I find Ivanovic plays much better at CB, with Luiz as a DM. Terry is past it and Cahill is nothing more than a squad player. A quality right back, centre back and striker and they will be a worry next season.
Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager
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I find Ivanovic plays much better at CB, with Luiz as a DM. Terry is past it and Cahill is nothing more than a squad player. A quality right back, centre back and striker and they will be a worry next season.
This.
I don't think he'll sell him. He seems to be a bit of a cult hero for Chelsea fans, I don't think Josè will want to rock the boat straight away with the fans.
Appeasing the fans is something he doesn't have to worry about, they love him.
Plus, Luiz is pretty shit, I'd get rid.
Azpilicueta is fine at right back it was his first half a season and he was solid so I expect him to at least maintain his level if not improve. I do agree their centre of defence does need improving Terry, Cahill and Luiz tend to leak goals which is not something his old side was known for Ivanovic is solid cover at both positions. I also agree they need a striker. Just having Mourinho is an extra 5-10 points for them considering the home games they dropped. But I expect he will be giving what he needs in terms of funds like he always is. They will be up there next season but I expect us to be also. Will be interesting to see how Pelligrini does in his first season.
Mourinho going there strenghtens them, no doubt. They'll be a force next year.
I think there's too many pieces needed for them to win the league next year, but they will be up near the top and the following season will be very competitive.
I'm not so sure. The 3 attacking midfielders will have a superb season, in my opinion. A half decent striker in front of them will be lethal, even Torres scores goals playing with them. A good centre half and perhaps a sitting midfielder to play with Ramires and they'll be very dangerous.
Well, I suppose it isn't laughable or guaranteed, but I just assumed most would think Chelsea would have enjoyed more success under a continued Mourinho reign over the 9 managers in 5 years that they have had. I'm pretty confident Mourinho can maintain Chelsea over a period of years, I'm not sure his past really disproves this either, he just clearly prefers to not hold himself down to one club. That's a preference in moving around, not being unable to maintain a team. But it's also to be expected, Porto to Chelsea given the "project" they were trying to build, with Chelsea he had issues so left for Inter, and after Inter then Madrid come knocking, all oppertunities I doubt many managers would deny.
Yeah I don't think he's a decent guy, and I am glad he isn't coming to United for a lot of those reasons, but none that really impact his ability to win things had he stayed - I definitely think Chelsea would have been better under Mourinho who won 2 league titles, 2 league cups and an fa cup in the three seasons he was there, a record that no manager since then for them has managed to better.
He'll have a swipe at Moyes as soon as possible I'd have thought. The 'CV' jibes will start after no time at all.
I think he may have won maybe one more league than the club has done since he left, but even that's debateable.
He wouldn't have usurped our 06-09 team at all IMO and Ancelotti did pretty well after that anyway. After that maybe but I'm sure Abramovich would've still wasted 50m on Torres and fecked up thier chances.
Whilst I don't agree with the doom and gloom squad, I think that's a rather warped way to look at our season. Sure, we'll agree that for long periods we were below par performance wise, but we were still getting results, and reaching that 89 points haul again will be difficult. It truly was an exceptional season as far as the strength of the squad is concerned, we just kept grinding out results notwithstanding the level of performance. I think they'll definitely improve from last year, and it's not guaranteed we'll reach the same heights points-wise.
However, I want to insist that I don't think all is lost and we have no chance blablabla, it's a challenge but Moyes has an exceptional squad that can still be improved with a few tweeks here and there, and it's a good test for him.
One can blame mourinho for many things, but i don't get the whole "he falls out with players and owners" thing.
Apart from real he had an excellent relationship with his players anywhere he has managed, and he only fell out with roman, and roman was at fault for that, he wouldn't have rehired him otherwise.
The one thing i don't like about mourinho is his failure to plan long term, he needs to invest in youth more and needs to prove that he can work with a smaller budget, spending a fortune this summer and winning the league won't do chelsea any favors long term.
Apart from real he had an excellent relationship with his players anywhere he has managed, and he only fell out with roman, and roman was at fault for that, he wouldn't have rehired him otherwise.
The one thing i don't like about mourinho is his failure to plan long term, he needs to invest in youth more and needs to prove that he can work with a smaller budget, spending a fortune this summer and winning the league won't do chelsea any favors long term.
He does buy youth though. At the clubs he has been at, none are renowned for bringing youth through and none have been blessed with any outstanding youth players whilst he has been there. A player good enough will play for him regardless of age as shown by Varane. He won't play youth players for the sake of it, unless they are good enough.
This highlights an issue which I think is pertinent at clubs like Chelsea. It's all well and good telling a manager you want him to produce "youth players", but clubs undermine their position by judging manager quickly on first team results.
City is a good example. Apprently they've told Pellegrini to consider the youth team - but then told him they want five trophies in five years. He will clearly be, like Mancini before him, judged solely on what the first team do - so whay should he be bothered that a 13 year old in teh academy is doing great things? He knows he's 90% certain to be long gone before the kids old enough to get a game. Its totally contradictory.
Its also the case that a manager will only use youth players who are good enough. The fact is the likes of Chelsea have spent big to bring people in who are supposed to identify and bring though talent - its not the managers fault if they're not good enough. How many players have chelsea produced who have gone on to do anything to show they were better than they had, even when they left?
If they want the manager to manage and be involved in all facets of the club then give him the responsibility and give him the time. If not, let hm coach the first team and let your academy team do their stuff.
Of course it would do them favors long term. They need short-term success with Mourinho and they of course also need to build a working system for sustainability even if Roman don't add another penny.
They've had short term success before, it doesn't make a difference if you're not thinking ahead.
Well if the new project with roman is still the same one of buying stars to win trophies then jose hasn't done himself any favors and it'll come biting him on the ass once again when other clubs stop that from happening.
Yep this is very annoying, it seemed so obvious what with the timing of SAF retiring and Mourinho leaving Madrid should have meant that he would have been the next United manager, I am now convinced we couldn't afford him, Moyes being more of what United need not a short term success manager etc etc I feel is just an excuse.
Also threw a wobbly when Roman wouldn't give him more money to spend, he only had spent around £150mill in 3 years......
Would be hilarious if they end up trophyless and he gets the sack.
Just watch them spend now and get all the best players.
I think if it was left to the Glazers to decide then they'd have gone for him, purely because of who he is and his CV. As it was, they've gone with Fergie's recommendation, which is credit to them for trusting in him. We could afford any manager in football though, that's surely not the issue. They've chosen continuity and forward planning over short term success. Mourinho may have bought into the whole ethos of the club too, we will never know.
José M. Christ...
Thanks a lot for the 'perspective,' Tony.
Thanks a lot for the 'perspective,' Tony.
But we dont know if SAF actually did recommended him or if he was just saying the right thing, what else could he have said "I would have preferred Mourinho"? He might have been asked to recommend a manager that can work with a very small transfer budget for all we know. He still works for the Glazers hasnt quit the club yet.
And when I say we couldn't afford him I mean we couldn't guarantee him over a 100m in transfers which is probably one of his demands before signing a contract.
Have a feeling that this may not go as smoothly as many think ,second time around.
Don't we?
The statement basically said Fergie chose Moyes as his successor. My view is Mourinho would have walked to Old Trafford on broken glass, even if the transfer budget was £0.
Could easily go tits up mate. There's bound to still be some open wounds between himself and Roman and it wouldn't take a lot for those sores to start leaking puss all around the place.
IMO it's good to have him back in the prem as he does make it more interesting but I'll reserve judgement for a year or two before I decide how good a thing it is for the chavs.
Has there ever been a manager who's gone back to a club for a second stint & been just as successful as his first term in charge ?
Heycknes came to Bayern for the third time (one was interim though) and managed The Treble. Capello went to Madrid for the second time and won the league again. They came to totally new sides though after several years, Mourinho is coming to a side that still has some players who played under him in 2004-08 period (Cole, Cech, Terry, Lampard, Mikel and probably someone else)
Capello won the league at Madrid in his second spell there.
Heynkes has just won the treble at Bayern.
It happens. It's not often that managers do go back.
I don't think we're guaranteed to win the league next year but we've got a better chance with Jose than without him.
Backwards step from Madrid to Chelsea
King Kenny stunk up Anfield second time around though so legends don't always succeed if they get another go.
Howard Kendall went back to Everton 3 years after winning their 2nd league title in 3 years with him in charge. He never got anywhere to repeating that success second time around.
When I get off this fecking train I'll post some awesome Jose vids.
You're welcome.
You're welcome.
Does that really apply here? - I'm sure it was a joke, but I'm going to take it seriously and reply anyway
Mourinho wasn't hired purely because of his legendary status. Infact, if you move away his status and love from the fans, he was still probably the best man for the job.
Mourinho won't find it as easy as when he first came.. the expectation is higher on him even though the competition is harder. City have come into the equation and United have a quality squad now (remember, we finished 3rd BEHIND Ranieri's Chelsea in 03/04) although admittedly, Arsenal are no where near to the level they were back then. He also won't get the crazy amounts of money as before - and the crazy money he does get will only go on 1/2 players, it won't be 'his' team now.
I'm curious as to how they will set up, his midfield diamond of Makele, Ballack, Essien, Lampard was solid - a machine; but it meant boring football. Chelsea fans would do well to remember that they also had issues with Mourinho and his style. Will he play Oscar, Hazard and Mata aswel as a striker? It's hard, he wouldn't have before or at Inter but did play similar at Madrid - but would he play with such risk in the Premier League? I doubt it.
Lampard, Terry, Ivanovic, Mikel, Cole, Cech - the players that played under him before, that are such huge admirers of him and who want him back - are also the players that a new manager should be looking to phase out. It's going to be really interesting to see how he handles them. Personally, none of them should be starters next season for me bar Cech and Cole - and neither of them are at the standards they were when he was manager before; Chelsea could do better than all of them.
I think there are too many questions that need answered before they can win the title. But I also think that it's asking a lot for us to expect Moyes to win it - and same for Pellegrini. I'd say they should be favourites; but as a United fan I'll always fancy us.
It's going to interesting and entertaining. Personally, I can't wait for next season.
Post the one where he got beat 5-0.
Wonder if the Chelsea fans will be as upset as ours were about the new manager bringing in his own staff.
Somehow, I doubt it.
Somehow, I doubt it.
I'm getting that familiar feeling of revulsion for all things Chelsea...