We're an at an era where it'll be impossible for coaches to be given time to build legacies.Either you perform very quickly or you get the boot.
Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager
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We're an at an era where it'll be impossible for coaches to be given time to build legacies.Either you perform very quickly or you get the boot.
A job at spurs is hardly going to take him a very long time to build a team for the title though. They already have some very good players. Knowing mourinho though, real to spurs doesnt look like what he'd do. That said, i dont see where he can go if he does come back to england.
Levy reportedly offered him the job 5 times in one day, still don't see him joining Spurs anytime soon though.
He's done ok for himself in his collective 9 years with different clubs. 6 leagues, 4 FA Cup equivalent medals, and 2 CLs. I do agree that his only blemish is that he hasn't stayed long enough to build long term situations at any of the clubs. Moving on from Porto was logical, as was moving on from Chelsea given Roman's ego, and a similar logic would could be applied to his impending departure from Madrid).
This is part of the problem with Mourinho though. He'd come, win a few cups, maybe even a league title with Spurs. Because he's a great manager. And I disagree with people who say he plays poor football. He tends to play good football imo, its just that, at Chelsea especially, games weren't necessarily exciting because as soon as they would go 1-0 up, that would be game over.
He'd probably do it while giving Ferguson a chinese burn, flicking Wenger and wet willying AVB too. He'd be a bit of an embarrassment.
And we'd take all that, knowing he is likely to be off in 2-3 years time. That would be the killer.
Not that I'd necessarily be complaining though. The impact he'd have on the squad's and club's winning mentality, as well as prize money and worldwide exposure at a vital time with regards to the stadium, would be unbelievable.
Erm..yes they definitely have. Messi is a great of the game blah blah. But he can't be compared to Maradonna until he does something like drags his team to a world cup or manages to win a league title with an 'inferior team' and without the supporting cast of Xavi, Iniesta, Busquets etc.
I'm not saying that is my view, I am saying that it is a view which has been aired.
And Inter was always supposed to be a stop gap for him on a way to something bigger, he never looked genuinely attached to that club but he delivered what they expected of him or even more as Inter was never considered as CL favourites.
As for working with limited resources that's exactly how his job at Porto and Inter was. Wasn't his total net spending negative at Inter before his Treble season? He got €40m plus Eto'o for Zlatan and spent that €40m on Sneijder, Milito, Lucio and Motta. Excellent dealing. He made two outrageous purchases at the beginning though, spending close to €30m on Mancini and Quaresma. Although Macini at slightly more than €10m seemed like a rather good buy at the time.
As for working with limited resources that's exactly how his job at Porto and Inter was. Wasn't his total net spending negative at Inter before his Treble season? He got €40m plus Eto'o for Zlatan and spent that €40m on Sneijder, Milito, Lucio and Motta. Excellent dealing. He made two outrageous purchases at the beginning though, spending close to €30m on Mancini and Quaresma. Although Macini at slightly more than €10m seemed like a rather good buy at the time.
I know it sounds like I'm attacking Mourinho's record here but I'm really not. His record is absolutely outstanding, almost faultless in fact. And he's the second best manager in the world. But for me, if he's going to surpass Ferguson, he has to do something exceptional. And rotating between the super clubs, with huge resources, is not something exceptional (or sorry, not as exceptional as what Ferguson has achieved).
You don't believe winning the CL with Porto was exceptional?
The thing is Mourinho has said himself he would like stability and build a legacy at a club. Regardless of the Champions League triumph in 2004, he was going to leave Porto anyway - was inches away from joining Liverpool for starters.
At Real he clearly believes he won't get a chance to do that. The Premier League, yes -- if you look at what Ferguson and Wenger have done for their
respective clubs.
Mourinho has an amazing record and is obviously a good manager but there has been a little bit of right place right time where some of his success is concerned.
When he left Chelsea.
People are still too obsessed with the transfer fees paid by a club. The real expenditure is the wages. In 2010, Inter had a wage bill that was significantly higher than any club in England. Even now, they still have wages than any club other than City and probably Chelsea, I can't find their 2011 wage bill.
Do you believe it was as exceptional as Ferguson winning 3 of Aberdeen's 4 league titles? In the process breaking the Scottish duo of Celtic and Rangers? Winning one sixth of all league titles ever to go to a team not called Rangers or Celtic? Winning a European trophy with the same team, beating Real?
Then going to man utd, who hadn't done much for a long time and reinvigorating and changing the club from top to bottom?
Of course not. You didn't actually answer me. Personally, I think it was an exceptional achievement.
What do you mean I didn't answer you? The post is crystal clear. I'm talking about the kind of thing Mourinho needs to do to be considered an equal of Ferguson. In isolation, winning the CL with Porto is of course exceptional. In the context of his achievements vs. Ferguson's, not quite as much.
I didn't argue that it was. I merely asked you a question. You replied with one.
Ah yes, I remember that. I'm pretty sure that story only found itself in the Daily Mail, unsurprisingly with no quotes, so I'll take it with the huge pinch of salt required.
Because your question was answered within the original post that you quoted.
Crap, I meant to quote my own post and ended up editing it by accident instead. Well, what I meant to quote is now post 248.
How convenient.
Sorry, I'll go back to believing every word the pinnacle of journalistic excellence that is the Daily Mail tells me. And not questioning why a story from 'close Mourinho sources' ended up in only one paper...
Sorry, I'll go back to believing every word the pinnacle of journalistic excellence that is the Daily Mail tells me. And not questioning why a story from 'close Mourinho sources' ended up in only one paper...
It was in the Telegraph.
Link?
Was Jose Mourinho offered the Tottenham Hotspur job five times in one day after leaving Chelsea? - Telegraph
That is the only Telegraph story I can find on the issue. In 2011. Do you have it for 2007, when the Mail broke the story? Or the Guardian reporting that Levy may have gotten into contact with Mourinho (which I can believe)? Or the bbc doing their 'bbc understands' thing, reporting that no such plan to bring in Mourinho existed?
That is the only Telegraph story I can find on the issue. In 2011. Do you have it for 2007, when the Mail broke the story? Or the Guardian reporting that Levy may have gotten into contact with Mourinho (which I can believe)? Or the bbc doing their 'bbc understands' thing, reporting that no such plan to bring in Mourinho existed?
Can you imagine Levy paying what Jose would demand?
Yes.
I can't imagine Jose working with Levy.
Spurs are too small a club for Maurinho.
Levy would give Mourinho any salary he wished. He'd probably give him as much transfer funds as he wanted well. The wage bill and structure would probably be the sticking point though, as I can't imagine Levy allowing that to spiral too much out of control. We're not Real or Man utd, nor are we backed by a rich individual like Chelsea or Inter so we have to keep it relatively low.
Best manager in the world.
SAF would not have won the CL at a club like Porto or even with that Inter sqaud.
SAF would not have won the CL at a club like Porto or even with that Inter sqaud.
That Inter squad was terrific. Don't talk shite, what Ferguson did with Aberdeen is nothing short of miraculous and matches if not exceeds Mourinho's exploits with Porto.
What did Ferguson do with Aberdeen then?
And people talk as if the Inter squad was crap. It had some of the best players in the world even before Mourinho turned up. That isn't to take away from his achievements there, especially the mentality change, which were excellent.
And people talk as if the Inter squad was crap. It had some of the best players in the world even before Mourinho turned up. That isn't to take away from his achievements there, especially the mentality change, which were excellent.
Just like Sir Alex wouldn't turn an average top half English side into the dominant champions or England, or like he wouldn't lead a Scottish club to European success.
Cesar, Maicon, Lucio, Samuel, Zanetti, Chivu, Sneijder, Cambiasso, Eto'o, Milito, Pandev.
Amateurs.
Amateurs.
Breaking up the Rangers-Celtic monopoly (15 years or something like that since another team besides those two had won the league). Beating Bayern Munich(on the way) and then Real Madrid in the final of the European cup winners' cup.
Only the third Scottish team to win a European trophy. Couple of Scottish cups etc.
Nothing to be sneered at and certainly suggests that he 'couldn't win a Champions League' with that Porto team (because they are small, presumably) as a load of bollix.
Also, forgot to mention he drove THIS car......like a boss. (Can be seen from 1:43 onwards).