The bold bit spot on. Underlined bit would make a mockery of what woody said a couple of years ago of money not being a problem. I think its out of 2 things. either its a Mexican standoff, where we wont offer the full amount and wait for the other club to cave in, which wont happen with Perisic, as we were hoping FFP was going to hamper them. Or as others have mentioned we are working on other options, and will bring in a surprise player to play LW. We will see whhat scenario happenswith Matic as Chelsea have stated what he will cost.
Mourinho not happy with transfer window - Exclusive interview with Ogden
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I'm interested in the opinion about A.Pereira as DM from those who saw him after play there for a combined 90'. Do you qualify?
Veratti doesn't appear to be available. Likewise Griezmann, Dybala, Dembele, Mbappe etc don't appear to be this Summer.
I agree we're light in midfield but again I'd prefer to go into the season a bit light and make use if our younger players and next year buy someone who's great, rather than just decent.
As I said previously the performances of Lukaku, Martial and Pogba this coming season will be infinitely more important to where we finish, irrespective of signing someone like Matic.
In an attacking sense I'd be curious if people would prefer Perisic now or to throw £350k a week wages at Sanchez next Summer, for example.
Neither does anyone else which is what makes the moaning so daft.
Press links us with Keane for a couple of weeks, we buy Lindelof.
Press links us with Morata for a month and we buy Lukaku. They had absolutely zero idea of it happening and negotiations had been going on since April.
It's perfectly within the realms of possibility that we have a midfielder and a winger other than Matic/Dier and Peresic on the go and Mourinho's comments are designed to make the selling chairman realise that while we want those players, we also accept the situation where we walk away from all of them and they don't get their pay day. By all means take an inflated fee, don't take the piss.
He won't make use of the younger players though. It will be Fellaini. Fellaini instead of Pogba. It's the stuff of nightmares.
So what's the solution? Spend £50m on Matic today, rather than play hardball and probably get him for £35m in a few weeks time?
My overriding point is explaining why we haven't signed 4 players by July 1st. We don't have infinite money and we'd prefer to spend big fees on great players, not decent ones.
This is exactly right and thats why were struggling. Woodys trying the Mexican standoff see who blinks first, but were in no position to do it at this moment.
Have we ever really bought the great players, I know we bought Rio, but have we ever bought a Ronaldo type player in his pomp? We usually buy 2nd tier stars not the mega ones.
I'm not moaning, though. I'm saying the current situation we're at is strange and tbh, with only 3 preseason games remaining after Madrid game and the super cup being about 20 days or so from now while we don't seem to be progressing in the market. It's a normal reaction to start getting worried about we're doing in the market.
At least we chase Morata for one month. Perisic and Matic/Dier links have been going for a whole of 2 months now with a stalemate in their links it's fair to get somewhat surprised. We should have moved to other targets long, long ago, at the same time we decided to move on from Morata, or pay the price and get them. 2 months of getting linked to the same 3 players with zero progress.
I still hope you're right and we do the deals quickly either paying or moving, but at this rate currently, I find it hard to keep optimistic about securing the deals tbh. I'm optimistic by nature and tried hard to keep optimistic as long as possible but the whole situation is starting to get a bit strange.
Ed needs to prove something in the coming days.
In the Europa League final it was Fellaini instead of the youngster Rooney. Just saying...
No I didnt see the whole game but was going on the few games I saw him play at youth and he didnt play DM he was mainly CM or AM. If hes got the discipline to learn the role he could be similar to Carrick, not a destroyer but as a deep playmaker. Maybe he can learn the tackling bit, but he hasnt the build of a normal DM.
£100m fee we would have paid for Griezmann is looking like a relative bargain when compared with some of the deals happening this summer.
We are in the CL this time though. The standard will be a lot higher.
I think the likes of Di Maria, Falcao, Ibrahimovich, Pogba etc are as close to top tier as you're going to get.
I am assuming that the other 2 players we want are a midfielder and a winger, I wonder what's the priority?
I would say that it should be a winger, but it looks like we're pushing more for a midfielder.
I would say that it should be a winger, but it looks like we're pushing more for a midfielder.
Up until last week they had only signed Ederson and Silva. Took them 2 months to get Walker/Danilo/Mendy finalised (and Mendy is still waiting to be official). Wouldn't call that swift and effective.
No, Pogba qualifies but Ibra Falcao were well past their peaks when we signed them. Veron was though. And we almost signed Ronaldhino too.
Zlatan Blanc Falcao and Larsson were past their peak when we signed them.
ADM didn't want to be here. I wish we got last season Falcao. Ibra is coming to the end of his career, but still pretty good. Pogba I hope proves his worth this year, because last season he was slightly underwhelming, the signs in pre-season are good. If Lukaku is this seasons big signing I hope he is consistent all season. We cannot afford for him to have slumps unless we get the productivity from other players. If we don't those slumps could be costly. There will be pressure on Lukaku, but I actually think the pressure should be on the likes of Rashford/Martial/Lingard/Mata/Mhki who were the reason we didn't score enough goals.
We didn't though. We seem always be close to getting these type of players, but they prefer to sign for a PSG/Barcelona/Bayern/Real.
The reasons we didn't score were spread between all our attackers (possibly Mata aside). Ibrahimovich for example missed 18 big chances in the PL, 7 more than anyone else and in far less minutes.
If Lukaku gets the chances Zlatan did, whilsr stauong fit and performing as he did for Everton he'll get the best part of 30 goals.
Yes thats true. If any of those teams are in for the same player we are aftee we mostly likely wont sign him.
Cant remember if we had any contest for Veron. He was a huge name.
He will, but if the others are the same we will not be any better off.
Veron could have been massive for us, but I think even SAF realised he didn't make the best use of him.
We had a team of great players to ensure we were still challenging then.
People seem to forget this when not wanting United to buy recently.
Have you seen his pre match press conference from a week ago or so before the salt lake game or the galaxy game? I was referring to that one where he said he needs more players and utd are acting too slow and he needed all his signings for pre season? The following day after his press conference, talksport were on about all day about how jose moans, he cant coach players or promote players from the youth team and he just buys players all the time. I dont agree with the talksport pundits, but jose should wait a little longer. At the end of the season he said woodward has a list of tragets and he wants to switch off from football for a bit, its like the board are under pressure from jose to deliver all his targets or he wont be a happy bunny. His latest quote seems a bit logical to his previous ones.
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...or spend £50M on Matic today or spending £60M on the same player, on August 31st.
With regards to penny pinching, as fans, why are you all so intent on saving money? If the money is not spent on player, it will go into the pockets of The Glazers...just like the way they pocketed so much money, during the last decade or so.
Make it Fellaini for youngster Mhkitaryan, then.
I saw all his interviews and it was perfectly normal interview. He didn't moan, in fact he made good points regarding how difficult the market is, so he would be happy if we can get 3rd player and forget 4th player.
We lost bastian and Morgan, but they were hardly squad players last season.
We also have Perreira back.
Why don't we even try this picking up of promising young players from South America or anywhere thing Real Madrid seems to be doing. We seem to be going for just established players in Europe and nothing else. I remember when we were getting the likes of Petrucci,Llajic etc, sure it didn't work out as planned but it gave us something to look forward to. Look at us debating Matic or Dier like they're the only midfielders in the world, and I don't think either are that great
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Who said to you we are not doing that now also. We bought some exciting young talents like traore, baars,the kid from Charlton and others. We cannot expect all the positions to be filled with the help of academy players. We need experience also and that's where the likes of perisic and matic fit in well.
If you read my posts it would be obvious: because we don't have unlimited money.
Spending £100m on Perisic and Matic could well mean that if a much better player is available next season, then we won't have the funds to sign them.
Say our budget for this Summer and next Summer is £300m, of which £110m has been spent on Lukaku & Lindelof. I personally would prefer to go into next Summer with £190m, than go into it with £90m and Perisic/Matic.
The club has a budget for transfers (just like it does for wages), it isn't a case of "either we buy Matic for £50m or Joel Glazer gets a bonus of £50m". If the latter is getting a bonus, he'll be getting it irrespective.
It's the same reason that paying stupid salaries isn't desirable. For every £300k we give to Rooney every week that's one world class player we can't buy.
but he also made a strong point that the champions have signed 3 very good players, city doing their business quickly and proficiently...yes he praised woodward, but there was also definitely a frustration that yet again we seem to be doing things too slowly as the lads we do get in, and no doubt we'll get another one or two in, should be with us for pre-season and not once the season has started.
I'm not saying we should fill the squad with academy players, far from it. We buy a lot of young players but it's been a while since any was good enough for the first team. Before Rashford you have to go as far back as Welbz and he was shite. Madrid despite spending heavily on star players are still miles ahead of us in terms of promising youngsters. They gobble up all these young players from South America and other places who they still sell at profit even if they aren't good enough for them. We have a lot of youngsters currently right now and none of them excite me, especially the British ones. Where do the likes of Juve and Madrid find the likes of Dybala, Casmiro before they become superstars? Is there something stopping our scouting system from exploiting that market? We only seem seem to be going after prospects in Europe. Even Fergie managed to sniff out Chicha back then, we don't seem even interested in those type of siginings at all
We have rashy and lingard as two results in our squad. Then there are dosh mensah. Tuanzebe and now A Pereira who can become a good squad members for us. If anything, since sir alex retired we have done a decent job of promoting youth players.
Yes real madrid have good scouting network in South America . Marcelo, higuain and casemiro are some.prominent names who have shown but even they don't find them consistently. Also, apart from silva brothers and chicha, we never struck any gold with south american players.
As for dubala, if I am not wrong , juve didn't scout him but it was Palermo who bought him.
Well look at the players you mentioned for Madrid(Marcelo,Higuain etc) but then for our side we got Rashy and fecking Lingard. From what I've seen from Tuanzebe and Mensah I'm not that impressed by either. I'm not even talking about becoming squad players I mean getting young players who will be stars. We make jokes about signing the next Messi but given the state of our scouting if anybody will get the next Messi it certainly won't be us. You mentioned the only 3 players we got from South America and none were outright failures.
That's what I said,we never struck any gold with south american players. Chicha was just one example and da Silva other two. Apart from that we never were good in getting top south american talents.
Mexico is in North America
So we say no to Perisic, who are the other options and why do you think any club is going to not charge us extra?
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