It's Amir who used that reasoning, not me. Keep up.
Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager
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It's Amir who used that reasoning, not me. Keep up.
Greatest manager ever.
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He's a fabulous manager. Those that still deny it can only do so because of some agenda.
Not yet.
Not yet.He is a very good manager but as has been said before, he has supplemented that with joining and leaving clubs at exactly the right times to make himself look good.
Additionally, at his last 3 clubs (which is where he has made his name) he has been blessed with huge spending power.
For me, when he is done at Real Jose needs to take over a club like United which operate on a budget, and stay for the longer term to prove that he is capable of building a team or several teams and without spending hundreds of millions to do so.
If he doesnt then fine, he is still a very good manager, but if he does want to silence the remaining doubters and show himself to be the complete manager, that is the next step I reckon.
If he came here and kept us above City, and stayed 5-10 years, you would have to consider it a fantastic achievement, and one that would surely cement Mourinhos place as one of the best ever.
Additionally, at his last 3 clubs (which is where he has made his name) he has been blessed with huge spending power.
For me, when he is done at Real Jose needs to take over a club like United which operate on a budget, and stay for the longer term to prove that he is capable of building a team or several teams and without spending hundreds of millions to do so.
If he doesnt then fine, he is still a very good manager, but if he does want to silence the remaining doubters and show himself to be the complete manager, that is the next step I reckon.
If he came here and kept us above City, and stayed 5-10 years, you would have to consider it a fantastic achievement, and one that would surely cement Mourinhos place as one of the best ever.
To claim Mourinho is a not top top manager is plain daft. Look at the man's record. He's a walking title producing machine. And he's done it in different circumstances and in different countries. Against the odds at Porto. Sleeping giant at inter. Overcoming barca at real. And dominating the premier league so emphatically in England.
There are question marks, of course there are. But he has ample time to answer. I think his ability to take a group of players and give them that winning mentality is brilliant. Look at how he got the likes of Lucio and many at Inter to play absolutely out of their skins. It's not easy to walk into a be league and live up to this incredible reputation he's built. I have respect for someone who has the audacity to say he wants to face Manchester United in the cl and then beats them. And then comes to England, puts his neck on the line calling himself the special one risking looking like an absolute spastic and then produces the goods for the next 8 years.
I do think some of his jobs have been cushy. I do think he needs to produce long term success (although its clear he's deliberately not done this ,yet) and I like a focus on youth which I haven't seen from him. But that doesn't mean he isn't a brilliant manger.
There are question marks, of course there are. But he has ample time to answer. I think his ability to take a group of players and give them that winning mentality is brilliant. Look at how he got the likes of Lucio and many at Inter to play absolutely out of their skins. It's not easy to walk into a be league and live up to this incredible reputation he's built. I have respect for someone who has the audacity to say he wants to face Manchester United in the cl and then beats them. And then comes to England, puts his neck on the line calling himself the special one risking looking like an absolute spastic and then produces the goods for the next 8 years.
I do think some of his jobs have been cushy. I do think he needs to produce long term success (although its clear he's deliberately not done this ,yet) and I like a focus on youth which I haven't seen from him. But that doesn't mean he isn't a brilliant manger.
Which great managers haven't been at the right place at the right time? Ferguson took over United at a time when success created more success more than it ever has before, Paisley took over Liverpool following on from what Shankly did, Guardiola took over Barcelona as Messi was moving into his prime (or would what would be the prime of any other player), Saachi took over at Milan when Berlusconi was willing to move heaven and earth to catch Real Madrid, Capello has flitted between clubs, normally in Italy, making them successful and then leaving, the list goes on.
He is a great manage period. He didn't leave clubs to 'make himself look good''. He simply is that darn good.
Signs new contract with Madrid till 2016
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satell...inho_en_el_Real_Madrid:_titulos_y_records.htm
http://www.realmadrid.com/cs/Satell...inho_en_el_Real_Madrid:_titulos_y_records.htm
Great news.
He'll get sacked well before 2016, shortly after winning a CL or two.
He consulted that date with SAF.
Something I've never understand is the constant links with Utd.
Utd will want a long term manager, Mourinho hasn't at any point shown that he can sustain success and rebuild his side.
Furthermore, I've got no idea why any of you would want him dragging the clubs name through the mud
Drogba dedicated the European Cup to "all the managers we've had before"....I reckon he can claim that as another one for him.
Something I've never understand is the constant links with Utd.
Utd will want a long term manager, Mourinho hasn't at any point shown that he can sustain success and rebuild his side.
Furthermore, I've got no idea why any of you would want him dragging the clubs name through the mud
Other than Ferguson, are there any managers have shown they can sustain success and rebuild their side?
Surprised by this. I doubt he'll stay on until 2016, but it does show an indication that he's willing to stick around there for a while at least. He'll want to win them at least one Champions League before he leaves, for sure.
If SAF does decide to step down before 2016, nothing would give me more pleasure than taking something away from Real Madrid.
i am sure champions league is the holy grail for him in madrid. Reckon they will sign more superstar next season
Yaya Toure would be a superb signing for them, they should start the unsettling process as they are experts at that shit.
"Oh Zeman is Roma's new boss? Since I'm on holiday and have so much free time I can go on Google and try to find out what he's won"
Spot on
You should now call me "The Only One"
Real Madrid’s Jose Mourinho said that he should be labelled the “Only One” instead of the ‘Special One’, after becoming the only coach to win the top three leagues in European football.
Mourinho has won titles in Spain (once, with Real Madrid), Italy (twice, with Inter Milan) and England (twice, with Chelsea), as well as in his native Portugal (twice, with Porto).
“Like me or not, I am the only one who won the world’s three most important leagues. So, maybe instead of the ‘Special One’, people should start calling me the ‘Only One’,” Mourinho said in an interview with Portuguese television channel SIC.
Mourinho, 49, was nicknamed the ‘Special One’ by the English press after referring to himself as just that, during a news conference following his arrival at Chelsea from Porto in 2004.
In an interview televised on Monday he explained that, as his career has progressed, he has become less selfish and less focused on his individual goals.
“Things have been going well for me, thank God. I am focused on others much more these days. The pleasure of winning with Inter Milan was seeing a club which had not won for 50 years winning again.
“That is what entices me more and more, instead of pursuing individual goals.”
Real Madrid kick off their 2012-13 campaign against Barcelona in the Spanish Super Cup on August 23
Real Madrid’s Jose Mourinho said that he should be labelled the “Only One” instead of the ‘Special One’, after becoming the only coach to win the top three leagues in European football.
Mourinho has won titles in Spain (once, with Real Madrid), Italy (twice, with Inter Milan) and England (twice, with Chelsea), as well as in his native Portugal (twice, with Porto).
“Like me or not, I am the only one who won the world’s three most important leagues. So, maybe instead of the ‘Special One’, people should start calling me the ‘Only One’,” Mourinho said in an interview with Portuguese television channel SIC.
Mourinho, 49, was nicknamed the ‘Special One’ by the English press after referring to himself as just that, during a news conference following his arrival at Chelsea from Porto in 2004.
In an interview televised on Monday he explained that, as his career has progressed, he has become less selfish and less focused on his individual goals.
“Things have been going well for me, thank God. I am focused on others much more these days. The pleasure of winning with Inter Milan was seeing a club which had not won for 50 years winning again.
“That is what entices me more and more, instead of pursuing individual goals.”
Real Madrid kick off their 2012-13 campaign against Barcelona in the Spanish Super Cup on August 23
Why José, why? I really think he thrives on being hated sometimes.Well he is the only one. No player has done it either
He's no del Bosque, that's for sure.
He backs up his big statements with action which is the impressive thing.
Tbh, he has been givena blank check everywhere. He is one of the best, but keep that in mind. I always wonder what would have happened to Mourinho if the ref had given the Scholes goal (wrongly given offside) or Howard didn't spill the free kick. Those are the margins between a great one and nobody.
That being said, I think Mourinho is a GREAT coach. One of the best in the world at the very least.
If you have to continually tell people that you're great, then you're not great.
What about Muhammed Ali?
Damn. You win, FT.
Usain Bolt as a more recent example. Boast only when you can back it up.
The 'less focused on personal goals' is interesting. Before, you got the impression he wanted to win everything everywhere. Besides Germany, he's done that. Perhaps he'd be ready to 'do a Fergie'. More so now than ever anyway. Points about the blank cheques are still valid though.
Mourinho has got boring.
Never thought I'd say those words.
Never thought I'd say those words.
I like the TOO.
Sorry.
Sorry
.As I've said before in this thread, you have to judge each of his jobs and achievements differently.
The incredible success with Porto - Brilliant. Yes, the Scholes offside decision went his way but you always need some luck to win that competition.
League titles with Chelsea - Good. Here he was at a clear advantage over his rivals due to his budget. Yes, he had a poorer team to start with but a quality manager like him given so much to spend was always going to get the better of a United side in transition.
League with Inter - Okay. Totally expected given they won the previous 4 or something.
CL with Inter - Huge achievement. This was a club that had always had a mental block with regards to Europe. Even that team which had won many titles in a row seemed pretty timid in Europe lacking belief.
League with Real - Huge achievement. Yes, he did spend money but he was up against arguably the best club side ever seen. So that money always had to be spent to be even close to Barca. Then to overcome them last season was quite superb.
Also, I think you're putting far too much importance on the offside. There's no way he would have been a nobody.
His achievement at Porto was fantastic and cannot be diminished.
At Chelsea like you said he has the edge due to having a blank cheque from Roman and outspending the other teams drastically.
At Inter he also had a lot of money to play with, part of which was due to Barca for some reason insisting on giving him stupid amounts of money plus Eto'o.
At Real it's the same story again - loads of money to spend, but he has succeeded as a result.
So ok, we know so far that if given lots of money, Jose can and will win titles and potentially CLs. Can he win without the money? Can he build a squad rather than buying it?
These are questions which have not yet been answered.
At Chelsea like you said he has the edge due to having a blank cheque from Roman and outspending the other teams drastically.
At Inter he also had a lot of money to play with, part of which was due to Barca for some reason insisting on giving him stupid amounts of money plus Eto'o.
At Real it's the same story again - loads of money to spend, but he has succeeded as a result.
So ok, we know so far that if given lots of money, Jose can and will win titles and potentially CLs. Can he win without the money? Can he build a squad rather than buying it?
These are questions which have not yet been answered.
i think he won his first CL without spending much money.