Mourinho not happy with transfer window - Exclusive interview with Ogden

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We urgently need a natural left back. Even as a back-up to Shaw.

Darmian, and Blind are not natural left-backs. Darmian is right-back and Blind is a utility player. Worse still, they seem to have an adverse effect on Martial and Rashford on that side. Rashford upped his game as soon as he partnered Valencia last night.
 
He better have more people on his list than just Dier or Matic. If that's his list, no wonder we're struggling.
 
Garethw said:
Oh I agree mate, it was an odd comment for sure.

I haven't seen the interview, but was he asked about Chicharito signing for West Ham? That may be the reason why WH were on the tip of his tongue when he said this.
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Ah ok, cool. Selective quoting again. Should've known better.
 
I am not sure how whatever he has been saying all along in public + leaks will help us buy more players. Unless we pay ridiculous which we have been already for him.

His press at times are pretty weird and seems outright stupid sometimes.
 
It's obvious we need another DM, Fellaini is not good enough and Carrick's age is showing. We will be fine if we dont buy another winger though
 
TheRedHearted said:
I think if anything, it's sort of what sammsky1 said, they agreed on something. But a little different, it's to take pressure off to the manager and onto Woodward (deliberately). The board would much rather have people upset with Woodward than Mourinho, since we won't really think about Woodward till the winter window, then again till summer. I'm sure they have been discussing.
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I am not sure why anyone would agree to play shifting blame games.

Also, who the feck cares if fans are not happy with the numbers of players we sign each summer. If they do, they are fecking idiot.

Their job and what they should care is to let the team play good and win some shits. Not to please the fans with all the signings.

Because you can have 11 signings per summer, still end up 6th and fans will still be unhappy.

There is absolutely no guarantee.

If anything, whenever a team sign too many players, they usually feck that season up. Especially with us.
 
Adisa said:
He better have more people on his list than just Dier or Matic. If that's his list, no wonder we're struggling.
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If we genuinely went into the window with those as our primary targets, in an either or situation, then I can't decide what mindset Mourinho was in ranging from naive optimism to wanton carelessness. The importance Spurs put on a top four finish means they would rather let Dier rot on the bench than hand us a solid Carrick replacement whereas Chelsea could have sold to us before the Lukaku hijack. Its difficult to understand why it seems like we do not have any alternatives for Dier/Matic and Perisic. Jose demanding players from such a limited pool has landed us in this mess imo and Woodward wouldn't haggle for the sake of it he's being held back by the owners imo.
 
Escobar said:
It's obvious we need another DM, Fellaini is not good enough and Carrick's age is showing. We will be fine if we dont buy another winger though
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Hopefully a DM would then permit the existing wingers to be reduced of defensive responsibility and able to concentrate on causing the opposition problems rather than being expected to defend all the time.

Basically I don't wanna see Martial back making last ditch tackles in the full back position again :D.
 
adexkola said:
The problem isn't getting them. It's committing to giving them playing time. Mbappe, Auba and co. just didn't drop out of the sky.

If we can't make that commitment, we'll have to keep on bending over at the negotiation table for these players.
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Certainly a good point. Dembele actually mentioned that he had offers from the biggest clubs in the world but had the feeling he would get much trust and playing time at Dortmund so he chose them.

Mou also doesn't really have the reputation of giving young players a lot of chances which is understandable because he usually manages clubs where he is under pressure to deliver results as fast as possible. I wish our environment would be patient enough to build teams with very talented and young players like SAF did so many times but I reckon those times are gone forever and I get that I sound like an old fart here but there was just something exciting about seeing the young lads like Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson and Scholes, Giggs, the Neville twins and Becks before them that I don't get from buying the "finished" product for 70M+ €.

Well I guess I have to get used to the new way of us buying a couple good players for 100M+ € every season. :(

I know, poor me. :lol: ;)
 
Escobar said:
It's obvious we need another DM, Fellaini is not good enough and Carrick's age is showing. We will be fine if we dont buy another winger though
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But who? I can't see us getting Dier (if we are even in for him) and Matic is going to Juve?
 
Red Katie said:
But who? I can't see us getting Dier (if we are even in for him) and Matic is going to Juve?
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Thats for the manager and the scouts to find. Neither keane nor ince came from a top club. We bought them as unfinished products and then we turned them in absolute beasts
 
I find mou escuse as a bit lame. Ac milan signed a horde of top quality players at reasonable prices. Its a matter of avoiding getting bogged into trying to sign proved talent at top clubs.


Which makes you wonder what our scouts/mou did throughout the year. They are employed to find talent at reasonable prices. We dont need scouts to unearth griezmann, matic, morata, ibra, pogba, perisic or lukaku.
 
Yeah, most of our targets have been past players of Mourinho / high profile players everyone knows about / come from Mourinho's network or influence. I wonder if Mourinho doesn't trust the scouts at this club.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
I know what he's doing. My point is West Ham signing Hart, Arnautovic and Chicarito is not comparable to our transfer market difficulties. We're shopping in Waitrose and they're shopping in Asda.
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Garethw said:
Oh I agree mate, it was an odd comment for sure.

I haven't seen the interview, but was he asked about Chicharito signing for West Ham? That may be the reason why WH were on the tip of his tongue when he said this.
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West Ham will be our first match this season. That's why he mentioned them.
 
devilish said:
I find mou escuse as a bit lame. Ac milan signed a horde of top quality players at reasonable prices. Which makes you wonder what our scouts did throughout the year. They are employed to find talent at reasonable prices. We dont need scouts to unearth griezmann, matic, ibra, pogba, perisic or lukaku.
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Well, we rarely do it for awhile.

The current manager hardly has a reputation for it as well. If anything, the opposite of it.

Spend, spend and spend till we win or he gets sacked it seems. Hopefully, at least, we get some winnings back first.
 
Oh and I really don't like Mourinho continuously moaning to the press. If Spurs are quoting 50m for Dier and Inter are quoting 50m for Perisic then we can't sign/shouldn't sign them.
We'll end up signing Matic which is absolutely fine with me tbh.
 
CG1010 said:
Yeah, most of our targets have been past players of Mourinho / high profile players everyone knows about / come from Mourinho's network or influence. I wonder if Mourinho doesn't trust the scouts at this club.
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Bailly/Lindelof doesn't fit any of the criteria you mentioned. Mkhitaryan/Pogba hadn't played before for Mourinho and/or outside his network or influence.
 
Red Katie said:
Is he taking the p... with the West Ham quote?
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Not sure where he could go with it to be honest. We play them first game so maybe saying their team will be settled by then and we might be still struggling to get players in. He wasn't going to mention City/Chelsea/Liverpool as it would infuriate United fans and we just beat City anyway. A lot of teams here haven't done that much of significance anyway.
 
The United said:
Well, we rarely do it for awhile.

The current manager hardly has a reputation for it as well. If anything, the opposite of it.

Spend, spend and spend till we win or he gets sacked it seems. Hopefully, at least, we get some winnings back first.
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If he is planning to stay with us for 15 years then he needs to change his ways. The sort of players he is aiming at very rarely change clubs and when they do they are often very very expensive. We tend to criticise some fans in here but mou is the biggest football manager muppet around.

Milan are worse off then us but they signed 4 players who would walk into our first team (Rodriguez, silva, kessie and bonucci). All at reasonable prices.
 
DomesticTadpole said:
Not sure where he could go with it to be honest. We play them first game so maybe saying their team will be settled by then and we might be still struggling to get players in. He wasn't going to mention City/Chelsea/Liverpool as it would infuriate United fans and we just beat City anyway. A lot of teams here haven't done that much of significance anyway.
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Yeah I just realized we have West Ham at home in the first match. But you're right anyway as not many teams been busy so far.
 
Not a fan of the manager talking about this publicly, but on the other hand, it's vital he's given the players he needs to build his team. I can understand his frustration.

Perisic and one of Dier/Matic are needed. I'd prefer Fabinho, though.
 
KM said:
Bailly/Lindelof doesn't fit any of the criteria you mentioned. Mkhitaryan/Pogba hadn't played before for Mourinho and/or outside his network or influence.
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About Lindelof, Mourinho recently mentioned specifically that he watched him a lot as he follows Portuguese league closely. Mikhitaryan and Pogba (especially Pogba) were already quite famous and certainly weren't 'found' by any scouts. Jose signed Bailly immediately after being set as manager. I doubt very much that United's scouts had much to do with him either.

My point is in general we seem to be relying on Mourinho's (admittedly extensive) network and knowledge of players as well as contacts with certain agents more than our scouts to identify our targets. This might (and should) change over time as Mourinho places his own team here.
 
devilish said:
Milan are worse off then us but they signed 4 players who would walk into our first team (Rodriguez, silva, kessie and bonucci). All at reasonable prices.
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That in itself is part of the problem.
It's well known that United are wealthier than just about every other club, and therefore sellers bump the asking price up when United are linked to a player.

Use Kessie as an example, Milan have got him on a loan deal, if United had enquired, we wouldn't have been offered a loan option, it would have been £50 Million Buy It Now.
 
Ikon said:
That in itself is part of the problem.
It's well known that United are wealthier than just about every other club, and therefore sellers bump the asking price up when United are linked to a player.

Use Kessie as an example, Milan have got him on a loan deal, if United had enquired, we wouldn't have been offered a loan option, it would have been £50 Million Buy It Now.
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Well milan are owned by chinese people who are far richer then the glazers are so...

If we competed for kessie then the price would be slightly higher but not that much. Unlike real who see us rivals, atalanta cares only about £££

Its down to our scouts letting the club down. No wonder we signed the juventus dude
 
Why would he be happy with the window as it stands? sure every fan is the same, i no there is still time before the season starts but when u look at Jose in the past he always liked to get it done ASAP in to the window, we need another 2/3 bodys in, quality as well as adding a different dimension to the squad, for me Perisic and Dier/Matic would do that. the prices are high but thats never stopped us before. we are partly to blame for the prices payed as well in the past.
 
You wouldn't expect him to be happy while the squad still has gaping holes in it. Less than 6 weeks to go...
 
It does seem very much like his only targets are Perisic (no backup option), and Matic/Dier. Nothing else has really looked remotely likely and I think this is where we're having problems. Inter will have noticed that we have no backup for Perisic, which means they can play hardball, and the other two are from other PL clubs who are also looking to finish in the top 4 this coming season. We won't get either of them. If there was anyone else on the horizon, you'd expect that we'd not have suddenly stopped being transfer-news worthy after Inter went on tour.
 
We still need a star attacker that makes a big difference and aids the main striker.

city have de Bruyne and Silva
Chelsea have Hazard
Arsenal (for now) Ozil and Sanchez
Spurs have Alli
Madrid Bale and Ronaldo
Barca have Neymar & Messi

We lack that. Lukaku needs help and all the above imo are players better than we have in the roles behind the striker. We won't win the league without one
 
LawCharltonBest said:
We still need a star attacker that makes a big difference and aids the main striker.

city have de Bruyne and Silva
Chelsea have Hazard
Arsenal (for now) Ozil and Sanchez
Spurs have Alli
Madrid Bale and Ronaldo
Barca have Neymar & Messi

We lack that. Lukaku needs help and all the above imo are players better than we have in the roles behind the striker. We won't win the league without one
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I don't disagree, but that ship likely sailed with Griezmann. Neymar, Sanchez, Bale, they're not coming here.
 
devilish said:
Lw is okish with martial, rashford and mkhitaryan able to play there. Dm is the problem. We got 1 dm and hes a former playrr in all but name
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None of those are left wingers. Martial has either lost his confidence, or was just having a great start to his United career. Rashford is a forward and won't cause too many problems from the LW for top teams in organised games. Mkhi looks pretty poor there and it's his weakest position I think. We need a LW player, but I feel that we need a DM too, and possibly at least one full back, as we're low on quality on the left and we're screwed if Valencia gets injured on the right.
 
Sometimes I think some people don't just know what they want the manager to say.

When he came on in Ogden interview to defend Ed against the strange requirements of the market, people are worried, we're only settling for 3 players which aren't enough, 4 were even low now only 3 ! We need to pay to get the players, we can't afford another season without a title.. Etc.

When he starts to express he's becoming a bit little frustrated about lack of transfer, people are worried. He's making excuses for the coming failure. He's moaning in the press. His list is unrealistic. He shouldn't be saying such things in the media..etc.

I'll go on and say people are just giving public quotes in the media way too much importance. This forum has been going mad when he criticized a player or 2 last season, oh he's going to make problems in the team again, oh the players are gonna hate him, oh Chelsea and Madrid scenarios are gonna get repeated. Shortly after the player himself comes and says he was the one at fault and he must work harder. All players took his quotes on him positively. The only ones who looked annoyed about his quotes and moaned about it continuously are actually the fans alone. It seems we're going to do the same now regarding his quotes about the transfers.

Again, people are overestimating the importance and effect of public quotes.
 
If we only get one more player - presumably a defensive midfielder - we're going to fighting to get in the top 4 again. This squad isn't capable of a title challenge, IMHO, There are still gaping holes in the squad and players who, over the past few years, have been conclusively been proven not to be good enough for where we want to get to. If all of that happens, the first Mourinho blow up won't be long coming.
 
itso 7 said:
Thats pretty much the situation at a host of other clubs imo. If your main striker picks a huge injury you're pretty much fecked because the second choice simply won't be as good thats why he stayed there as second choice otherwise he'd have moved.
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but we've got almost no one who fits that role. TO me, Rashford is not yet ready to lead the line for a whole season
 
Infra-red said:
I don't disagree, but that ship likely sailed with Griezmann. Neymar, Sanchez, Bale, they're not coming here.
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Well I'm still hoping Sanchez hasn't sailed away yet. If there's even a hint of a chance, I think United need to go full pelt at it.

I don't think any team is capable of winning the title without a top class supporting act. Rashford and Martial have the potential to be that good but I think this season is too soon. Even when Leicester won the league with all Vardy's goals, Mahrez was the one who got player of the season.
 
LawCharltonBest said:
Well I'm still hoping Sanchez hasn't sailed away yet. If there's even a hint of a chance, I think United need to go full pelt at it.

I don't think any team is capable of winning the title without a top class supporting act. Rashford and Martial have the potential to be that good but I think this season is too soon. Even when Leicester won the league with all Vardy's goals, Mahrez was the one who got player of the season.
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and when we've won the league we had goal scoreres "all ov er the pitch"
 
This is one of Mourinho's flaws and if he keeps doing this, it will crush the relationship between him and Ed. SAF will NEVER write out his chairman over transfers. SAF will do his own bit to make the transfer possible not whine to the media. I know the anti-Woody crew will enjoy this, but it's a terrible route for us as a club.
 
Von Mistelroum said:
None of those are left wingers. Martial has either lost his confidence, or was just having a great start to his United career. Rashford is a forward and won't cause too many problems from the LW for top teams in organised games. Mkhi looks pretty poor there and it's his weakest position I think. We need a LW player, but I feel that we need a DM too, and possibly at least one full back, as we're low on quality on the left and we're screwed if Valencia gets injured on the right.
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Dm is a higher priority. We only have a former player there
 
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