Mourinho | New old Chelsea manager

Mourinho can come in, and he can motivate the feck out of any team. His players die for him, and love him for what he does (well mostly). He'll also take no shit and make big decisions. Whilst his career is marked with a bit of luck (porto v united, inter v Barce) he's still done incredibly well to win as much as he has.

However it can't be denied that there is question marks over his ability to bring through players, to successfully manage a club without spening more than any other club in the league, and his attitude. These things all worry me when we talk about the next United manager.

His transfer record leaves a lot to be desired IMO. This is a guy who spent massive money on players like Boularouz, Schevchenko, Muntari and Quereesma. He is very well suited to coming in and winning instantly. But he can pick and chose his jobs. He picks the best funded clubs where he can buy whoever he pleases and thus a certain level of success is expected.

Despite all of this he regularly embarrasses himself, poking eyes and takling of conspiracies. He's fallen out with so many people and even many fans.

Too much of a risk and we're risking to much as a club to appoint him.
 
Theon said:
Yes, you're right. Getting the second best team in the world with talents like Ronaldo, Benzema, Higuain, Di Maria, Kaka, Ozil to steamroll Santander 4-0 proves he plays good football... Use your head FFS.

His priority lies with the defence, it always has with every team he's been to and it still does with Madrid. If you'll watch Madrid you'll see he has them much more focused on defending and having a high workrate, even the strikers have had to adapt. And if you pay any attention you'll see that some fans in Madrid are sick of the approach and his preference for defensive players such as Lassana Diarra over Kaka and Granero.
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I do watch Real Madrid, I think their football is great, and it's not just La Liga sides, they smashed Ajax and Lyon in the Champions League. As for focussing on defence, well they've only kept 9 clean sheets in La Liga this season (United have kept 12 in the PL), and have conceded more goals than Barcelona. If the focus is on defence then they're not particularly good at it.
 
Ive always thought, if he really wants to secure his place in history as a top, top manager, to elevate his reputation even beyond what he has now, and to put criticisms like Twig's one above to bed, he should take on not the Manchester United job, but the Liverpool job.

Not that this is what I want to see. But that is the real challenge. If he could bring them the title, arrest the decline and rot at that club, I dont think anyone would be able to take anything away from the achievement, put it down to any external factors other than his own ability. He would have funds available but not Chelsea or City esque funds.

This is in contrast with the potentially thankless task of following greatness at United, where all his accomplishments would always be seen as providing continuity rather than achieving something in his own right. Arguably the only thing he could do at United to eclipse Fergie and make a claim to have been even better is to deliver back to back European Cups, or to have 2 in 3 or 3 in 5 years - an "era" like Madrid had a few years ago and AC Milan before that.
 
Thing is I think Mourinho could deliver back to back CL trophies to Man Utd. If the owners have worked out the finances cleverly. Players will WANT to come and play for Mourinho if not for Man Utd.
 
Simon Adebesi said:
Ive always thought, if he really wants to secure his place in history as a top, top manager, to elevate his reputation even beyond what he has now, and to put criticisms like Twig's one above to bed, he should take on not the Manchester United job, but the Liverpool job.

Not that this is what I want to see. But that is the real challenge. If he could bring them the title, arrest the decline and rot at that club, I dont think anyone would be able to take anything away from the achievement, put it down to any external factors other than his own ability. He would have funds available but not Chelsea or City esque funds.

This is in contrast with the potentially thankless task of following greatness at United, where all his accomplishments would always be seen as providing continuity rather than achieving something in his own right. Arguably the only thing he could do at United to eclipse Fergie and make a claim to have been even better is to deliver back to back European Cups, or to have 2 in 3 or 3 in 5 years - an "era" like Madrid had a few years ago and AC Milan before that.
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Excellent point - I remember hearing something similar to this on the radio a few weeks back when Mourinho reportedly wanted to leave.

He would do well to win a league title at Liverpool. Thing is if reports yesterday are led to believe, he wants to be based in London so preferably managing one of three London teams: Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Excellent point - I remember hearing something similar to this on the radio a few weeks back when Mourinho reportedly wanted to leave.

He would do well to win a league title at Liverpool. Thing is if reports yesterday are led to believe, he wants to be based in London so preferably managing one of three London teams: Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs.
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To be fair winning the league for any of those teams would be a pretty impressive achievement too. Especially Spurs. But Chelsea are unlikely to get into another round of spending like last time he was there, while Arsenal have also fallen far enough back now that delivering anything to them would certainly be a pretty significant turnaround.
 
Thing is, a manager could waste his career trying to answer his critics: 'Ah, but can he manage abroad?'; 'Ah, but can he manage a lower-level side, or one with little money?'; 'Ah, but can he manage an international side?'; 'Ah, but can he win an international tournament?' etc etc. I doubt pragmatic managers like José would care to spend their careers continually answering such questions. Besides, the general view, right or wrong, is that Mourinho already has little to prove as it is.
 
That is true. I would not expect him to do anything to answer any critics. I just wonder, with Mourinho, if he wouldnt do it for himself. He seems to be interested in setting himself these challenges, in securing his legacy. Winning titles in the three top European leagues, for example, a challenge he explicitly set himself.

That says to me he is a man who has an eye on these kinds of personal accolades. But you cant tell which way he will jump. You could easily argue United is the biggest job out there left for him to do, and he might well want it for that reason. Following SAF is clearly a challenge, he might want to take that on. Or he might want to deliver a title to a club that is not used to winning them. A different kind of challenge. He clearly likes challenges, but it is impossible to say which one would appeal to him more.
 
Like delivering a title to tottenham.

By going there and avoiding Liverpool he still leaves the door open to the united job.

Thing is though, he is still at Madrid and still has a lot f time to win all these accolades.
 
I'd love him back at Chelsea. That would be great.

edit: Purely because I don't want him at our magnificent club, but would like to get one over on him.
 
Guy Incognito said:
Excellent point - I remember hearing something similar to this on the radio a few weeks back when Mourinho reportedly wanted to leave.

He would do well to win a league title at Liverpool. Thing is if reports yesterday are led to believe, he wants to be based in London so preferably managing one of three London teams: Arsenal, Chelsea or Spurs.
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He could live in London and work in Manchester probably, when you're as rich as him traveling back and forth on a private jet shouldn't be much of an issue.
 
Twigginater said:
I'd love him back at Chelsea. That would be great.

edit: Purely because I don't want him at our magnificent club, but would like to get one over on him.
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This. Completely.

Would also be hilarious watching him having to wrestle with the fact that he's going to have to move on all the egos and dressing room generals because they're old and precious as feck. He'll either do it and feck up in the transfer market replacing them - look at his record and successes - vast majority built around with players already at clubs, and has questionable record in transfer market in my opinion.

OR he won't do it, keep them on long past their sell by dates and the Chelsea mob will have to come to terms with the fact that they've been deluding themselves thinking that he's the answer to all their problems, and the reason it's all been going wrong for 5 years since he left.

They really do forget some of the dire football and shite signings he made in his last year there. It was a sinking ship - and he was to blame. It's also no coincidence that he only ever stays/lasts 2-3 years at clubs; he'd have you believe it's through choice - but in reality, it's because he's a classless, antagonistic knob who winds people up wherever he goes.

Not fit to clean our bogs in my opinion.
 
99 red balloons said:
This. Completely.

Would also be hilarious watching him having to wrestle with the fact that he's going to have to move on all the egos and dressing room generals because they're old and precious as feck. He'll either do it and feck up in the transfer market replacing them - look at his record and successes - vast majority built around with players already at clubs, and has questionable record in transfer market in my opinion.

OR he won't do it, keep them on long past their sell by dates and the Chelsea mob will have to come to terms with the fact that they've been deluding themselves thinking that he's the answer to all their problems, and the reason it's all been going wrong for 5 years since he left.

They really do forget some of the dire football and shite signings he made in his last year there. It was a sinking ship - and he was to blame. It's also no coincidence that he only ever stays/lasts 2-3 years at clubs; he'd have you believe it's through choice - but in reality, it's because he's a classless, antagonistic knob who winds people up wherever he goes.

Not fit to clean our bogs in my opinion.
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We doesn't fear him because we've got SAF

Mourinho vs. Moyes/Blanc/O'neill

You'll paint a different story
 
Eightball said:
Millionaire buys property, stop press.
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London luxury property is seen as one of the safest and most secure investments in the world right now - purely from that standpoint it is debatable whether it means anything.
 
Be hilarious if he got Chelsea's hopes up but then took over manager at Spurs or Arsenal.
 
Dumbstar said:
Thing is I think Mourinho could deliver back to back CL trophies to Man Utd. If the owners have worked out the finances cleverly. Players will WANT to come and play for Mourinho if not for Man Utd.
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Agrees with Dumbstar... :nervous:
 
To be fair London is where the job openings are at the moment. Arsenal, Chelsea, Tottenham, England. It would be crazy for him not to buy a house there.

I don't want him anywhere near Old Trafford.
 
The most obvious choice for him his Man City, just like his current club and previous two employers he will have plenty of money to buy and the foundations at the club are already laid for him.
 
Wouldnt want him at any of our rivals. He's a winner. Dont need extra competition specially with having to already contend with City's massive spending and Roman's deep pockets even when combined with lack of brain cells..
 
I don't want him at United.
But I appreciate he is one of the world's best managers.
I have no real issue with him joining one of our rivals.
If he does end up at United I will get on board, enjoy the success he would doubtless bring, and live with his annoying self importance and the probability he would leave quite soon after.

The negative football thing is less of an issue now tho, as I undertand it? I don't watch Real much, but I gather they play quite good football?
 
Simon Adebesi said:
I don't want him at United.
But I appreciate he is one of the world's best managers.
I have no real issue with him joining one of our rivals.
If he does end up at United I will get on board, enjoy the success he would doubtless bring, and live with his annoying self importance and the probability he would leave quite soon after.

The negative football thing is less of an issue now tho, as I undertand it? I don't watch Real much, but I gather they play quite good football?
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Real are Fantastic to watch. Fast, direct and very effective..
 
Varun_Utd said:
Wouldnt want him at any of our rivals. He's a winner. Dont need extra competition specially with having to already contend with City's massive spending and Roman's deep pockets even when combined with lack of brain cells..
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This. He knows what it takes to win things and usually ends up doing so. Him going to City or Liverpool (doubt that will happen) would be absolutely terrible. City could really start dominating with Mourinho at the helm.
 
I think he'll be our next manager. No rationale but just pure gut feeling.
 
I suspect he will too. I can't envisage anyone else doing it.

Still don't want it. But expect it, am resigned to it.

Also, don't want anyone else either. Basically I just want SAF to go on in perpetuity.
 
Quick spell at Spurs, knowing full well he's next in line for the OT hot-seat, and not wanting to step in at any of our traditional rivals for fear that it ruins his dream move?
 
KM said:
I think he'll be our next manager. No rationale but just pure gut feeling.
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I can see it him wanting to take it up for sure. The brand of Manchester United along with it's culture would appeal greatly to someone with a big personality like Mourinho.

Personally, the philosophies and traditions of the club are of huge importance to me. I always want this club to be one which makes football stars rather than brings them in for big bucks. And I haven't seen an inclination from Mourinho of that so far. But to be fair to him, all his jobs have were always meant to be short term-high success ones where results and immediate success were the priority.
 
Twigginater said:
Mourinho can come in, and he can motivate the feck out of any team. His players die for him, and love him for what he does (well mostly). He'll also take no shit and make big decisions. Whilst his career is marked with a bit of luck (porto v united, inter v Barce) he's still done incredibly well to win as much as he has.

However it can't be denied that there is question marks over his ability to bring through players, to successfully manage a club without spening more than any other club in the league, and his attitude. These things all worry me when we talk about the next United manager.

His transfer record leaves a lot to be desired IMO. This is a guy who spent massive money on players like Boularouz, Schevchenko, Muntari and Quereesma. He is very well suited to coming in and winning instantly. But he can pick and chose his jobs. He picks the best funded clubs where he can buy whoever he pleases and thus a certain level of success is expected.

Despite all of this he regularly embarrasses himself, poking eyes and takling of conspiracies. He's fallen out with so many people and even many fans.

Too much of a risk and we're risking to much as a club to appoint him.
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Isn't it common knowledge that Schevchenko was an Abrahimovic signing?
 
I don't think he'll come to us for the same reason Barca chose to go with Pep over him.

Barca, like us, have a lot of continuity in their backroom staff, lots of promotions from within, ex players taking up coaching roles. Almost all their coaching staff have been on the books as players at some point.

What Mourinho wanted to do was bring in his own team which would strip the club of all it has built.

Imagine Mourinho came here and we let go of Phelan, McClair, McGuinness, Meulensteen and Swire to accommodate his team. Then in 4 or 5 years when he has perhaps won a couple of leagues and a European Cup or two, he leaves and takes his team and we're back to square one. We have to build a new backroom up and every part of the continuity system Ferguson has in place is smashed to pieces.

If Mourinho was willing to come here and fit in at the club without overhauling and bringing in his team, I'd welcome him but I wonder how successful he would be without them.
 
I agree with that Pexbo, that is part of my problem with him.

Also, the man just has no class at all. As exemplified by that whole ugly business with Pep and Barca last year. Pep came out of that looking peachy, as far as I could see, and Mourinho just looked like a massive wanker.

I understand there is usually a reason for him to do what he does. But I just find him and his modus operandi thoroughly distasteful.

And I just dont think he would have any respect for anything to do with the club. I never get the impression he has any respect for anything, anywhere. OK he talks a good talk with his respect for SAF, and maybe there is something in that, maybe that is genuine. But I suspect it isnt, I suspect it is politic for him to be friendly with SAF because he fancied succeeding him, and because he planned to be at war on two fronts with Wenger and Benitez.
 
Pexbo said:
I don't think he'll come to us for the same reason Barca chose to go with Pep over him.

Barca, like us, have a lot of continuity in their backroom staff, lots of promotions from within, ex players taking up coaching roles. Almost all their coaching staff have been on the books as players at some point.

What Mourinho wanted to do was bring in his own team which would strip the club of all it has built.

Imagine Mourinho came here and we let go of Phelan, McClair, McGuinness, Meulensteen and Swire to accommodate his team. Then in 4 or 5 years when he has perhaps won a couple of leagues and a European Cup or two, he leaves and takes his team and we're back to square one. We have to build a new backroom up and every part of the continuity system Ferguson has in place is smashed to pieces.

If Mourinho was willing to come here and fit in at the club without overhauling and bringing in his team, I'd welcome him but I wonder how successful he would be without them.
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That would be the same Barca who between Cruyff and Guardiola have had the likes of Robson, van Gaal, Rijkaard, Antic and none have played for Barca or connected to them before going there?
 
JazzG said:
The most obvious choice for him his Man City, just like his current club and previous two employers he will have plenty of money to buy and the foundations at the club are already laid for him.
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Unfortunately true.

We win the title this year, Mancini is fired and Mourinho is given a big budget on top of an already strong squad to spend.

That would be a horrific scenario...
 
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