Slovan Bratislava beat Barca to win the Cup winners cup and Magdeburg beat Milan to win the trophy - those achievements should be considered the same as winning the Champions league with Porto too
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Slovan Bratislava beat Barca to win the Cup winners cup and Magdeburg beat Milan to win the trophy - those achievements should be considered the same as winning the Champions league with Porto too
Just going to disregard everything else then as well? Oh and who exactly did Porto beat in the Champions League final? Since you seem like you just want to judge the achievement on one game.
Edit: Feel bad now because it seems like I'm dwarfing Porto's achievement, which isn't what I'm trying to do. Magnificent achievement by Porto, but does one need such inflammatory statements to accompany great achievement?
Ferguson has done it with a smaller team and proved his mettle. I can only guess that you are wumming and I certainly won't be one to fall for it.
Edit: Feel bad now because it seems like I'm dwarfing Porto's achievement, which isn't what I'm trying to do. Magnificent achievement by Porto, but does one need such inflammatory statements to accompany great achievement?
Ferguson has done it with a smaller team and proved his mettle. I can only guess that you are wumming and I certainly won't be one to fall for it.
Nope, second biggest maybe but not sure if Sporting still the second, been Benfica the biggest.
He won the UEFA Cup first and the CL a year later and they league both seasons.
He's won a cup every year since 2003 an won the manager of the year in 6 of the previous 8 seasons. If he wins the league it would make it 7 in last 9 seasons.
He's basically always a success. I don't get how people can criticize his achievements. That's the one thing you can't.
He's won a cup every year since 2003 an won the manager of the year in 6 of the previous 8 seasons. If he wins the league it would make it 7 in last 9 seasons.
He's basically always a success. I don't get how people can criticize his achievements. That's the one thing you can't.
Why is that ? It's not like united are any good in Europe.
I wonder where the arrogant little gobshite would be today if the referee had not been a totally incompetent asshat one fatefull OT wed evening.....
Can't keep away, can you, freak?
Comparing Jose and SAF is like comparing Messi and Giggs. Both are phenomenal but one is just a tad better even though the ability to sustain that level over decades is yet to be proven.
OMG please don't compare saf with Mourinho. Mourhino is the the best mgr bar none right now.
Who has criticised his achievements?
Yes but as you choose to support liverpool your judgement has already been proven to be suspect.
Whoosh...
Apart from Dalglish and Benitez.
If you're rating Mourinho above Sir Alex then you're an absolute joke. The cheek of people.
Ferguson>>>>>>Mourinho. When Mourinho stops jumping ship every few seasons and starts building the kind of legacy that Ferguson has built, they they can be compared.
Ferguson has proven that he can do the kind of thing Mourinho did with Porto. Mourinho is yet to prove that he can do the kind of thing Ferguson has done with Man utd.
Ferguson has proven that he can do the kind of thing Mourinho did with Porto. Mourinho is yet to prove that he can do the kind of thing Ferguson has done with Man utd.
Mourinho took over Chelsea at exactly the right time to take advantage of Abramovic's money, went to Inter when they were already Italian champions and went to Madrid after they had spent 80 million on the most expensive player in history and a host of others. Hes never had to go to a club and overhaul things and start from square one, hes been fairly lucky where and when he has taken over a club. I don't see how he can be compared to Sir Alex.
This.
Dominating one of the strongest leagues in the world for 20 years is a far superior achievement to anything Mourinho has done, and you point about building a legacy is fair too. A manager is there to build a team for years and then, in a perfect world, rebuild it when the time comes. Mourinho hasn't done it yet.
He's done well in hs short term project at both Chelsea and Inter, yet to deliver for Real but he's on a good way. It remains to be seen if he can work long term. Only when he prove that he does we will be able to compare him to Ferguson.
Do to Spurs what Ferguson did to Man utd and then we'll start talking.
I think he may be able to work long term, however I can't see that happening at Real Madrid. They have a board which will constantly put their manager under pressure, and even if Mourinho wants to stay, he may find himself in a situation where they have a bad season and he no longer has a say in a manager. Some would say that you can't sack him, but they did sack Del Bosque after all of his success.
Mourinho's view on the managerial game does seem to have changed over the past few years, though. He was once a manager who had a vision of going to many of the major leagues and winning trophies. There's a good chance that he'll achieve his goal of winning the three of Premier League, Serie A and La Liga by the end of this season. I think he has changed his mind recently though. He now wants to find himself a club that he can stay at for a relatively long period of time, and build up a legacy there.
Mourinho's view on the managerial game does seem to have changed over the past few years, though. He was once a manager who had a vision of going to many of the major leagues and winning trophies. There's a good chance that he'll achieve his goal of winning the three of Premier League, Serie A and La Liga by the end of this season. I think he has changed his mind recently though. He now wants to find himself a club that he can stay at for a relatively long period of time, and build up a legacy there.
Ryan Giggs tearing defences apart for 20 yrs in one of the strongest leagues is perhaps a far superior achievement than what Messi has done too
Ryan Giggs tearing defences apart for 20 yrs in one of the strongest leagues is perhaps a far superior achievement than what Messi has done too
Completely different.
Are you suggesting Jose's achievements are ahead of Fergie's?Ryan Giggs tearing defences apart for 20 yrs in one of the strongest leagues is perhaps a far superior achievement than what Messi has done too
Ryan Giggs tearing defences apart for 20 yrs in one of the strongest leagues is perhaps a far superior achievement than what Messi has done too
Your analogy is retarded. Don't let that deter you, though.
You're leaving out the important bits - namely that Mourinho took each of the clubs you mentioned to the next level whereas they had floundered to do so before he arrived. That's not to mention winning the CL with a relatively minnowish side like Porto. So given that he's won 6 leagues, 4 FA Cup equivalent trophies, and 2 CLs, he hasn't done too badly for himself.
The point is, that Ferguson has managed to match the best that Mourinho has done. Probably the most amazing thing he has done so far is the CL win with Porto. Ferguson has a comparison to that. Mourinho cannot compete with his longevity, legacy building or pushing what was at the time a midtable club to domination of the league.
Messi has reached the highest levels that Giggs ever reached and surpassed them by a huge amount.
Messi has reached the highest levels that Giggs ever reached and surpassed them by a huge amount.
Ryan Giggs tearing defences apart for 20 yrs in one of the strongest leagues is perhaps a far superior achievement than what Messi has done too
Different things are expected of managers and players, and on top of that Mourinho hasn't done anything that Ferguson hasn't achieved. Ferguson has won every single trophy he could have possibly won. I don't remember Giggs scoring 40+ in a season let alone three in a row.
Head to Head record between Jose and SAF:
Played 13; Jose 6 wins; SAF 2 wins; Draws 5;
Played 13; Jose 6 wins; SAF 2 wins; Draws 5;
I think Ferguson recognises there is something akin to himself in Mourinho, but I truly believe that Fergie also believes he's not the right guy for united. To be honest I don't think Fergie the board or anyone knows who would be right, because its a no win situation. Its going to be the hardest bloody decision that united have taken since Busby left and we all know what happened after that. Who the bloody hell would want to take over a club with this much success? I think the board will surprise us and go with someone like Moyes...someone who doesn't have the kudos, but has the potential to be a great manager.
Meaningless. Wenger had a better head-to-head against Sir Alex for a few years after he first arrived and now Sir Alex dominates. Jose's record is off the back of Abramovic's billions and a United side in transition.
Proves absolutely nothing.
Head to head record for Redknapp vs Wenger:
Redknapp: 3, draws: 3, Wenger: 1
That's in the league. What's your point?
Redknapp: 3, draws: 3, Wenger: 1
That's in the league. What's your point?
Exactly. Our 2004-05 and 2005-06 sides were clearly not good enough but as soon as Ferguson completed a new side we won the league in 2006-07, ahead of Mourinho's Chelsea themselves.
Wenger wins on tax returns though.
Head to head between Pardew and Ferguson would be interesting.
You're basically providing us with a portfolio of things not to use in a managerial debate.
Head to head between Guardiola amd Mourinho would also basically prove that Mourinho is a terrible manager.
Staying with just one of the top leagues limits the possibility of winning against different challenges - the tactics, the mentality and skills needed to win the league are different in England, Italy and Spain.
Jose not losing a home league game for the best part of 10 managerial years is the equivalent of scoring 40+ goals in ten seasons.