Morgan Schneiderlin | Everton Player

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He should leave. He can't get a game.
 
Memphis should go on loan and Schneiderlin, I want us to get £20m for him especially with the inflated fees.
 
He's literally done nothing that I can remember in 2 years apart from score a goal early last season.
 
Anybody else think Schneiderlin will go to Everton (or somewhere of similar stature) and be absolutely brilliant?

I think he'll be a £30m player when he's playing regularly for a team

I think.so. If there was one player that disappointed more than anything, it was Schneiderlin. Memphis too, but Schneiderlin more so as he was far more experienced and knew the league and english football inside out.

No doubt he will look good again, he just needs confidence, playing time and rhythm, something he wont get here. I can see Koeman making him brilliant again
 
Its is nothing but a hate campaign. Championed by the same fallacious lie that he offers nothing and is the worst player to ever play for United. In LVGs first season, during our best run in years, he was one of our top performers in a side playing excellent football as it despatched Tottenham, Pool and City amongst other games.

What people forget is that we then went on to score 3 goals in the next 6 games of that season. The following season, we continued our wretchedly low scoring, boring style of risk averse football.
That 3 game run was a "blip". The games which followed those 3 games is what LVG envisioned - boring, high possession, low scoring games.

That three-game run is going to echo through the ages.

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Me what I hate is the ungratefulness fans have towards certain players. Just last season Fellaini and Lingard for example were absolutely key to us finally ending our FA cup droubt and most importantly bagging our first trophy post Fergie. But folks piss and moan about them on here like they have been key to us being in a relagation dog fight. I can't get not rating players but I don't get over the top hate nor ungratefulness. I always believe if talented players work hard enough the likes of Fellaini will never play ahead of them. So to hate on a limited player for winning his spot the hard way I find utterly revolting.

Seriously mate do you really believe that Fellaini is Man United quality?
 
Anybody else think Schneiderlin will go to Everton (or somewhere of similar stature) and be absolutely brilliant?

I think he'll be a £30m player when he's playing regularly for a team

I hear these sort of stories being mentioned a lot, about many different failures who got sold and go on to become great players.
Can someone name me any players, who were sold for being crap, who went on to become great?
So, we can't include Becks, Ronaldo, RVN, Evra, Pogba, who did not leave because they were crap.

The easiest method would be to choose strikers, where their goal tally can be measured in numbers.
Off the top of my head Wellbeck. This specimen went on to score 4 league goals in his first season for AFC. And in the next season he scored...wait for it.....4 league goals! This guy was performing at Falcao levels. And speaking of Falcao...
My least favourite footballer - Falcao. This guy was going to tear up the league after we got rid of him. He was going to play against us and haunt us for eternity. After leaving us, he joined CFC and scored: 1 league goal!!!

I've heard stories that Memphis is going to become a beast, once he leaves us. Same being said about Morgan. When 35 year old Carrick is getting game time ahead of Morgan, that speaks volumes.

Guys, these players are failures at our club, under 2 different managers. Generally, when players leave (due to being crap), with almost 100% certainty, those players do nothing special and continue on a downward spiral.
 
Seems somewhat realistic, we can't demand much for players that we don't want and teams will have to offset their realatively high wages by not paying much of a transfer fee for them.

No chance. The problem is that we rarely get to move our players in to PL teams, and unless we are selling Ronaldos and such to the likes of Real, we will of course be selling to second rate clubs who are skint and can't pay well.

If there is PL interest in international players who are still young, we will get decent money. We sold Love and McNair for about £7m, we sold Welbeck for £16m, and we got offered like £7.5m for Clevz in the last year of his deal.

Memphis and Morgan will fetch £15m each I reckon.
 
Seriously mate do you really believe that Fellaini is Man United quality?
Yes. If Phil Neville could be a squad player here for all those years. I see little problem with Fellaini being one. The only time one should piss and moan about 'United quality' is if a player is being treated as a starter. Not a mere squad/fringe player. It shouldn't be hard to grasp that any player of superior quality to Fellaini would not be happy to be on our bench and only called on to do odd jobs. Fletcher who was way superior to him left for that reason.
 
Seriously mate do you really believe that Fellaini is Man United quality?

He's nowhere near, if he's our first CM option off the bench and the one that would come in for Herrera or Pogba if they are injured we need to revaluate that position quickly.
 
Yes. If Phil Neville could be a squad player here for all those years. I see little problem with Fellaini being one. The only time one should piss and moan about 'United quality' is if a player is being treated as a starter. Not a mere squad/fringe player. It shouldn't be hard to grasp that any player of superior quality to Fellaini would not be happy to be on our bench and only called on to do odd jobs. Fletcher who was way superior to him left for that reason.

Seriously Chief? You're forcing me to defend the Nevilles? Why are you so cruel mate? Will you also force me to defend OShea and Mcfail too now?

a- Phil Nev was never paid top salary. He's lucky that we didn't ask him to pay us for playing for us let alone giving him a top salary
b- He could cover multiple positions. DL, DR, DM. Ok he was a bit meah for DR-DL but I actually liked him as DM. He certainly was better then Fellaini in that role.
c- we had some of the best players at the time. Very few players whose ambitious and actually have talent would dare competing for a first team place with the likes of Keane, Scholes, Irwin and co. You needed people like Phil, on little salary, whose just happy to wear the United shirt. That's not the case with today's players


Fellaini is a 30m panic signing. His salary probably reflect that. I feel sorry for him but he cant play as AM in a top club and he's out of depth as a DM (which is understandable since its not his role)
 
Seriously Chief? You're forcing me to defend the Nevilles? Why are you so cruel mate? Will you also force me to defend OShea and Mcfail too now?
Defend them from what? Being useful squad players?

a- Phil Nev was never paid top salary. He's lucky that we didn't ask him to pay us for playing for us let alone giving him a top salary)
I bet he earned up to 50k a week. Besides I doubt Fellaini is on humongous wages. And in this age of inflation, I dont care if he is. For I bet he is earning the equivalent of what the Neville's earned when they were at United a decade ago....

b- He could cover multiple positions. DL, DR, DM. Ok he was a bit meah for DR-DL but I actually liked him as DM. He certainly was better then Fellaini in that role.)
So what if he was a better DM than Fellaini? the point is he wasnt superior to any of our starters at the time. Just like Fellaini. Fellaini can fill in a number of positions. At times very well at times not which is exactly the role of a squad player.

c- we had some of the best players at the time. Very few players whose ambitious and actually have talent would dare competing for a first team place with the likes of Keane, Scholes, Irwin and co. You needed people like Phil, on little salary, whose just happy to wear the United shirt. That's not the case with today's players
That's a lame excuse. The likes of Phil Neville were happy on our bench precisely because they were not good enough to start at a club like ours. When they developed well enough to be too good for our bench, or we found/developed superior squad players, they made way. No one sat about mourning as to why we didn't have superior player filling up their role. Sqaud player earn their places on the training pitch the hard way. I don't see how it is their problem that players with superior talents to them can't do it, so I find it arsinine for people to take it out on them.

Fellaini is a 30m panic signing. His salary probably reflect that. I feel sorry for him but he cant play as AM in a top club and he's out of depth as a DM (which is understandable since its not his role)
Which is all irrelevant bs. He didn't set his own price so it matters little how much he cost and he is good enough to fill the role of a squad/fringe DM and AM at a top club. Because that is the job for players of his ilk. Superior players to him, except in special cases, never have such a role. They prefer rather to move on to pastures new rather than fill in for starters. That is why I find it inherently foolish for people to piss and moan that the likes of him, Lingard, Young or Rojo for example are still around. Superiors player to them would never accept our bench, and in the case of young players, actually have their development hurt by being mere squad players. Rather than having first team roles like a Rashford that can get in and out of the main 11 more regualarly
 
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Defend them from what? Being useful squad players?


I bet he earned up to 50k a week. Besides I doubt Fellaini is on humongous wages. And in this age of inflation, I dont care if he is. For I bet he is earning the equivalent of what the Neville's earned when they were at United a decade ago....

So what if he was a better DM than Fellaini? the point is he wasnt superior to any of our starters at the time. Just like Fellaini. Fellaini can fill in a number of positions. At times very well at times not which is exactly the role of a squad player.

That's a lame excuse. The likes of Phil Neville were happy on our bench precisely because they were not good enough to start at a club like ours. When they developed well enough to be too good for our bench, or we found/developed superior squad players, they made way. No one sat about mourning as to why we didn't have superior player filling up their role. Sqaud player earn their places on the training pitch the hard way. I don't see how it is their problem that players with superior talents to them can't do it, so I find it arsinine for people to take it out on them.

Which is all irrelevant bs. He didn't set his own price so it matters little how much he cost and he is good enough to fill the role of a squad/fringe DM and AM at a top club. Because that is the job for players of his ilk. Superior players to him, except in special cases, never have such a role. They prefer rather to move on to pastures new rather than fill in for starters. That is why I find it inherently foolish for people to piss and moan that the likes of him, Lingard, Young or Rojo for example are still around. Superiors player to them would never accept our bench, and in the case of young players, actually have their development hurt by being mere squad players. Rather than having first team roles like a Rashford that can get in and out of the main 11 more regualarly

You're back to the 'breaking a post in tiny bits to win an argument aren't you?

The argument is simple here. Phil qualified as homegrown talent, he was on peanuts and while he wasn't a great player he could adequately cover 2 positions and do very well in a third one. When his workrate started to falter he was on his way.

Fellaini was a panic buy and his salary would probably reflect that. He can only play in one position ie no 10 and to play him there you would have to play Neanderthal football which doesn't suit a club who clearly want to win something meaningful during their season. Any effort to play him in a deeper role had failed because, as his former team mate said, this guy is clumbsy at best and you don't want him anywhere near your box. I bet Leon Osman knows Fellaini far more then me and you do.

I am not big fan of Phil but there's a difference between a squad player whose there to fill the gaps and a player whose being paid as a 30m rated panic buy despite being worth far less. and whose game is simply not suite for us.

Also note that I don't blame Fellaini of nothing really. I put the blame on us for hiring an idiot whom, in typical fashion, would probably hire other idiots to do the job.

Honestly mate, I never understood your fixation towards shit midfielders. You insisted till the very end that Ando will make it and now this.
 
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You're back to the 'breaking a post in tiny bits to win an argument aren't you?

The argument is simple here. Phil qualified as homegrown talent, he was on peanuts and while he wasn't a great player he could adequately cover 2 positions and do very well in a third one. When his workrate started to falter he was on his way.

Fellaini was a panic buy and his salary would probably reflect that. He can only play in one position ie no 10 and to play him there you would have to play Neanderthal football which doesn't suit a club who clearly want to win something meaningful during their season. Any effort to play him in a deeper role had failed because, as his former team mate said, this guy is clumbsy at best and you don't want him anywhere near your box. I bet Leon Osman knows Fellaini far more then me and you do.

I am not big fan of Phil but there's a difference between a squad player whose there to fill the gaps and a player whose being paid as a 30m rated panic buy despite being worth far less. and whose game is simply not suite for us.

Also note that I don't blame Fellaini of nothing really. I put the blame on us for hiring an idiot whom, in typical fashion, would probably hire other idiots to do the job.

Honestly mate, I never understood your fixation towards shit midfielders. You insisted till the very end that Ando will make it and now this.
First, I could care less about winning any argument on here anymore. I have much better things to do. Second, I don't give a rats behind Neville was home grown. His quality as a player is hardly different to Fellaini's. feck the fee or the moron who paid 30m for that level of playet. He is squad player quality as is Fellaini and that is the bottom line. Better players than them dont fill squad roles. They leave. Just like Fletcher. Third, its quite fallacious for you to bring up Anderson. He was a super talented lad whose career was ruined by injury and iffy application of his talent. Never being shit. I don't see any relevance that has to me insisting no one should be pissing and moaning over the quality of a fringe squad player. Especially when those deemed superior in talent to him are simply not pulling their weight. The day they are pulling their weight and he miraculously is still ahead of them, people like you will would have grounds to hate Fellaini. But as of now, going by the direction you took your reply, you clearly prefer to be puerile and childish about it. So am done with this topic. If you can't see the lack of sense in hating on fringe squad players, who get picked ahead of talented folks not pulling their weight. It says more about you than anything they do.
 
First, I could care less about winning any argument on here anymore. I have much better things to do. Second, I don't give a rats behind Neville was home grown. His quality as a player is hardly different to Fellaini's. feck the fee or the moron who paid 30m for that level of playet. He is squad player quality as is Fellaini and that is the bottom line. Better players than them dont fill squad roles. They leave. Just like Fletcher. Third, its quite fallacious for you to bring up Anderson. He was a super talented lad whose career was ruined by injury and iffy application of his talent. Never being shit. I don't see any relevance that has to me insisting no one should be pissing and moaning over the quality of a fringe squad player. Especially when those deemed superior in talent to him are simply not pulling their weight. The day they are pulling their weight and he miraculously is still ahead of them, people like you will would have grounds to hate Fellaini. But as of now, going by the direction you took your reply, you clearly prefer to be puerile and childish about it. So am done with this topic. If you can't see the lack of sense in hating on fringe squad players, who get picked ahead of talented folks not pulling their weight. It says more about you than anything they do.
What makes Fellaini a useful squad player for a team that aspires to win trophies? Out of the best teams in Europe right now, name any of them that have a player that excels at elbowing and fouling other players. Would he be a useful squad player for City or Liverpool right now? Would he be able to play quick, free flowing one touch football? Would he be able to dribble past a man? Would he be able to score goals by any means other than hoofing the ball in to the box? How about Atletico, would he be a good squad player for them? Would he be able to play the high tempo pressing game? Would he be able to contribute to a incisive counter attack?

Genuinely I'm intrigued as to what you think is useful about this clumsy oaf. Because I don't see a damned thing he does that our team would miss, or that any good team out there would want.
 
First, I could care less about winning any argument on here anymore. I have much better things to do. Second, I don't give a rats behind Neville was home grown. His quality as a player is hardly different to Fellaini's. feck the fee or the moron who paid 30m for that level of playet. He is squad player quality as is Fellaini and that is the bottom line. Better players than them dont fill squad roles. They leave. Just like Fletcher. Third, its quite fallacious for you to bring up Anderson. He was a super talented lad whose career was ruined by injury and iffy application of his talent. Never being shit. I don't see any relevance that has to me insisting no one should be pissing and moaning over the quality of a fringe squad player. Especially when those deemed superior in talent to him are simply not pulling their weight. The day they are pulling their weight and he miraculously is still ahead of them, people like you will would have grounds to hate Fellaini. But as of now, going by the direction you took your reply, you clearly prefer to be puerile and childish about it. So am done with this topic. If you can't see the lack of sense in hating on fringe squad players, who get picked ahead of talented folks not pulling their weight. It says more about you than anything they do.

You're taken it too seriously. Anyway I repeat there's a massive difference between a squad player, who qualified as a homegrown talent, he was on low salary and who did a half decent job in 3 roles and a 30m panic buy, whose on top salary and whose neither good nor useful for us.

And yes, my patience does tend to run low with squad players. I believe that a player can either be first team standard or with enough talent to achieve that goal. If he lacks attitude and/or talent to do that then we should have bring somebody who will (transfer market/youth academy etc). As rule of thumb I think a player can underperform for a maximum of 2 years. After that he should be either loan or sold.


I can't help thinking that if we weren't so patient with rubbish players like Ando/Cleverley then we would have probably kept Pogba and Drinkwater and who knows, they might have sorted our CM problems once and for all.
 
He's literally done nothing that I can remember in 2 years apart from score a goal early last season.

That was a friendly wasn't it? His first appearance for the club?
 
He will be a great replacement for Barry. Shame it didn't work out, he had some good performances for us but Herrera+Pogba are the clear starters for a long time in our midfield.
 
Ohh 24m is a nice fee! How much did we pay for him i forgot, 30m?
 
Wish he was given more game time. He belongs at this level and should have formed a great partnership with Herrera and Pogba (With Herrera the deepest).
 
24m? We've robbed Everton blind.

Actually think he will be excellent once he gets up and going for them. Maybe the big stage at United was too big
 
I can't help thinking that if we weren't so patient with rubbish players like Ando/Cleverley then we would have probably kept Pogba and Drinkwater and who knows, they might have sorted our CM problems once and for all.

Yeah, but compare that to Fletcher, who was the recipient of dogs abuse for a couple of seasons, and who ended up being key to one of the most successful runs in our history and a fans favourite.
 
24m? We've robbed Everton blind.

Nah, i don't think we have. He is still a good player and will probably do very well for Everton.

In this market you really should get at least 20m for a player like Schneiderlin, selling to a PL club only increase that.
 
Great signing for Everton. Think he'll do very well there.
 
Nah, i don't think we have. He is still a good player and will probably do very well for Everton.

In this market you really should get at least 20m for a player like Schneiderlin, selling to a PL club only increase that.

They could've probably got a player of similar quality for half the money somewhere in Europe. Instead we're going to make our money back on an utterly pointless player. He'll probably do fine at Everton where you can just run around a bit and not be expected to contribute too much.
 
They could've probably got a player of similar quality for half the money somewhere in Europe. Instead we're going to make our money back on an utterly pointless player. He'll probably do fine at Everton where you can just run around a bit and not be expected to contribute too much.

Yeah, but Koeman knows Schneiderlin and what he will contribute to the team. Going for the safe option is probably a good idea, even if they have to spend a bit more.
 
We should get £24m considering what they paid for Bolasie. Seems to be some loose pursestrings going on with the blue Scouse.
 
He's an established PL midfielder but still 24M is good money. We rarely ever do that well on our sales.
 
For such an obviously good defensive midfielder it's saying a lot that we won't miss him one jot.
 
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