I was quite happy when we signed Schneiderlin, but won't be heartbroken to see him sold. In my opinion, he's just not performed very well. We can do better. I would only be concerned about selling him in January if we don't bring in a quality replacement. If that can't be done, then I'd prefer that he be sold in the summer.
Morgan Schneiderlin | Everton Player
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Was so happy when he stepped in. But he turned out to be another big fish in small Southampton pond. Clearly lacking that fiery combative nature we expect from a top 4 midfielder. Hope he goes somewhere and turn in it all around. Just not when playing against us though.
Should be kept until summer though, if BFS also leaves, we are an injury away from total disaster. How is TFM in the defensive center BTW, boys?
Should be kept until summer though, if BFS also leaves, we are an injury away from total disaster. How is TFM in the defensive center BTW, boys?
He was never that good in the first place. I mean what does he actually do? What's he actually good at? Got massively unrated based on an industrious season in Southampton's midfield. He'll do reasonably well for a smaller club, where reduced ambitions will suit his breaking up of play and sideways passes. He'll probably come back to OT with Everton, put in a decent spoiling performance, and the Caf will collectively shit the bed "omgzzz we never have him a chance!!!".
This happens over and over again with our fan base. Opposition comes to OT with limited ambition, set up to spoil. Opposition midfielder has a good game closing down our lads, sprays a couple of passes, et voila, becomes the next Roy Keane overnight. Even worse, he'll do a couple of mazy dribbles, or knock in a rocket. That's how we end up clamouring to sign shite like Cabaye, Dembele, Schneiderlin etc.
I dread average players having a good game against us.
This happens over and over again with our fan base. Opposition comes to OT with limited ambition, set up to spoil. Opposition midfielder has a good game closing down our lads, sprays a couple of passes, et voila, becomes the next Roy Keane overnight. Even worse, he'll do a couple of mazy dribbles, or knock in a rocket. That's how we end up clamouring to sign shite like Cabaye, Dembele, Schneiderlin etc.
I dread average players having a good game against us.
He will be fine for Everton, should be an immediate starter. He is a good player, but just didnt make the step up for whatever reason.
I do think he didnt get enough games from Jose to show it, like Rojo now as CB or
even Darmian at LB. But 24m for a player that was average for us so far, you take it, even if he will.play good for Everton and people will say in hindsight we shouldnt have sold him, but thats how things turn out sometimes.
I do think he didnt get enough games from Jose to show it, like Rojo now as CB or
even Darmian at LB. But 24m for a player that was average for us so far, you take it, even if he will.play good for Everton and people will say in hindsight we shouldnt have sold him, but thats how things turn out sometimes.
That's the fans. Doesn't excuse the club and scouts for recommending these player. Incompetence in our scouting since SAF times is inexcusable.
With Depay I would insist on no buyback clause.
Couldn't have put it any better. 100% spot on.
He was the best ball winning midfielder in the league, a few seasons running he was dinning more tackles, intercepting more ball and covering more distance than anyone else.
I know it's easy to say now but honestly I never really got that excited when we signed him. I just never saw him as a player that would play for the top sides. If he couldn't play for the likes of Madrid or Bayern, why should we have been happy him playing for us?
I suppose it was a testament to how poor our midfield had been - after the likes Cleverley and Anderson, Schneiderlin looked like a definite upgrade. At that time, we were not using Modric, Kroos and Alonso as the benchmark.
I was a big fan of him, really rated him and was convinced we were getting a fantastic player. I Made a mistake, i can admit this.
Agree wholeheartedly.
He's a good box to box runner, winning the ball and passing it on. He's a far better player than the likes of Fellaini.
I have no idea what people were expecting of him to come in as a #6 and replace Carrick. Not that sort of player at all.
You can't always buy big name players from big clubs. Who the feck was Rakitic?
It's unfortunate he never had a great run in the team - he's probably a very useful player.
It's unfortunate he never had a great run in the team - he's probably a very useful player.
Very sad to see him go.
I think he's class, and had a good period with LVG, usually being one of the few things that had worked well on the pitch.
But if we can get proper substitute that fits José's plans, I'm up for it.
I think he's class, and had a good period with LVG, usually being one of the few things that had worked well on the pitch.
But if we can get proper substitute that fits José's plans, I'm up for it.
He made a few tackles. So what? No clue what to do with the ball when he gets it. Not good enough for United.
£24M? That's about the price we paid for him. Happy with that tbh. I was excited when we signed Schneiderlin as I was impressed with him when he played at Southampton but he has been very underwhelming. Maybe he'll find his groove again at Everton where there's less pressure on him.
That has absolutely nothing to do with how most people judged Schneiderlin before we signed him. He was very good at Southampton no doubt about that.
Ha yeah ok, a few tackles, alright Pep.
Yeah it's time for him to leave. He's not getting any playing time and you cannot blame Mourinho for it, he just hasn't taken his chances. We still need to bring one or two midfielders once he's gone because we lack numbers and Carrick is not going to play forever but Schneiderlin will not be a solution. This is a danger of bringing midfielders from smaller teams where expectations is different, style of play is completely different and it's difficult to say what you can expect from them realistically. I feel like there's even bigger difference moving from small club to a big one for a midfielder than any other position. Defenders generally tend to adjust the fastest because the switch actually often means less work for them as they are surrounded by better players and not challenged as often, for midfielders is different because you may need to dictate the tempo and it's a different world.
Just saying, ball winning midfielders rarely succeed at big clubs, who are more set up to play than spoil, unless they are good on the ball too. Schneiderlin really isn't. He competent at best. That was always going to stand out here.
Also, with Schneiderlin and possibly Memphis leaving in January I think this pretty much confirms that we'll be in the market for new players next month. I remember reports of Mourinho wanting to make one or two more signings in the summer but he couldn't because we were struggling to offload players.
Neither of them has really played much and in Depay's case he has hardly played at all so immediate replacement might not be needed. January market is very tough and inflated.
That's true but I imagine we'll still be in the market for any openings or maybe we'll have a signing lined up. I know they haven't featured much but Memphis and Schneiderlin leaving still weakens our squad depth. Second half of the season is going to be tough, FA Cup and EL fixtures are going to come thick and fast.
You asked what he does. I told you what he did, better than anyone else in the league by some distance. That defending malarkey is quite a big aspect of the game you know.
Good deal for Everton in this market, decent for us. Won't be sad to see him leave. Though it could leave us short on cover.
Better than Matic?No i dont think he is\was personally
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He's not good enough on the ball to play for us but he'll do well at Everton.
It's a better deal for us than Everton at this point if the £24m fee is correct. He will have to significantly improve to justify this sort of fee.
By a distance.
In the 2013/14 and 14/15 seasons
He won more tackles, lost less, more interceptions, less defensive errors.
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Absolutely agree. He simply has not been given the chance under Mourinho. I remember lots of people writing off Mkhitaryan a few weeks ago.
Everton makes sense, Barry is way past his best and he'd be an excellent partner for Gana. Hopefully we can take the £24m and put it towards Van Dijk.
£24m upfront would be pretty good, but the Telegraph says that's not likely to be the case. Knowing our skill at selling, it'll probably end up being £15m upfront and £9m in unrealistic clauses.
£15m would still be a good fee for a player who has been pretty much inexistent for two seasons though.£24m upfront would be pretty good, but the Telegraph says that's not likely to be the case. Knowing our skill at selling, it'll probably end up being £15m upfront and £9m in unrealistic clauses.
Not much bothered about Schneiderlin any more. van Gaal didn't seem to rate him much, despite signing him, and neither does Mourinho. That day last year when we signed both him and Bastian obviously did not live up to the hype.
It's a pity games aren't played on the basis of whoscored stats. This guy would be winning ballon d'or if that was the case.
I do wonder if we'd get 24 million from any other club, the fee seems high considering his lack of first team football.
Have we quoted a high price because he's an ex Koeman player?
Have we quoted a high price because he's an ex Koeman player?
I don't really think so. All sorts of dead average players transfer for £15m in the current market. Schneiderlin is still pretty good, he's just not what we need. Could see him doing well for a smaller club.
We bought him for £24m, he is two years older and has had two almost terrible seasons. £15m will be plenty enough.
Fair dues, but that's why stats can be so misleading. Looks good on paper, but he was always gash when he played for us. Looked terrified half the time, and even when he was solid and won the ball, he never looked liked he knew what to do with it. I appreciate your argument though, it does correct my perspective somewhat - and potentially my opinion too - but I can't shake the feeling that I never really saw much in him before he came (I just bought into the Caf hype), and I'm not surprised or bothered that he's off.
Even if his stats were better, he's never performed to the levels of other "ball winning" midfielders like Kante or Matic. Purely based on subjective criteria. I also can't remember the last time United had a pure "ball winning" player. People throw out Keane as a lazy example, because he was a brilliantly rounded player and a leader. Ince could also drive forward with significant intent. Only one I can really think of was Butt, and he was so beautifully integrated into the whole set up, since he was a kid, that it's not a surprise he did well.
Fergie never would have signed Schneiderlin because he wasn't rounded enough, he seemed useful for Van Gaal who liked a 6, 8 and 10. But in a possession based system, that didn't press much, he didn't have the passing range for a 6, or the ball work qualities and vision of an 8. So it's surprising he signed him.
For Mourinho, who likes specialists, and has often asked a lot of his two central midfielders (plus AM), he's just too one dimensional. That's my take. He'll probably excel elsewhere with a more limited scope.
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Didn't rate him that high when we were getting him, while 90% were overjoyed, don't rate him now that high as well. He was a good player in a good team but quality wise never United quality.
Poor man's Kante.
Poor man's Kante.
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