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kr0nix said:
I think Pep would be better placed to nurture the young players we have here, but that's just my gut feeling. Of course I want to win titles and Jose is as competitive and hungry as they come, but that's not to say Pep wouldn't be able to manage here. I guess we'll see next season.
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Pep didn't nurture Bayern's players, he sent Hojbjerg on loan and let Weiser go on a free. Pep isn't better with young players than Mourinho and he barely signs them.
 
ClosetDevil said:
Imagine the meltdown when people realise they've jumped the gun, and LVG is here to stay for next season too.:lol:
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JP77 said:
The meltdown if LVG was announced as staying on for one more season would be incredible on here :lol:
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That's a bit surreal. Anyway, by my understanding talks are still to take place. And talks don't always go as planned.
 
Brownie85 said:
Sounds like a typical response to be fair. The way LvG said it implied it meant a lot more than that. He sounded dejected from what i heard on the Sky Sports clip.
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That was my thinking as well. The United board cannot very well come out and validate such a comment with regards to LVG's future, as I'm pretty sure there would be legal implications involved. LVG is still United manager, for now at least, and until that changes the board should and very likely will remain hush hush on the matter.
 
ClosetDevil said:
Imagine the meltdown when people realise they've jumped the gun, and LVG is here to stay for next season too.:lol:
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Then the same people calling it classless would have hoped that the classless route would have been the best to take.
 
Random Task said:
That was my thinking as well. The United board cannot very well come out and validate such a comment with regards to LVG's future, as I'm pretty sure there would be legal implications involved. LVG is still United manager, for now at least, and until that changes the board should and very likely will remain hush hush on the matter.
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Yup thats my thinking exactly. There's been no statement or anything from United about the future of LvG as of yet, and they couldn't not acknowledge that comment by LvG.
They're not going to come out and say "Yes Louis van Gaal has left Manchester United by mutual consent" in the wake of an "It's Over" comment. They had to acknowledge it somehow and saying he meant the season is over is a good reason.
 
JPRouve said:
Pep didn't nurture Bayern's players, he sent Hojbjerg on loan and let Weiser go on a free. Pep isn't better with young players than Mourinho and he barely signs them.
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fecking hell. You can argue about Pep's youth policy at Bayern but you have to be a moron to think he's not better with young players than Mourinho.
 
I'm hoping Mourinho has had time to reflect and, understanding the job he's taking, proves to use youth more than he's been known for. He'll surely use Rashers.
 
Hope after all the mutual handjobs over the years, Mourinho does actually turn to Fergie for advice over running United.
 
Bob Loblaw said:
fecking hell. You can argue about Pep's youth policy at Bayern but you have to be a moron to think he's not better with young players than Mourinho.
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It is essentially: Robben, Obi-Mikel, Ozil, Santon, Balotelli and Varane against Pedro, Busquets, Pique, Alaba and Thiago. These are the only young players which they consistently played during their spells at various clubs. A very similar record, with both of them playing many other players for some matches, but not making them important parts of their team.

Both of them are quite bad at it, but then the only successful managers who have been good with young players are Fergie, LvG and Wenger.
 
royboy16 said:
From Sky.

Manchester United have told Sky Sports News in the last few moments that Louis van Gaal was referring to it being the end of the season, when he said “it’s over.”
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How the feck do they know what he meant? Did they chase him home to go ask him? :lol:
 
Just on all this talk about the media, and the comparisons to the Moyes sacking, intimating the club have leaked it. A few months after the sacking of Moyes a very well known journalist was on TV in the North West (sorry can't remember his name) and made it clear that the club leaked nothing about the Moyes sacking, that it was down to 'good old fashioned journalism' of chasing contacts down and putting two and two together. They then asked Woodward directly if Moyes would be manager on Monday - leaving Woody with the choice of confirming, denying or stalling. He stalled and the rumours ran. Of course had he confirmed then the club would have leaked it - had he denied then in 24 hours they'd have been shown to lie. I suspect something like this has happened again. I don't believe the club, or Mendes has leaked - as others have said there's nothing for either of them to gain.
 
Revan said:
It is essentially: Robben, Obi-Mikel, Ozil, Santon, Balotelli and Varane against Pedro, Busquets, Pique, Alaba and Thiago. These are the only young players which they consistently played during their spells at various clubs. A very similar record, with both of them playing many other players for some matches, but not making them important parts of their team.

Both of them are quite bad at it, but then the only successful managers who have been good with young players are Fergie, LvG and Wenger.
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I'll reply properly when I'm back home but that post is a crock of shit.
 
Revan said:
It is essentially: Robben, Obi-Mikel, Ozil, Santon, Balotelli and Varane against Pedro, Busquets, Pique, Alaba and Thiago. These are the only young players which they consistently played during their spells at various clubs. A very similar record, with both of them playing many other players for some matches, but not making them important parts of their team.

Both of them are quite bad at it, but then the only successful managers who have been good with young players are Fergie, LvG and Wenger.
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Exactly, Essien and Di Maria were also younger than Pedro and he gave Morata and Nacho their debuts. At the end of the day neither are exceptional with young players.
By the way Alaba was an established player under Heynckes.
 
VanGaalEra said:
Apparently LVG knew threw days before the final, which means it's all panned out very well.

He knew it was his last game and he went out winning us the cup. He's a manager I have incredible respect for, he's won it all and he's won it in different countries with different clubs. He is one of the best managers in the world, regardless of what the Caf says.

He can go out with his head held high and we'll remember him for being the manager to bring us a trophy post fergie. We'll remember him for signing off on Martial, for bringing in Rashford, Fosu Mensah and Lingard, for helping Shaw develop and for laying solid foundations for us for years to come.

All in all, he won't be looked upon as a failure and we can thank him for his reign and both parties can sever their relationship amicably and continue to have a healthy relationship in the future!
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I'm all for magnanimity mate, especially now most of us have got the outcome we want, but surely he'll be looked upon as a failure.

He's spent £250 in two years - that's almost 50% of Ferguson's entire spend during his 26 years in charge. And yet we've finished up outside the CL places, in a year when all the traditionally strong clubs have been poor. For a club of United's size and resources, finishing outside the CL places is a complete joke.

United have put in some good performances under LVG (Liverpool away and City at home last year, Arsenal at home this season) but it's hard to remember a single five-star performance, a single game in which United played to the very summit of their ability.

LVG has been a hugely influential figure in modern football but his best days are long behind him and his shortcomings have been brutally exposed at United.
 
JohnnyKills said:
I'm all for magnanimity mate, especially now most of us have got the outcome we want, but surely he'll be looked upon as a failure.

He's spent £250 in two years - that's almost 50% of Ferguson's entire spend during his 26 years in charge. And yet we've finished up outside the CL places, in a year when all the traditionally strong clubs have been poor. For a club of United's size and resources, finishing outside the CL places is a complete joke.

United have put in some good performances under LVG (Liverpool away and City at home last year, Arsenal at home this season) but it's hard to remember a single five-star performance, a single game in which United played to the very summit of their ability.

LVG has been a hugely influential figure in modern football but his best days are long behind him and his shortcomings have been brutally exposed at United.
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If only it had only been £250 :)
 
JohnnyKills said:
I'm all for magnanimity mate, especially now most of us have got the outcome we want, but surely he'll be looked upon as a failure.

He's spent £250 in two years - that's almost 50% of Ferguson's entire spend during his 26 years in charge. And yet we've finished up outside the CL places, in a year when all the traditionally strong clubs have been poor. For a club of United's size and resources, finishing outside the CL places is a complete joke.

United have put in some good performances under LVG (Liverpool away and City at home last year, Arsenal at home this season) but it's hard to remember a single five-star performance, a single game in which United played to the very summit of their ability.

LVG has been a hugely influential figure in modern football but his best days are long behind him and his shortcomings have been brutally exposed at United.
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If only it had only been £250 :)
 
Revan said:
It is essentially: Robben, Obi-Mikel, Ozil, Santon, Balotelli and Varane against Pedro, Busquets, Pique, Alaba and Thiago. These are the only young players which they consistently played during their spells at various clubs. A very similar record, with both of them playing many other players for some matches, but not making them important parts of their team.

Both of them are quite bad at it, but then the only successful managers who have been good with young players are Fergie, LvG and Wenger.
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Good post.

Difference is that at both Barca and Bayern Guardiola inherited a core of young, homegrown players who already had plenty of experience. Messi, for example, was only 21 when Guardiola arrived yet he'd already been in the first-team squad for four years and become established; it was hardly a gamble to play him. Mourinho has never really had that.
 
If we do get Jose I hope people are not expecting immediate success. It's not magic it's football and it will take some time for them to find that sweet spot. It's going to be super annoying to see people complain after the first game. Some people are complaining already and it's not even official yet.
 
foolsgold said:
A better question is how many of them did he play 20+ times ?

Jose gave plenty of young players 1 or 2 games in Madrid, that's the easy part. The hard part is sticking by them if it gets a little bit tricky.
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I was just looking this up actually (stuck at work today and needed a distraction).

As you suggest Foolsgold, Guardiola gave a lot of players debuts but he's only really given regular starts to four players as far as I can see: Busquets, Pedro, Thiago and Rafinha.

A lot of players, like Jeffren Suarez, Marc Muniesa and Jonathan Dos Santos and Pierre Hojbjerg, have been given the odd game here and there. Others, like Sergi Roberto, were given debuts by Guardiola but didn't really become regular fixtures until he'd left.

The idea that Guardiola is amazing with young players is, it seems, a complete misconception.
 
JohnnyKills said:
I was just looking this up actually (stuck at work today and needed a distraction).

As you suggest Foolsgold, Guardiola gave a lot of players debuts but he's only really given regular starts to four players as far as I can see: Busquets, Pedro, Thiago and Rafinha.

A lot of players, like Jeffren Suarez, Marc Muniesa and Jonathan Dos Santos and Pierre Hojbjerg, have been given the odd game here and there. Others, like Sergi Roberto, were given debuts by Guardiola but didn't really become regular fixtures until he'd left.

The idea that Guardiola is amazing with young players is, it seems, a complete misconception.
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Without looking it up, I'd guess Martín Montoya also fits your criteria unless I'm getting years mixed up. He played Isaac Cuenca and Cristian Tello a fair bit in his final season too, it's possible that would have continued if Pep hadn't left.

Which I think is a big chunk of youth to bring through over 4 years at Barcelona. I don't really know what you expect if that's not amazing. You're never going to see 11 new youth players starting every year.

His record at Bayern isn't as good though.
 
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