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That video of Mourinho wandering round the street is truly bizarre
 
Isn't the main part that like Fergie in 95 Guardiola actually got rid off star players and thus made way for youth players? There might be reasons and ppl might want to call it coincidence, but funny how those coincidences only seem to happen to some ppl. It's the same with "luck" when manager win trophies.
Anyway giving debuts and then 5 minutes and being fed up when a young player makes a couple of mistakes is not how youth is developed. Obviously playing youth just for the sake of it isn't the way either. But there must be a middle way especially if you keep playing some of your senior players despite them costing points in almost every game.
 
Americano said:
Will he? He'll be sacked for cause, he's missed the targets in his contract.
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I'd imagine the contract will be drafted in a way that while failing to secure a target may lead to dismissal, he's still entitled to financial reimbursement. So while he won't make the full £6.5m wage, 3/4m seems likely.

We paid off Moyes and his crew with £6m
 
Just watched a documentary on Jose's time at Inter.

There's a great section on the 2 legs vs Barcelona and they're discussing the second leg where Inter went to the Nou Camp defending a 3-1 scoreline. Jose says "when Thiago Motta saw the red card, the Barcelona dugout was celebrating like a goal. I thought in that moment they were thinking the job is done. So I went over, when Pep was speaking to Ibra to say 'you think it is over, but it is far from over'."

They show the actual clip of him going over to whisper in Guardiola's ear and walk away with a sly grin on his face. Guardiola is speechless.

The derby next season will be pure box office. :devil:
 
Sir A1ex said:
What is expected goal difference?
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I think it's basically what you would expect the goal difference to be based on the quality of the chances. If we missed an open goal in a game the expected goal difference would be plus one, the actual goal difference would be nil. The graph suggests Chelsea's finishing was worse than it should have been on average.
 
Riz said:
Just watched a documentary on Jose's time at Inter.

There's a great section on the 2 legs vs Barcelona and they're discussing the second leg where Inter went to the Nou Camp defending a 3-1 scoreline. Jose says "when Thiago Motta saw the red card, the Barcelona dugout was celebrating like a goal. I thought in that moment they were thinking the job is done. So I went over, when Pep was speaking to Ibra to say 'you think it is over, but it is far from over'."

They show the actual clip of him going over to whisper in Guardiola's ear and walk away with a sly grin on his face. Guardiola is speechless.

The derby next season will be pure box office. :devil:
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:drool:

sunama said:
I've been saying this all along.
The 2 biggest games of the EPL season will now be MUFC vs MCFC.
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Not only that, it will rival El Clasico.
 
I can't wait for Jose to do some first class trolling. Roll on the charity shield!
 
Riz said:
Just watched a documentary on Jose's time at Inter.

There's a great section on the 2 legs vs Barcelona and they're discussing the second leg where Inter went to the Nou Camp defending a 3-1 scoreline. Jose says "when Thiago Motta saw the red card, the Barcelona dugout was celebrating like a goal. I thought in that moment they were thinking the job is done. So I went over, when Pep was speaking to Ibra to say 'you think it is over, but it is far from over'."

They show the actual clip of him going over to whisper in Guardiola's ear and walk away with a sly grin on his face. Guardiola is speechless.

The derby next season will be pure box office. :devil:
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If you watched it online could you link it please? Sounds good.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Apparently LVG knew threw days before the final, which means it's all panned out very well.

He knew it was his last game and he went out winning us the cup. He's a manager I have incredible respect for, he's won it all and he's won it in different countries with different clubs. He is one of the best managers in the world, regardless of what the Caf says.

He can go out with his head held high and we'll remember him for being the manager to bring us a trophy post fergie. We'll remember him for signing off on Martial, for bringing in Rashford, Fosu Mensah and Lingard, for helping Shaw develop and for laying solid foundations for us for years to come.

All in all, he won't be looked upon as a failure and we can thank him for his reign and both parties can sever their relationship amicably and continue to have a healthy relationship in the future!
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Erm okay :wenger:

 
VanGaalEra said:
Apparently LVG knew threw days before the final, which means it's all panned out very well.

He knew it was his last game and he went out winning us the cup. He's a manager I have incredible respect for, he's won it all and he's won it in different countries with different clubs. He is one of the best managers in the world, regardless of what the Caf says.

He can go out with his head held high and we'll remember him for being the manager to bring us a trophy post fergie. We'll remember him for signing off on Martial, for bringing in Rashford, Fosu Mensah and Lingard, for helping Shaw develop and for laying solid foundations for us for years to come.

All in all, he won't be looked upon as a failure and we can thank him for his reign and both parties can sever their relationship amicably and continue to have a healthy relationship in the future!
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Is this some sort of joke?
 
Riz said:
Just watched a documentary on Jose's time at Inter.

There's a great section on the 2 legs vs Barcelona and they're discussing the second leg where Inter went to the Nou Camp defending a 3-1 scoreline. Jose says "when Thiago Motta saw the red card, the Barcelona dugout was celebrating like a goal. I thought in that moment they were thinking the job is done. So I went over, when Pep was speaking to Ibra to say 'you think it is over, but it is far from over'."

They show the actual clip of him going over to whisper in Guardiola's ear and walk away with a sly grin on his face. Guardiola is speechless.

The derby next season will be pure box office. :devil:
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5:25 if anyone wants to see it.

 
He's not been treated badly at all, if we weren't such pussys and actually treated him how he should have been he would have been sacked in December, so we've been too nice if anything which other than the fa cup win has ruined a season that could have been salvaged if we were more ruthless and got rid like every one else would have done.
Being too nice these last three years has cost us quite considerably, but I believe it's probably been leaked by the press who knew about it before but couldn't keep quiet for another few days or some minion has let it slip and everyone has said feck it lets go with it.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
Without looking it up, I'd guess Martín Montoya also fits your criteria unless I'm getting years mixed up. He played Isaac Cuenca and Cristian Tello a fair bit in his final season too, it's possible that would have continued if Pep hadn't left.

Which I think is a big chunk of youth to bring through over 4 years at Barcelona. I don't really know what you expect if that's not amazing. You're never going to see 11 new youth players starting every year.

His record at Bayern isn't as good though.
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I don't think it's amazing at all. All those players you mentioned played a smattering of minor games, they didn't become first-team regulars. And as you say, his youth promotion has been poor at Bayern.

There's nothing wrong with what Guardiola has done. After all, he's had two of the strongest squads ever assembled in European football, so if he'd experimented with young players he'd have weakened the team. But to suggest he's some kind of genius with young players is wide of the mark in my view.
 
Sir A1ex said:
What is expected goal difference?
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saivet said:
Is this meant to make any sense?
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Expected Goals is a statistic that tries to quantify the quality of chances a team creates. Different people have different recipes for coming up with a value (it's a complicated statistic as it has to account for type of shot, location of shot, type of pass leading to the shot, first-time shot or not, etc, etc).

It's not perfect, but I think it is very valuable. It can give a sense of when a side's finishing/luck is letting them down and when it is flattering them. Chelsea had stabilised under Mourinho (they were creating as many high quality chances at the end of his reign as they did under Hiddink). It's just that their finishing was letting them down.
 
JohnnyKills said:
I don't think it's amazing at all. All those players you mentioned played a smattering of minor games, they didn't become first-team regulars. And as you say, his youth promotion has been poor at Bayern.

There's nothing wrong with what Guardiola has done. After all, he's had two of the strongest squads ever assembled in European football, so if he'd experimented with young players he'd have weakened the team. But to suggest he's some kind of genius with young players is wide of the mark in my view.
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I think the whole youth policy is complete pants to be honest with you.

Look at Chelsea, Real Madrid, Inter how great is their youth academy? it's not.

Are you supposed to just meaninglessly promote players into the first team who aren't good enough?

It's much easier to do it at United or Barcelona there is sometimes a good player in the academy.

SAF could promote players for the Carling Cup (Capital One) give them experience.

Would he drop a first team player for a vital game if everyone was fit? no.

Equally if you have Iniesta, Xavi, Messi coming through at Barcelona are you going to play them? yes of course you are.

If you have the class of 92, Giggs, Scholes, Beckham knocking on the door are you going to give them games? of course you are.

You can't give players games if they aren't good enough.
 
JohnnyKills said:
I don't think it's amazing at all. All those players you mentioned played a smattering of minor games, they didn't become first-team regulars. And as you say, his youth promotion has been poor at Bayern.

There's nothing wrong with what Guardiola has done. After all, he's had two of the strongest squads ever assembled in European football, so if he'd experimented with young players he'd have weakened the team. But to suggest he's some kind of genius with young players is wide of the mark in my view.
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He left the season after, it's completely unfair to use the decisions of managers succeeding him to rate Guardiola's youth record. He had Tello, Cuenca and Montoya well prepared for first team football. Vilanova and Martino not capitalising on that doesn't change that.

Cuenca and Tello had about 50 appearances between them by the way in one season, that's not a smattering of games. Tello was even trusted to play against Madrid.

I don't see how it's not an amazing record. He created one of the greatest teams of all time and while doing so gave a lot of chances to youth.
 
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