If Ronaldo had a shit game against us we wouldn't have signed him
Maybe, but I suspect we probably would have kept an interest in him over the next 7 years.
Moussa Dembele
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Maybe, but I suspect we probably would have kept an interest in him over the next 7 years.
If Ronaldo had a shit game against us we wouldn't have signed him
I wonder how I can get a friendly organised against United...
I'll cost feck all, only need like 5 grand a week and promise to stop drinking and smoking.
Don't get me wrong, I'm just being a devils advocunt.
I think he's a great talent, and would have loved him here, although I do still have great faith in Anderson, but he would have had an immediate impact. I do however think a lot of people went overboard on that last game, and it's clear a lot of fans had no real idea either way over him until that game.
I think he's growing into his role rather well, like you I think I'd have been rather pleased to have him here. I am not Ando's biggest fan, I'll admit that but as I said...I think it was always a risk playing him deeper in a new position in comparison to his role at Porto.
It doesn't always work.
Still, Fergie reckons he's worth another shot, so who am I to argue. I just hope it works out for his sake and ours.
mmmmmm.....Dunno about that.
we just did though
Dembele has a bit of catching up to do.
Anderson already has 3 league winners medals
A European cup winners medal
2 league cup winners medals
1 World Club Championship winners medal.
Dembele has... hmmm and he isn't likely to get much more than a league cup or FA cup medal at Spurs.
How the feck do we lose out on players we never even bid on? We lost out on Hazard and Lucas, that's it.
I haven't read too much of this thread lately, just saw Dembele to Spurs is confirmed, bummer. Also, I am all for Anderson to be given more of a chance. But, to say he's ahead of Dembele I just don't get. People are quick to point out that Dembele showing such class is relatively recent, but his change into midfield has been amazing - the opposite of Alan Smith remember - and Anderson has yet to have a full good season under his belt.
People talk about the step up, can he play for United, but I think we can apply the inverse perspective and actually see how good some of our players are if they were to play for a mid-table team. I don't think Anderson would be setting the world alight at Fulham. He may well develop into the player we all hope he can be, but he's nowhere near that yet. The most promising aspect of his career to date IMV (apart from occasional performances) is his understanding with Cleverley.
People talk about the step up, can he play for United, but I think we can apply the inverse perspective and actually see how good some of our players are if they were to play for a mid-table team. I don't think Anderson would be setting the world alight at Fulham. He may well develop into the player we all hope he can be, but he's nowhere near that yet. The most promising aspect of his career to date IMV (apart from occasional performances) is his understanding with Cleverley.
How many chances should we give to a player who is constantly injured and when he is not 50% of the time he doesn't look bothered. I'm disappointed. We should have signed a proven premiership midfielder who can compete weekly against our rivals. Right now we seem to have the weakest midfield in the top 5 or 6 clubs.
On paper we're up there because clev and Anderson are fantastic talents coupled with the experience of carrick and Scholes, but in reality they'll walk all over our midfield.
City, Chelsea, Spurs, Everton will walk through our midfield with Liverpool and Arsenal probably our equal. the rest we'll beat. But that's not a combination for winning the premiership or reading final staged of CL
He's been way too overpriced 40 million bucks for the fecker, rediculous fee.
Your clearly not fella you posted further down after this
Get the kettle on this may take some time.
For me I've been watching dembele since he first turned up a Fulham, and also keeping an eye on the majority of that Belgium team that's growing up together. He looked promising but was pretty shit when played further up the pitch as his conversion rate wasn't great, very similar to our Ando when he also played further forward for gremio and Porto, but the ball playing skills and power etc were all still there to see. Please try to remember Ando has been playing a Manchester united when bringing honours lads into the equation lads, whereas Fulham are lucky to make the Europa league and have themselves a fairy tale cup run.
Jol decides to move him mid way though last season and he looks a different player. A lot more assured still creating attacks and helping to dictate the play aswel as going on the kind of bursting runs we saw a old Trafford on the weekend. For me hes been playing consistently since las season in a position he has only just been moved to and looks right at home as if thats where he started playing in the first place. Our Ando has put in some cracking performances there ala Arsenal, but and it's a big but he cant seem to do it consistently. His fitness levels after all the time he has been here IMO are not up to scratch, he's like a wheezy Paul scholes come the 60 minute mark. He's a footballer for gods sake supposedly some of the most conditioned athletes in the world.
There's only so long you can also keep saying there's promise there whilst still not seeing it consistently enough. I'm hoping and praying this year is the year he can finally shake off whatever monkey it is he has on his shoulder.
So in a nutshell it's been a massive adaptation to his new position plus consistency levels which make him look so promising. Il give Ando this he has bottle in his locker (see the penalties hes taken in big games for us) but feck me should that not make him bring his game to the table a lot more than he has done over the years he's been here and really wanna be the monster he has the potential to be. If fletch was fit and able he'd be around 5th choice at this stage maybe even 6th behind Giggsy.
Can we also lock this mother fecker now seeing as its all confirmed via MSM and he's now a spud picker
He's been way too overpriced 40 million bucks for the fecker, rediculous fee.
Your clearly not fella you posted further down after this
Get the kettle on this may take some time.
For me I've been watching dembele since he first turned up a Fulham. He looked promising but was pretty shit when played further up the pitch as his conversion rate wasn't great, very similar to our Ando when he also played further forward for gremio and Porto, but the ball playing skills and power etc were all still there to see. Please try to remember Ando has been playing a Manchester united when bringing honours lads into the equation lads, whereas Fulham are lucky to make the Europa league and have themselves a fairy tale cup run.
Jol decides to move him mid way though last season and he looks a different player. A lot more assured still creating attacks and helping to dictate the play aswel as going on the kind of bursting runs we saw a old Trafford on the weekend. For me hes been playing consistently since las season in a position he has only just been moved to and looks right at home as if thats where he started playing in the first place. Our Ando has put in some cracking performances there ala Arsenal, but and it's a big but he cant seem to do it consistently. His fitness levels after all the time he has been here IMO are not up to scratch, he's like a wheezy Paul scholes come the 60 minute mark. He's a footballer for gods sake supposedly some of the most conditioned athletes in the world.
There's only so long you can also keep saying there's promise there whilst still not seeing it consistently enough. I'm hoping and praying this year is the year he can finally shake off whatever monkey it is he has on his shoulder.
So in a nutshell it's been a massive adaptation to his new position plus consistency levels which make him look so promising. Il give Ando this he has bottle in his locker (see the penalties hes taken in big games for us) but feck me should that not make him bring his game to the table a lot more than he has done over the years he's been here and really wanna be the monster he has the potential to be. If fletch was fit and able he'd be around 5th choice at this stage maybe even 6th behind Giggsy.
if he's the bollocks then why didn't bayern, barca, madrid go in for him?
Afterall, bayern could've saved 25 million euros and madrid could've gotten him for much cheaper than modric.
this isn't a 'potential'. he's 25 not 20.
Look at the midfields of each team you have named there and tell me where the feck he is gonna fit in?
Bayern
Schweinie
Kroos
Tymoschuk or howeve you spell it
Gustavo
Martinez my thinking behind them purchasing such an expensive youth is the fact he can easily cover at centre half to which Dembele can't, so option wise he's more useful to them and will get games in either of those position compared to MD who will be strictly midfield or further forward if your completely desperate for a forward.
Real
Alonso
Ozil
Khedira
Modric - Dembele was apparently the cheaper alternative I.e no2 target. I think reports said Real HAD made some contact no doubt when the Modric deal was stalling. So that's one potentially sniffing round em.
I'm not even gonna bother with the Barca midfield because we're all aware of how feckin good it is. Christ song who I think is a good player not potential but a good player won't even improve that midfield that's how good it is but I'm sure your fully aware of that already.
It's called potential because he's only been moved to the position some months prior. When smith was moved to midfield at what age was it 27 or something people said there was potential there for him to become a midfielder. See that word again potential / promising.
I also never said he IS the bollocks but I'm now gonna say he COULD BE the bollocks!
Bayern
Schweinie
Kroos
Tymoschuk or howeve you spell it
Gustavo
Martinez my thinking behind them purchasing such an expensive youth is the fact he can easily cover at centre half to which Dembele can't, so option wise he's more useful to them and will get games in either of those position compared to MD who will be strictly midfield or further forward if your completely desperate for a forward.
Real
Alonso
Ozil
Khedira
Modric - Dembele was apparently the cheaper alternative I.e no2 target. I think reports said Real HAD made some contact no doubt when the Modric deal was stalling. So that's one potentially sniffing round em.
I'm not even gonna bother with the Barca midfield because we're all aware of how feckin good it is. Christ song who I think is a good player not potential but a good player won't even improve that midfield that's how good it is but I'm sure your fully aware of that already.
It's called potential because he's only been moved to the position some months prior. When smith was moved to midfield at what age was it 27 or something people said there was potential there for him to become a midfielder. See that word again potential / promising.
I also never said he IS the bollocks but I'm now gonna say he COULD BE the bollocks!
I hate this argument. Why does every player that might benefit United have to be sought after by every top club in the world for them to be considered a good signing?
I don't remember Arsenal getting too much competition to sign Henry, or United getting too much competition when we went after RVN, for example.
we had massive competition from madrid IIRC. the only reason they pulled out was rvn suffered a season ending knee injury in 2000 and ferguson stuck with getting his man the next summer whereas madrid moved on.
I think Henry was coming off the back of a couple of rough seasons a Juve at that time, plus he was a winger and nobody expected him to be easily turned into one of the finest forwards the PL or World has ever seen.
As VW says we did have competition from Real initially when chasing Ruud.
But I do agree with ya why does every player have to be linked to the other bigs clubs? Players have come to clubs before not looking much and ended up being amazing buys, kinda like our Vida, I would throw paddy Evra in there but he had a blitzing season with Monaco and people were well aware of his talents.
Ok, RVN was a bad example. But there are many players we have signed who have starred for us despite no other clubs being interested in signing them.
Djemba?
who?
We should asked for Dembele in exchange for Berba, madness.
Derp de derp Dembele, why didn't we ask for him, derp, he played well last week Derp derp derp.
Well, just looking at the current squad:
De Gea, Rafael, Evra, Valencia (ok a slight murmuring of Madrid, but barely anything), Berbatov, Lindegaard, Hernandez, Carrick, Fabio, Kagawa.
How's that for a start?
De Gea, Rafael, Evra, Valencia (ok a slight murmuring of Madrid, but barely anything), Berbatov, Lindegaard, Hernandez, Carrick, Fabio, Kagawa.
How's that for a start?
Going out on a limb here but maybe, just maybe, Fergie didn't want to sign Dembele
Berbatov almost signed for City remember....
There was also plenty of interest for Kagawa apparently.
There was also plenty of interest for Kagawa apparently.
True. But there was no speculation, they got took over that very day and their owners saw his name in the papers and decided they wanted him.
I didn't see too much about Kagawa, it looked pretty nailed on that he was going to United from April onwards....?
Kagawa wanted to move to us, so it stopped any further speculation.
What are you guys even arguing about??
Mussolini Derpa Ba
Indeed, by his own admition Fergie likes buying strikers.
Why.The.Feck.We.Didn't.Sign.Dembele.?.?.?
especially with Berba going to Fulham?
especially with Berba going to Fulham?
He is quality so its a little annoying
We should have signed him. The mind boggles.
Doesn't fit into our midfield system. Too effective
Probably so we can sign him for 40 million next season.
Impossible to get ball off him.He did for Fulham and now he's doing for Spurs, he's making our CM his bitches
You think this wouldn't work?
----------RVP-------------
--------Rooney------------
Nani---------------Valencia
-----Carrick--Dembele-----
Every midfielder against a midfield combo of Carrick/Scholes/Giggs will look good.
He would have looked good on the bench sat besides Cleverley and Anderson.
He's not been that good.
We should've signed him just so that we dont have to face him twice a year.