Mancini could yes, whereas Mourinho is proven.
You can guarantee that if Mourinho becomes available they'll be interested.
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Mancini could yes, whereas Mourinho is proven.
You can guarantee that if Mourinho becomes available they'll be interested.
Ferguson won't let someone else dictate when he ends his reign at Man utd. He'll finish on his own terms.
Balague on Twitter is suggesting that if Mourinho leaves this summer, Rafa is favourite to replace him.
Hilarious. Isn't Balague friends with Rafa too? Giving him a nice shout out from the obscurity he resides in!
Can't imagine Ronaldo playing for Rafa - he'd be Kuyted in no time!
Hilarious. Isn't Balague friends with Rafa too? Giving him a nice shout out from the obscurity he resides in!
Can't imagine Ronaldo playing for Rafa - he'd be Kuyted in no time!
Fergie isnt going anywhere... thankfully.
Sir Alex should step down and allow Mourinho to be appointed in his place? Can anyone think of a more un Sir Alex thing to suggest?
No doubt many clubs would be interested, but that's not to say he would go to Man City. First, Man City's owners would need to be sufficiently dissatisfied with Mancini in order to take action and risk interrupting the momentum Mancini has started. Second, Mourinho would have to consider taking a job at Man City when he may have aspirations to go elsewhere. Third, Man City would have to be resigned that bringing Mourinho on may not be a long term solution. So a lot of things would need to happen in order to make it plausible, and given Mancini's growing success, it doesn't really seem likely.
haha, will never happen. The way our season has gone so far, SAF would never leave..
I meant specifically Man City would be interested.
How often does the 'second best manager in the world' become available?
Its not like Mourinho guarantees a CL either, he didn't manage to get to the final with Chelsea and hasn't managed it so far with Real.
The sheikhs didn't move on Mancini when he finished 5th, didn't move him on when he spent most of last season scrapping for 4th with us and don't think they'll fire him this season either, especially if they win the league.
The sheikhs didn't move on Mancini when he finished 5th, didn't move him on when he spent most of last season scrapping for 4th with us and don't think they'll fire him this season either, especially if they win the league.
About once every 2-3 years.
I used to favour Mourinho as I thought he has the character big enough to take over from Fergie
The Madrid job will have toughened him up as well and he's 7 points ahead which I feel will be enough of a cushion to win the league as I can see
His tactics against barca have been ok for me - it's been his behaviour off the pitch and his players antics that would embarrass a club like ours
If he is to be our new boss in a couple of years i'd be very surprised someone of Mourinho's stature would be willing to be a number 2 at united
If he did though I think it would leave him in no doubt about youth being the priority, the emphasis on making star players rather than buying them
The most important thing is that he respects the club - conduct yourself with dignity
As I said though I can't see Mourinho being number 2
I think it's more a case of 7 points clear, on the way to winning the title against the best club side in the world and he's sending a message to his meddling superiors at madrid
The Madrid job will have toughened him up as well and he's 7 points ahead which I feel will be enough of a cushion to win the league as I can see
His tactics against barca have been ok for me - it's been his behaviour off the pitch and his players antics that would embarrass a club like ours
If he is to be our new boss in a couple of years i'd be very surprised someone of Mourinho's stature would be willing to be a number 2 at united
If he did though I think it would leave him in no doubt about youth being the priority, the emphasis on making star players rather than buying them
The most important thing is that he respects the club - conduct yourself with dignity
As I said though I can't see Mourinho being number 2
I think it's more a case of 7 points clear, on the way to winning the title against the best club side in the world and he's sending a message to his meddling superiors at madrid
Was Mourinho available then?
We'll have to agree to disagree then.
Personally I think if he becomes available they'll be all over him like a rash.
Zing!
He was in 2010.
Could go to Spurs?
Don't get me wrong, I think Mourinho is the best manager not named Fergie. I rate him higher than Pep because he's done it in multiple leagues and with a relatively minnowish club at Porto. I just don't think its automatic that he would go to City, because it would be up to him where he wants to go, and City would be quite a step down from Madrid.
Not sure we have the budget he needs and I reckon he'd at the very least least expect us to have some leniency on our wage structure before he'd consider coming in.
I agree with that part.
I just think that City would want him if he became available and wouldn't show any loyalty to Mancini.
I don't think Spurs are a big enough club for Mourinho.
For some reason I'd really like to see Mourinho at Spurs. We can take him off them in 3-4 years anyway, they're our feeder club 
I think you're overdoing it there. The Barca structure has been about a style of play and a philosophy for a long time now. It's still basically the one that Fabregas, Pique, Messi grew up in. However whereas Fabregas, Pique and others left or were loaned out to get experience Guardiola made sure players like Busquets and Pedro could stay at the club.
What changed was the seriousness with which the reserves were handled, and the role of the reserves as a real testing ground and bridge to the first team. Barca B were down in Division 3, Guardiola (as B team manager) got them up to 2B and they maintained that improvement (after he became first team manager) to become a division 2 team.
Interestingly Mourinho is the first manager since Del Bosque to go and watch Madrid's reserves regularly. A few months after he arrived, he ordered an overhaul of the youth team structure. The reserves got a new manager and went from the bottom half of 2B to promotion contenders in a few months, but missed out on promotion in the playoffs. They currently lead their 2B division.
Size has absolutely nothing to do with it. Neither Chelsea nor City are 'big clubs' in the traditional sense. Its all about the money. A Saudi sheikh buys us tomorrow and starts pumping in hundreds of millions, I'm sure we would suddenly become 'big' enough for Mourinho.
Porto, Chelsea, Inter, Real. All have a theme. Rich clubs (for their leagues) and all already amongst the top 2/3 teams in their country. All of them able to purchase the players that Mourinho wants, with a wage structure that allows them to purchase these players. We can't fulfill that. Which is why we're a very unlikely option. Not the size of the club.
Fcuk off Mourinho, don't want that egotistical little cnut anywhere near Old Trafford.
To be fair, he won the CL with Porto who are no where near being a big team in Europe. Won the treble with Inter when again they could not even get past the first knockout stage in CL and beat current Barca team en route to that something we have not been able to do in two tries. And now even with Real he has to go against the one of the best team of all time to win the league, let alone CL.
What you say is right that he is not going to take a challenge even similar to one Wenger has or some other managers may.
Spurs aren't a big enough club for Mourinho without a sugar daddy.
United however are.
Well, that is kind of my point. Winning the lottery doesn't make you a big club, yet he's already managed Chelsea and you've been arguing that City may well get him at the end of this season. He doesn't need a 'big club', he needs a club that can provide him with good resources.
United don't need a sugar daddy, you have the second or highest revenue in the world do you not?
United don't need a sugar daddy, you have the second or highest revenue in the world do you not?
Of course, I'm not trying to belittle his achievements at all, he's the second best manager on the planet for me. I just think that, other than Porto (his best achievement for me), he's had the resources at his other clubs to more than compete on a national and European level.
We've seen that he can do that. It will be the same at Man utd. You have a world class set up already in terms of youth, reserve levels and training facilities. You have the largest club stadium in the country which you regularly fill and a great squad with an excellent mentality, with some young players coming though.
Same as some want Guardiola to get out of his comfort zone, I'd like Mourinho to do the same. Can he lead someone like Spurs to the league title? Or Seville/Athletico etc?
Won't see it though, I'm sure his next club will be someone like Man utd.
We've seen that he can do that. It will be the same at Man utd. You have a world class set up already in terms of youth, reserve levels and training facilities. You have the largest club stadium in the country which you regularly fill and a great squad with an excellent mentality, with some young players coming though.
Same as some want Guardiola to get out of his comfort zone, I'd like Mourinho to do the same. Can he lead someone like Spurs to the league title? Or Seville/Athletico etc?
Won't see it though, I'm sure his next club will be someone like Man utd.
He could leave Spain in the summer having vanquished Barca of their league and European titles.
Even the league alone, which looks likely, is an achievement in itself. He might have come a cropper when it comes to head to heads with Guardiola, but everyone has bogey teams. His bogey team just so happens to be the best team many of us have ever seen.
Wherever he goes, if the club is competitive, he's going to win things. I don't see the point of him going to a more modest club to prove his worth when he's one of the elite who can go on to be the most successful of all time. He's young, he has plenty of time for a job with Spurs or something similar. In the meantime, he's got the pick of the very finest to choose from.
Even the league alone, which looks likely, is an achievement in itself. He might have come a cropper when it comes to head to heads with Guardiola, but everyone has bogey teams. His bogey team just so happens to be the best team many of us have ever seen.
Wherever he goes, if the club is competitive, he's going to win things. I don't see the point of him going to a more modest club to prove his worth when he's one of the elite who can go on to be the most successful of all time. He's young, he has plenty of time for a job with Spurs or something similar. In the meantime, he's got the pick of the very finest to choose from.
Again, I'm not belittling his achievements. Why can't he do it the other way round? Go to a 'more modest' club, win trophies with them and then later on go back to winning with the biggest clubs.
For me, unless Mourinho does something similar, he'll always be a level below Ferguson, regardless of how many trophies he has won. Ferguson broke the stranglehold of the big two in Scotland, winning three of the four league titles they've won in their history. Won a European trophy against Real Madrid.
Then took over a club that hadn't done a great deal for a while, certainly weren't even close to being dominant in any way and built it up. Lifted the club back up, won trophies, revloutionised the club and the way it worked, everything.
You ever see Mourinho doing anything similar to what Ferguson has done? Or is he going to rotate between Europe's top clubs, picking up trophy after trophy but never really building a legacy?
For me, unless Mourinho does something similar, he'll always be a level below Ferguson, regardless of how many trophies he has won. Ferguson broke the stranglehold of the big two in Scotland, winning three of the four league titles they've won in their history. Won a European trophy against Real Madrid.
Then took over a club that hadn't done a great deal for a while, certainly weren't even close to being dominant in any way and built it up. Lifted the club back up, won trophies, revloutionised the club and the way it worked, everything.
You ever see Mourinho doing anything similar to what Ferguson has done? Or is he going to rotate between Europe's top clubs, picking up trophy after trophy but never really building a legacy?
That's not really his fault though; his value just rocketed with Porto to the point where Chelski came in for him. He hasn't had to move to foreign country, to a more modest club, and show that he can make them winners.
Like him or not, there's no doubt that he has the ability to make an average group of players achieve above their station.
I think it's not totally unlikely he might end up at Spurs soon, with the attraction being the challenge of winning the league there...
Spurs for 2-3 years until Fergie retires. I can see that.
Spurs will need a new manager in the summer too, what with 'Arry moving on to Wormwood Scrubs.
Why does not people say the same about football players? Should Messi leave Barca as well to try to prove himself better than Maradona? I mean the latter did it with a much worse team in Napoli while Messi has almost every other player in first 11 as WC
I think SAF will stay at United through at least next season, and most likely through 2013/14. Mourinho will stay in Madrid through next season, and then take a year off. Mourinho comes to United just for 2-3 years, which would work out well. He's not one to stay anywhere for a long time, but he's strong enough to handle the shadow SAF will cast. Then around 2016, a manager comes in with the goal of being the long-term (not likely to be 25 years, but 6-10 years) manager. Whether that's Ole, Pep, AVB, someone already with United, or a manager we don't even think about right now, who knows...
Mourinho to spurs for a year or 2 is surely a possibility. Would be an ideal move for him if he wants to take over from SAF.
That is actually exactly what a lot of other people have said.
Mourinho's achievements so far pale in comparison to Ferguson's. And that is because Ferguson has shown himself able to deal with inferior resources to his domestic competitors and to build a legacy, by improving every aspect of a club, rebuilding teams and actually being able to stay at a club for more than 3 seasons.
Again, that doesn't make Mourinho a poor manager, far from it. I'd like to see him well out of his comfort zone though. And its hardly a strange opinion, people have aired the exact same views about Guardiola too.
People have not said the same abut Messi. They only want him to win the WC to crown him best player every. It would be idiotic to expect him to leave one of the best team of all time. Same as it will be idiotic to expect Jose or Pep to trade managing one of the biggest club on the planet with a mid table to an up coming one.