would want to make a purchase where he'll be forced into a difficult decision (dropping or selling Evra). That could upset the dressing room a little bit and we're not desperate for it anyway.

Fellani is different. Lots of people don't appreciate him now but they would soon enough.
 
I suppose the benefit of signing your ex-players is that you immediately know their traits both on and off the pitch. It also helps the transition process for the players if there is someone to act as mediator.

Baines, however, wouldn't be right. He's too expensive and too good to be second choice and, yet, I can't see Moyes' first act as manager be to offload our much-loved vice captain Evra. It wouldn't do much to win favour with the support.

Fellaini was a player that I thought a lot of the Caf was keen on previously? He is attacking but plays a good defensive game. There are no doubt better players out there but he'd be a good addition to a weak area of our squad.
 
acrebo said:
I suppose the benefit of signing your ex-players is that you immediately know their traits both on and off the pitch. It also helps the transition process for the players if there is someone to act as mediator.

Baines, however, wouldn't be right. He's too expensive and too good to be second choice and, yet, I can't see Moyes' first act as manager be to offload our much-loved vice captain Evra. It wouldn't do much to win favour with the support.

Fellaini was a player that I thought a lot of the Caf was keen on previously? He is attacking but plays a good defensive game. There are no doubt better players out there but he'd be a good addition to a weak area of our squad.
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Fellaini just isn't flavour of the month thats all. Check the threads at the start of the season everyone would have loved Fellaini. I think he'd be a good addition, strong got goals in him and he can play.. Way better than Strootman. However everyone wants a 5'7 tap tap kid. We've got Carrick and Cleverley to do that.
 
sullydnl said:
I've seen a fair bit of Everton, especially this season, and I think Fellaini is overrated personally. My mates who are die-hard Everton fans think he's good but that they wouldn't be hertbroken to see him go either, especially if they get a good price for him. Don't think I'm the only person who thinks he's not for us either, a fair few here seem to think he's overrated.

I agree that a lot of the players I'd like appear to be unobtainable (though obviously it's hard to know for sure), but that doesn't make Fellaini the right player either though. Fellaini might be fair enough as a squad player but do you really think he's the answer when it comes to playing against teams like Bayern, Barcelona or Madrid?
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I think the answer is to have a combative player in the middle who can prevent passing sides getting settled and allowing them to dominate midfield. If that player carries a threat further up the pitch that's a bonus.

As said in my previous post, easy to be critical - much harder to suggest realistic alternatives.

To me, your logic is flawed. You seem to suggest we should only be going out and buying the absolute best established players. All well and goof if possible. More realistic to go and buy a player who you hink may be ble to step up - like the club have done repeatedly over the years with success.
 
RedRover said:
To me, your logic is flawed. You seem to suggest we should only be going out and buying the absolute best established players. All well and goof if possible. More realistic to go and buy a player who you hink may be ble to step up - like the club have done repeatedly over the years with success.
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Do you think Fellaini is going to make a step up? To me, his game looks pretty matured and settled. He produces the same sort of football very consistently, and has become very good at what he does. He doesn't have the look of a youngster whose game will change and develop further. Whether you view this as a pro or a con, I think what you see now is what you get with Fellaini.
 
Striker10 said:
Going back to your old club wouldn't be a shock. I don't think we'll go for Baines though. If you buy Baines for 15+ million, he'll have to play, considering his age. I don't think Moyes would want to make a purchase where he'll be forced into a difficult decision (dropping or selling Evra). That could upset the dressing room a little bit and we're not desperate for it anyway.

Fellani is different. Lots of people don't appreciate him now but they would soon enough.
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Agree the big guy would be a very good addition and is something we are missing a physical threat and aggression in the tackle and in the air he would make us a right threat. He is a constant pest and like Toure and Luiz dislikable when not in your team. He would be a very good squad addition and I think he would improve our starting 11. Bale would be the cherry on the cake but I think he'll prove to be too expensive.
 
Brightonian said:
Do you think Fellaini is going to make a step up? To me, his game looks pretty matured and settled. He produces the same sort of football very consistently, and has become very good at what he does. He doesn't have the look of a youngster whose game will change and develop further. Whether you view this as a pro or a con, I think what you see now is what you get with Fellaini.
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I don't think his game needs to change. He's good at what he does and I think he'd provide what we lack. That said, in a better side and surrounded by better players it's fair to say he may well improve.
 
Would love to see a front 3 of welbeck, Rodriguez and mcmanaman.

Pace, skill, movement and hard work. Could be a very underdog but exciting front 3
 
Adam-Utd said:
Would love to see a front 3 of welbeck, Rodriguez and mcmanaman.

Pace, skill, movement and hard work. Could be a very underdog but exciting front 3
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Pretty good lineup if you replace Mcmanaman with Nani, Welbeck with RVP and Rodriguez with Kagawa.
 
I was talking about the England squad, not utd clearly lol.

Was responding to the person who said about mcmanaman making the England squad
 
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