Genuinely think Ed is pretty bad at this. Sure, we have a special relationship with Raiola which makes signing his top clients easier, but otherwise, he doesn't really seem to have the ability to negotiate for top players very well.
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This is a transfer market where you either pay what clubs request or you don't get anything done. Owners not ready to pay up what other clubs are asking of us? Cash flow problem? Who knows!
The only thing that matter is our rivals seem to be willing to pay extraordinary fees for good players but we aren't. If other clubs keep doing this but we simply reject to do so, we will just be left in the dust.
We have needed strengthening on both wings and fullback positions for quite a few seasons now but we haven't done anything except for Shaw. On the other hand City completely replaced their fullback positions and also signed a backup which would go straight into our starting lineup in just 1 window.
I really don't think this is Woodward's fault as he has to work with the funds he's given. This may be one of the reasons why Mourinho is willing to go down to 3 targets instead of 4.
The only thing that matter is our rivals seem to be willing to pay extraordinary fees for good players but we aren't. If other clubs keep doing this but we simply reject to do so, we will just be left in the dust.
We have needed strengthening on both wings and fullback positions for quite a few seasons now but we haven't done anything except for Shaw. On the other hand City completely replaced their fullback positions and also signed a backup which would go straight into our starting lineup in just 1 window.
I really don't think this is Woodward's fault as he has to work with the funds he's given. This may be one of the reasons why Mourinho is willing to go down to 3 targets instead of 4.
The owner cares. It's a bit pathetic that even after spending so much over the last few years, some manchild can't stop losing the plot.
Look at how well Bayern and Juve have done again in the transfer market, the inflated transfer market isn't having much of an effect on them now is it? Heck look at Chelsea even, 22 year old Bakayako for £35m rising to £39m with add ons.
Exactly, we don't have much to show for that spending either. The Juventus guy can't get started soon enough.
Out of interest, did Bayern pay Real what they wanted for James? Even Chelsea didn't pay Real what they wanted for Moratta.
Truth is, our CEO is vastly out of his depth in the market. He has almost always overpaid for our signings. Don't even get me started on the wages we pay even to our average squad players.
We're a bigger name than Chelsea. The price inevitably goes up by £10mil. Bakayoko for £35/38m seems a bargain but then when City go looking for players it's £50m plus. I'm not sure it's all Woody's fault he won't be held to ransom. We pay when we really need to
Crazy market!
I have no sympathy for the owners and how much money they want to cream from us.
I'm interested in wanting to win the league.
What? You think Monaco aren't aware of how much money Abramavic has? According to that theory, Bayern should be paying more for players than PSG or City.
It's very much woody's fault when he decided to pay (at the time) £37m for Mata when he was out of favour at Chelsea. Paid huge amounts of Di Maria. Paid an unprecedented amount for Martial for someone with that little experience at the top level.
He's the one who made it clear to clubs that we will happily overpay and undersell.
It's not about who has more money; Usmanov at Arsenal is apparently richer than Abramovic.
When Utd come knocking the price goes up, always has, always will. We are a much bigger global name than Chelsea or any other British team or PSG
We don't have unlimited funds.
We have been spending every year and we will have to continue doing so. It isn't like we are dithering over a potential superstar in the waiting. We are looking to get deals done for a couple of players who aren't going to be long term and it's perfectly fine to not get fleeced unnecessarily.
Yep, United always have had to pay more for players, right back to Bryan Robson, Gary Pallister, Roy Keane etc. Fergie mentions in his first book we enquired for Peter Beardsley from Newcastle and were quoted £3m, before they sold him to Liverpool the week after for £1.9m.
We always have had to and pay more we always will - one of those things.
Well said. Now if only some of the posters on here would come to the same realisation
Usmanov doesn't have a controlling stake at Arsenal.
Yes it has a lot to do with how much money the buying club has. That's why little city were paying insane transfer fees 6/7 years ago. Far more than most teams.
We also wanted Jermaine Defoe from West Ham; They wanted 10m+. We said no and he went to Spurs for around £5m I think. That's the way it works
See that is the point. IMHO we paid decent money for Lindelof, when we needed to pay much for Lukaku we paid. So we can pay extra for quality.
Our reluctance to pay up for Persisc and Matic/Dier looks like the club is aware they are not top drawer players. So we wont budge.
I'm not sure what the point you're trying to make but it's naive to ignore the fact that when Utd are involved, negotiating clubs put the price up.
We don't have to be held to ransom, nor do those cubs have to back down...it's a fact
Didn't know that one. Yep, the way of the world for us in the market.
The United Tax is a real thing. Being publically traded means that our accounts are public knowledge - when people know how rich you are, they will do everything in their power to bend you over for everything you're worth.
Reminds me of that Simpsons episode when the Hollywood crew came to Springfield to shoot Radioactive man, the town's people went about crippling the production with exorbitant prices.
My hope is that we get our scouting networks up to scratch and stop being held to ransom, in an ideal and not insane market, we would have both Lukaku and Moratta.
Reminds me of that Simpsons episode when the Hollywood crew came to Springfield to shoot Radioactive man, the town's people went about crippling the production with exorbitant prices.
My hope is that we get our scouting networks up to scratch and stop being held to ransom, in an ideal and not insane market, we would have both Lukaku and Moratta.
Spot on! When the former went for 4 time less than they value him now....it's apparent that Utd won't budge
We also wanted Di Canio, they quoted ridiculous money. Fergie would be blackmailed and thus ended Di Canio' dream to play for a big club
Then we need to be the same. It seems to be changing slightly, but stop giving players away. Chelsea/City get great money for their kids. Make sure we do the same. We sell them for peanuts.
Then push the boat out and get a top notch player. Although Dier isn't that bad, just Spurs are bad to deal with where we are concerned.
United don't have unlimited resources. Every additional £10m is money that comes off our future budget. Having already spent £110m this Summer it just isn't practical to spend another £100m. To do so would be essentially borrowing against future funds for players that don't justify doing that. If Bale were available I have no doubt that we'd do so, but Matic and Perisic?
If Mourinho wants say Alli or Griezmann next year and spending £100m on Perisic/Matic prevents us from signing them posters like yourself would work yourselves into (even more) of a frenzy.
If you'd heard Woodward during our financial announcements he made it clear that we're heading towards a period of less player turnover. Naturally the spend since Fergie retired can be maintained, but it won't be increased.
How much do you realistically think we can spend every single Summer?
Perisic is a good player who would improve us although not a top player. On the other hand I rate Matic as being one of the best DMs in world football. I do see your point although still in the position we are currently in, we shouldn't really complain about transfer fees and continue paying what it takes seeing that it is very unlikely we're going to sign a winger or a DM who are better than Perisic and Matic.
We need to improve our weakest areas or we will just be a slight improvement over last season.
If we don't strengthen and finish outside the Top 4 again then surely that will affect income, status and the standard of player we can sign. We have signed two this window, neither of which the really big clubs abroad would look at twice. That is the standard we are at. I would love a Veratti here and if it meant including Martial I could do it. If Martial does not improve this season then he will be gone. Veratti is on a completely different level to Martial and would make people sit up.
Jose moaning all the time and getting his excuses in early. Chill jose there is still time, and utd wont pay 50m-60m for average players
Problem there is that to get better ones it will cost more, or will for us.
He isn't moaning. Maybe if you read those quotes in some angry tone then you feel he is moaning.
We're going to a stalemate at this point. We don't want to pay but don't want to move to other targets.
If you want 2 specific targets so much that you're not willing to move to other targets then pay the price and get them, otherwise move to other targets if you have one, but keeping on this stalemate won't have a good sign when the season starts. I don't understand what's going on anymore.
If you want 2 specific targets so much that you're not willing to move to other targets then pay the price and get them, otherwise move to other targets if you have one, but keeping on this stalemate won't have a good sign when the season starts. I don't understand what's going on anymore.
Pereira isnt a DM. Whether he can be turned into one is another thing. TFM would be a better option, aside from long passing, which he neednt do just ba a destroyer and lay it off.
Looking at this window, Pogba was a really good deal if you forget that we had him for free.
We have no issue paying huge fees and wages for world class players. Di Maria, Falcao, Ibrahimovich, Pogba etc are obvious proof of that; as was our bid for Griezmann.
Our problem is with splurging excessive amounts for good but not great players. This would have a knock on effect in terms of or ability to pay for the great players.
Would we want Matic and Perisic now, but at the expense of maybe someone like Veratti, Griezmann, Dybala, Dembele etc next Summer? I highly doubt it.
If given the choices Woodward has, everyone would do as he's doing. Spend the big fees on the real game changers.
I bet you thought the same about Morata too.
I had hopes that Perisic and Matic deals have other targets being linked behind the scenes and I still hope so, but currently I don't if this is true or not anymore. I don't understand what our movements in the markets currently.
It could also make Perisic feel undervalued by Utd as well. It works both ways. If the gap was only 7-8 million difference, as quoted in the press, why dont we just pay it. Mou needs him, Inter dont need to sell. If you turn it round and it was Madrid after De Gea would Utd accept less than our valuation?
Although City are a bit pathetic buying every available player, they've put us to shame in how swiftly and effectively they've conducted the transfers. We need to address this quickly.
If Veratti is available now I would be all over it and Martial would be included if that is what it takes. Just two signings is not enough. An injury to Pogba/Herrera and we are screwed. People say about Pereira, yes he will get games but I could not want him in there just yet. He was good last season, but it is easy to standard out in a side that got relegated. He was obviously a class above their other players. It would have been more interesting to see how he looked in say a Sevilla/Villareal side.
You don't think that that is what Ed is doing now? Playing hardball and taking a stand against over-the-top prices, trying to give us a stronger bargaining position in the years to come? Everybody expects us to pay an excessive amount of money, and as others have said as soon as we show interest in a player their price seems to go up by £10-20m. The only way we will ever shake that is by taking a hard stand and showing that we won't be taken to the cleaners. Obviously we'll pay good prices, but not stupidly overboard.
In theory it's a great thing from Ed. The problem is, we're doing it from a position of weakness to some extent. We haven't been performing on the field, and everyone knows that we need to bring players in. We aren't in a fantastic bargaining position at the moment. As such, perhaps it would be better for Ed to wait until we get in a stronger position on the field before fully taking this stance. Of course the longer you wait, the harder it will be. And there are no guarantees that we'll be in that position in a year or two.
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