Morgan Schneiderlin | Everton Player

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A shame he didn't work out, at all. He really should've been a good back up for Herrera now, playing like an all action 8.

But that fact remains, he's been dire and too scared to get involved out on the field. Not a United player.

The bids are already at an acceptable level, anything more is just a bonus. Bye Morgan.
 
Surprised he didn't work out but the first time I saw him in a united shirt it didn't seem right. Think he'll do just fine at Everton and 20m is fair.
 
Any bid below £24m is a joke honestly, there's clearly a good midfielder in there - he just needs a run of games to get back to his former level.

We need players to come in who have an instant impact, and therefore we can't accommodate him right now.

If they dont want to pay market price, then I'd prefer we keep him and give him sub appearances when necessary for injuries/rotation.
 
Im happy that we are holding out for a proper fee for once, it still rankles that we left Berbatov go for 5 million and while I cant remember what we got for Nani/Hernandez it probably wasn't anywhere near enough what they were worth.
 
Robertd0803 said:
Im happy that we are holding out for a proper fee for once, it still rankles that we left Berbatov go for 5 million and while I cant remember what we got for Nani/Hernandez it probably wasn't anywhere near enough what they were worth.
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Agree, I dont get why these clubs are trying to take the piss. If were holding out for 20m (or have told them) but theyre bidding 13m or 19m. Thats proper pisstake, and they would complain if we did the same thing to them.
Yes I know its negotiating tactics and such, but glad were actually not goin "yeah fine have him since we need to get rid of him".
 
Sylar said:
Agree, I dont get why these clubs are trying to take the piss. If were holding out for 20m (or have told them) but theyre bidding 13m or 19m. Thats proper pisstake, and they would complain if we did the same thing to them.
Yes I know its negotiating tactics and such, but glad were actually not goin "yeah fine have him since we need to get rid of him".
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Clubs think we are so rich already why do they need a proper fee? Before we used to just let people go because they wanted to play, perhaps in this instance it's because the players have asked to leave rather than us booting them out.

I think Schneiderlin + Memphis have both asked to go, so we are making sure we get the best deal possible. Schneiderlin is better than all of WBA's midfielders, and he's just as good as Barry IMO.
 
vi1lain said:
Any bid below £24m is a joke honestly, there's clearly a good midfielder in there - he just needs a run of games to get back to his former level.

We need players to come in who have an instant impact, and therefore we can't accommodate him right now.

If they dont want to pay market price, then I'd prefer we keep him and give him sub appearances when necessary for injuries/rotation.
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I agree with this. The notion of biting their hand off for £19m is nonsense IMO. Happy to see Jose breaking with the United tradition of offloading decent players for very low fees. Besides, we're not actually stacked with good cover in midfield, and he'll be a very good player for a smaller club. In fact I don't really like this transfer unless we're going to replace him with someone. Imagine if one of Carrick/Pogba/Herrera get injured, we'll be starting Fellaini in every game. And if two of them are out - Fellaini and chubby old Bastian starting for us? Shudder.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
I heard we turned down 19 Million. I would rip their hand off for that considering his performances and lack of game time.
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Nah not in this market. He's proven he's a very good player for a mid table side.

It's been his quality on the ball that has been lacking for a top side that has the majority of possession against sides that need breaking down.
 
Ramshock said:
Would anyone apart from me take Coleman in exchange?
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No, because Valencia has been brilliant for us this season plus Coleman isn't that much younger. Also his performances have gone downhill since two seasons back when he had a genuine claim as the best RB in the league.
 
vi1lain said:
Any bid below £24m is a joke honestly, there's clearly a good midfielder in there - he just needs a run of games to get back to his former level.

We need players to come in who have an instant impact, and therefore we can't accommodate him right now.

If they dont want to pay market price, then I'd prefer we keep him and give him sub appearances when necessary for injuries/rotation.
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I don't think it would be a joke at all, in fact 20-21m should do the trick. We bought him for 24m which included the usual United tax and he hasn't really played much or enough to justify how much we bought him for. Mid table clubs are not going to splash the cash in the 25-30 range for midfielders who haven't really done much in two years.
 
Raoul said:
I don't think it would be a joke at all, in fact 20-21m should do the trick. We bought him for 24m which included the usual United tax and he hasn't really played much or enough to justify how much we bought him for. Mid table clubs are not going to splash the cash in the 25-30 range for midfielders who haven't really done much in two years.
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I can understand us perhaps paying the United tax, but this was also 2 years ago - Everton aren't strapped for cash anymore, plus PL money and the fact that they need a midfielder, means an extra 5m isn't too much a stretch. We have more leverage here, and West Brom are interested too that could also bump up the price.
 
vi1lain said:
I can understand us perhaps paying the United tax, but this was also 2 years ago - Everton aren't strapped for cash anymore, plus PL money and the fact that they need a midfielder, means an extra 5m isn't too much a stretch. We have more leverage here, and West Brom are interested too that could also bump up the price.
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Except that Schneiderlin isn't really that good for them to pay in the 25m range, especially then they could dip into the likes of Holland, Germany, or Italy to look for comparable midfielders at about half the price. If he actually played a lot to reinforce his value over the pat couple of years it would be a different matter.
 
Raoul said:
Except that Schneiderlin isn't really that good for them to pay in the 25m range, especially then they could dip into the likes of Holland, Germany, or Italy to look for comparable midfielders at about half the price. If he actually played a lot to reinforce his value over the pat couple of years it would be a different matter.
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Maybe he isn't but they paid 30m for Bolasie and were ready to spunk similary on Moussa Sissoko. If they're willing to pay that much for a couple of highlight players that have never created the type of end product you'd expect for the price in the PL then United are right to hold out for a few more quid.
 
Raoul said:
Except that Schneiderlin isn't really that good for them to pay in the 25m range, especially then they could dip into the likes of Holland, Germany, or Italy to look for comparable midfielders at about half the price. If he actually played a lot to reinforce his value over the pat couple of years it would be a different matter.
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Most players aren't 'worth' their transfer fee, not even from a "there's too much money in football" perspective, but they paid £25m rising to £30m for Bolasie.
Now they want a player who plays in a position they need to reinforce, and is a known to Koeman from his time at Southampton, and he has PL experience.
If Koeman were to dip into the German markets he'd be paying a similar fee, the Dutch, and Italian leagues are harder to gauge true ability from, but if Everton's aim is to get into the Europa spots, they need someone who can come in instantly.
Plus we paid them £27m for Fellaini, they owe us quite frankly.
 
vi1lain said:
Most players aren't 'worth' their transfer fee, not even from a "there's too much money in football" perspective, but they paid £25m rising to £30m for Bolasie.
Now they want a player who plays in a position they need to reinforce, and is a known to Koeman from his time at Southampton, and he has PL experience.
If Koeman were to dip into the German markets he'd be paying a similar fee, the Dutch, and Italian leagues are harder to gauge true ability from, but if Everton's aim is to get into the Europa spots, they need someone who can come in instantly.
Plus we paid them £27m for Fellaini, they owe us quite frankly.
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Also, its January, there are fewer players on the market at the moment. I'd be surprised if there were many better midfielders than him on the market for a comparable price.
 
Unmutual said:
Also, its January, there are fewer players on the market at the moment. I'd be surprised if there were many better midfielders than him on the market for a comparable price.
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Yep, this plus the fact that West Brom are bidding for him too, £25m really isn't that much in today's market for a top 10 PL team.
 
Everton are sitting on 50 million pounds and they could pay up 25m if we play hard ball. We should stop giving players at a steep discount like we've been doing for past few years.
 
You guys clearly havent seen Coleman for a white, even ToffeeTv channel doesn't want him in their team, let alone ours.

And for the love of God, we pay high wages, hence the low sell on price, to counteract that.

How many times does it need saying?
 
vi1lain said:
Most players aren't 'worth' their transfer fee, not even from a "there's too much money in football" perspective, but they paid £25m rising to £30m for Bolasie.
Now they want a player who plays in a position they need to reinforce, and is a known to Koeman from his time at Southampton, and he has PL experience.
If Koeman were to dip into the German markets he'd be paying a similar fee, the Dutch, and Italian leagues are harder to gauge true ability from, but if Everton's aim is to get into the Europa spots, they need someone who can come in instantly.
Plus we paid them £27m for Fellaini, they owe us quite frankly.
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Bolasie and sissoko were making an upward move whereas Schneiderlin is making a downward move. That affects the price.
 
Pexbo said:
Nah not in this market. He's proven he's a very good player for a mid table side.

It's been his quality on the ball that has been lacking for a top side that has the majority of possession against sides that need breaking down.
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It seems like we are holding out for £20 Million. I don't think quibbling over a million on this deal is in our best interest otherwise he will just linger here and suck up more wages. I would be very surprised if someone were to offer much more than that.
 
Trust the club to attract criticism for holding out for more money. You've got to laugh at times.
 
Obviously always better to hold out for the best deal possible, but for a player who has no place on the squad, we don't use anymore, etc getting in the range of 20-22 mil is not really awful. As long as those running the club are okay with the price and the effect it has on the clubs finances (ie it doesn't hamper our transfer spending) then I can't really be bothered about it.
 
JustAFan said:
Obviously always better to hold out for the best deal possible, but for a player who has no place on the squad, we don't use anymore, etc getting in the range of 20-22 mil is not really awful. As long as those running the club are okay with the price and the effect it has on the clubs finances (ie it doesn't hamper our transfer spending) then I can't really be bothered about it.
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I think Mourinho made a point in the summer of mentioning that we usually end up paying over the odds for players whilst on the other side selling at a discount. He made a point of saying that this will have to stop and other clubs will have to pay. Its a good thing we are following through. Will be better for us in the long run
 
prath92 said:
Bolasie and sissoko were making an upward move whereas Schneiderlin is making a downward move. That affects the price.
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We are the selling club, January is a pain to buy players anyway, West Brom are also interested, and they need a midfielder to cover for AFCON & injuries.
We have the leverage, why not get the best deal possible?

Fair enough if he's on high wages that they can't sustain, but they're hardly scraping the barrel for quality players here. He'll do very well for them.
 
I'm pretty sure that the club knows what it's doing.

Money is burning a hole in Everton's pocket, their midfield is desperate for reinforcements and Koeman is a huge fan of Schneiderlin. They'll pay up.
 
EyeInTheSky said:
It seems like we are holding out for £20 Million. I don't think quibbling over a million on this deal is in our best interest otherwise he will just linger here and suck up more wages. I would be very surprised if someone were to offer much more than that.
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You wanted us to accept the £13m or £19m first offers from West Brom and Everton? Surely it'd make more sense to hold out for more and gauge what the interested clubs are willing to raise their offers to, especially with the transfer window just opening.
 
United Pro said:
You wanted us to accept the £13m or £19m first offers from West Brom and Everton? Surely it'd make more sense to hold out for more and gauge what the interested clubs are willing to raise their offers to, especially with the transfer window just opening.
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No, clearly I wanted us to accept the £19 Million from Everton or whoever. I did not mention £13M or west brom and clearly, if both offers are on the table the £19 Million is the better choice...

If we can get more then why not but then it's a risky game that we are playing because the highest current bidder may pull out and get someone else because they are obviously desperate to get a midfielder in time and we will be stuck with a footballing non-entity on wages that could be better spent elsewhere.
 
No need to rush this transfer - there are clubs who need him a lot more desperately than we need their money. So I don't have a problem with us waiting for £24 million - because we will probably get it eventually
 
Schneiderlin has failed here and effectively lost two years of his career. All the praise and kudos he had accumulated has faded and we don't play him.

I'm not sure how much more than £20m we can get, given the circumstances. As a buying club, you've got every right to say the player you're getting can not carry the fee he arrived at with the fanfare off the back of his performances.
 
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Fortitude said:
I'm not sure how much more than £20m we can get, given the circumstances. As a buying club, you've got every right to say the player you're getting can not carry the fee he arrived at with the fanfare off the back of his performances.
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Circumstances are its January, with teams losing players to Acon, hes a proven prem player, with 2 teams wanting him, and will immediately improve the starting lineup of each team. Plus hes 27 so pretty much will be counted as in his prime.

Were in a better situation than them. Their need to buy is greater than our need to sell.
 
GloryHunter07 said:
Oh right! Didn't realise he was that tall.
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Yeah, doesn't look it. Luke shaw is as well. Both less than an inch shorter than Phil Jones, who looks taller than he is. How players are built often makes them look different. Bigger upper bodied players look taller and visa versa.
 
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