Morgan Schneiderlin | BBC: Morgan Schneiderlin is currently having a medical at Manchester United.

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Pogue Mahone said:
Daley Blind seemed like an even easier deal to seal and he wasn't on board until September. Loads of reasons for deals to drag on a bit, no matter how simple it seeems. It's been a funny window because a fair bit of business was done early but there's still a lot of clubs who haven't done much business yet. Which is standard enough.
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Wasn't the Blind deal done really quickly? Something like 2 days from when we made the original approach? A bit like Memphis.

Its just we seemed to wait an age to actually make a move for Blind in the first place. Probably wasn't our first choice etc etc

Il Prete Rosso said:
It's easier said than done. I've been told that quite a few times that agents are the ones that stymie a deal being done for a player as their fees must be taken into account and sometimes both clubs just walk away from the deal. It could be something as simple as that holding this up.
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Well thats certainly reassuring! :lol::nervous:
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
Must be Schweinsteiger surely. Unless we've got a really under the radar deal going like Pogba, Vidal or Veratti. Doubt it though.
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That really would be the height of stupidity, waiting around like a teenage girl at a Bieber concert for a 31 year old injury prone CM with nothing left to prove. Schneiderlin is just turned 25 and hungry, with his peak ahead of him.
 
Devil may care said:
:D He's left footed though, unless LvG just said right footed holding midfielder as not to upset Blind.
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Well, I hope quality is still more important than which foot the player uses. Besides I still think, even if we don't sign Schneiderlin for example, there's still enough midfielders to go after.
 
Devil may care said:
I think with Blind we hung on so long waiting to see if Vidal's knees shaped up, in the case of Schneiderlin it's hard to reason why we don't just chuck Southampton the £25M up front and get him in now.
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Im guessing they might want more? Or have said right give us some time to get a replacement before we announce...listen to me...I'm playing devils advocate.
 
bucky said:
Well, I hope quality is still more important than which foot the player uses. Besides I still think, even if we don't sign Schneiderlin for example, there's still enough midfielders to go after.
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Outside of Schneiderelin and Xhaka I am stumped, especially if we want someone who has already shown a good level in a top league.

RedorDead21 said:
Im guessing they might want more? Or have said right give us some time to get a replacement before we announce...listen to me...I'm playing devils advocate.
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Waiting for them to buy a replacement I could see, but how much more could they possibly want, £25M is a fair price for him I'd say.
 
Devil may care said:
Outside of Schneiderelin and Xhaka I am stumped, especially if we want someone who has already shown a good level in a top league.



Waiting for them to buy a replacement I could see, but how much more could they possibly want, £25M is a fair price for him I'd say.
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Well stats wise I think Sky have him as the best DM in the PL overall. Coq for Arsenal I think wins on 3 scores and he on more..importantly passing out....And I hear he's home grown.....he's 25 yrs old.....They are dealing with United....you know the score. Personally I'd pay more but hey.
 
Devil may care said:
Outside of Schneiderelin and Xhaka I am stumped, especially if we want someone who has already shown a good level in a top league.



Waiting for them to buy a replacement I could see, but how much more could they possibly want, £25M is a fair price for him I'd say.
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Perhaps a Koke or Veratti? I'm sure the club has tiers in mind..a list as LVG put it. If scheniderlin was 1 or 2 I'd eat my own face.
 
Devil may care said:
Realistically those 2 are simply not obtainable though.
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Since when have we been realists. Jesus look around we are dreamers! At least let us try and get the very very best in the door. IMO everyone has a price and saying we cant get them is factually not correct. We can and we will. The Empire will strike back :)
 
Devil may care said:
That really would be the height of stupidity, waiting around like a teenage girl at a Bieber concert for a 31 year old injury prone CM with nothing left to prove. Schneiderlin is just turned 25 and hungry, with his peak ahead of him.
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But he's not going to reach Schweinstiger's level. You do have to factor in that the Schweinstiger is the far better footballer, even if the other factors favor Schneiderlin.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
If he's a quality player why can't Madrid go for him? They have no defensive midfielder, Modric plays in that deep role and they had to play Ramos there last season.
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Because Madrid like I suggested we may be starting to become...have pressures from all angles..to deliver a name....them signing Schneiderlin would be like them signing the equally impressive Diarra from was it Portsmouth......that lad was quality in the PL for me.....or that guy from Bolton they signed....was it bolton ha?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
But he's not going to reach Schweinstiger's level. You do have to factor in that the Schweinstiger is the far better footballer, even if the other factors favor Schneiderlin.
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That's not a certainty given his age but a player who is a good player and actually capable of playing 2 roles in midfield who is also physically in good health is the most important aspect. Not getting in a 31 year old who can only play 1 role in midfield and who's played less and less due to injury, we have enough injury prone players.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Since when have we been realists. Jesus look around we are dreamers! At least let us try and get the very very best in the door. IMO everyone has a price and saying we cant get them is factually not correct. We can and we will. The Empire will strike back :)
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Both PSG and Atletico refused big offers from the likes of Barcelona in the past though, dreaming is fine but we can't throw money at a club who doesn't need it as they will just reject it. Simeone said everyone bar Koke and Godin are for sale, PSG are in for the long run and rejected every offer for their star young players like Marquinhos and Verratti.

Unless we go mental and offer 80m+ there is no discussing with PSG or Atletico Madrid over them.
 
Pogue Mahone said:
In the space of that one week we've gone from rubbish at signing players to amazing, to rubbish again. All without anything actually happening.
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Before I flew out I'd read that we'd agreed the signing or something to that effect. Catching up after a week and nothing changed?

That's all I meant.
 
NL Max said:
Both PSG and Atletico refused big offers from the likes of Barcelona in the past though, dreaming is fine but we can't throw money at a club who doesn't need it as they will just reject it. Simeone said everyone bar Koke and Godin are for sale, PSG are in for the long run and rejected every offer for their star young players like Marquinhos and Verratti.

Unless we go mental and offer 80m+ there is no discussing with PSG or Atletico Madrid over them.
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Well I'd pay 80m for veratti for example. Pogba will go for 60 say. These lads can give 10 years service. Well the latter wouldnt stay that long in heaven but you know what I mean. And in regards to PSG they might want Di Maria...all I'm saying is dont become a realist...there is zero future in it.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
But he's not going to reach Schweinstiger's level. You do have to factor in that the Schweinstiger is the far better footballer, even if the other factors favor Schneiderlin.
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Well some would argue Keano didnt..prob no one on here but you get the point. Who cares. Perhaps no other young DM will...we just need a quality one to gel with our our quality players?
 
amolbhatia100 said:
If he's a quality player why can't Madrid go for him? They have no defensive midfielder, Modric plays in that deep role and they had to play Ramos there last season.
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Do you not know how Madrid operate? They look for Galacticos. Not Defensive midfielders. They sold Makelele because although they needed a player like him, he wasn't a fancy name.
 
Devil may care said:
That's not a certainty given his age but a player who is a good player and actually capable of playing 2 roles in midfield who is also physically in good health is the most important aspect. Not getting in a 31 year old who can only play 1 role in midfield and who's played less and less due to injury, we have enough injury prone players.
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I'm not advocating one or the other. But one has to remember that LVG's aim is to win the league quickly, and Schweinstiger is someone who will go down as one of the best midfielders of his generation. He's been that good. I've not heard anyone even suggest that Schneiderlin can be that good so I'm for now leaning towards "yeah, that looks quite a certainty to me right now". Again, I'm not saying "Schweinstiger instead of Schneiderlin". I actually prefer younger signings. But just saying, reducing the former to your description isn't quite incorrect. It suggests that the players are equals in terms of ability, whereas the other variables favour Schneiderlin.

Right, typing their names are a pain. I'm going with Sndl and Swng. Who's with me?
 
Devil may care said:
Outside of Schneiderelin and Xhaka I am stumped, especially if we want someone who has already shown a good level in a top league.



Waiting for them to buy a replacement I could see, but how much more could they possibly want, £25M is a fair price for him I'd say.
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Krychowiak and Lars Bender are still obtainable. I'm not their biggest fan, but they are very good players at what they do. Especially Krychowiak seems perfect for the EPL. We'd still lack that player that can dictate the game, but Schweinsteiger, Xhaka and Verratti are probably the only ones remotely available, who could do that for us and be an upgrade on Carrick. I still have a high opinion of Pjanic and Kovacic, but they'd be a gamble. There's also Gonalons, but I'm not convinced that he'd be better than Blind.
 
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newgiz said:
Do you not know how Madrid operate? They look for Galacticos. Not Defensive midfielders. They sold Makelele because although they needed a player like him, he wasn't a fancy name.
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Were Illaramendi or Lucas Silva galacticos? Again, not saying Madrid will. But if he's a very good footballer I don't see why other big teams simply can't be interested.
 
bucky said:
Krycowiak and Lars Bender are still obtainable. I'm not their biggest fan, but they are very good players at what they do. Especially Krychowiak seems perfect for the EPL. We'd still lack that player that can dictate the game, but Schweinsteiger, Xhaka and Verratti are probably the only ones remotely available, who could do that for us and be an upgrade on Carrick. I still have a high opinion of Pjanic and Kovacic, but they'd be a gamble. There's also Gonalons, but I'm not convinced that he'd be better than Blind.
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The same Lars who was dicked on by cleverley and Giggs and we won 5-0?
 
bucky said:
Krycowiak and Lars Bender are still obtainable. I'm not their biggest fan, but they are very good players at what they do. Especially Krychowiak seems perfect for the EPL. We'd still lack that player that can dictate the game, but Schweinsteiger, Xhaka and Verratti are probably the only ones remotely available, who could do that for us and be an upgrade on Carrick. I still have a high opinion of Pjanic and Kovacic, but they'd be a gamble. There's also Gonalons, but I'm not convinced that he'd be better than Blind.
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Krycowiak is a bit crunchier than Schneiderlin but a decent shout, I don't really rate Lars Bender much, he's always seemed a very middling type of CM to me, nothing really stands out when I watch him. Pjanic on his day is a slick player but I am not sure the PL would suit him, he even seemed unable to raise himself in the bigger Serie A games this past season.
 
Devil may care said:
Krycowiak is a bit crunchier than Schneiderlin but a decent shout, I don't really rate Lars Bender much, he's always seemed a very middling type of CM to me, nothing really stands out when I watch him. Pjanic on his day is a slick player but I am not sure the PL would suit him, he even seemed unable to raise himself in the bigger Serie A games this past season.
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Pjanić is not a similar player to Schneiderlin I think, he's a CM who can play as AM too, he has offensive tendencies, defensive not so much, unlike Schneiderlin who is exactly a type of player we need.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
I'm not advocating one or the other. But one has to remember that LVG's aim is to win the league quickly, and Schweinstiger is someone who will go down as one of the best midfielders of his generation. He's been that good. I've not heard anyone even suggest that Schneiderlin can be that good so I'm for now leaning towards "yeah, that looks quite a certainty to me right now". Again, I'm not saying "Schweinstiger instead of Schneiderlin". I actually prefer younger signings. But just saying, reducing the former to your description isn't quite incorrect. It suggests that the players are equals in terms of ability, whereas the other variables favour Schneiderlin.

Right, typing their names are a pain. I'm going with Sndl and Swng. Who's with me?
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The biggest thing though is that we still have Carrick, so while he is still here Schneiderlin would operate as a #8, Schweinsteiger can't play that role these days and his fitness record is very poor to boot. I don't think taking into account the player he was as opposed to the player he is, is the way to go, not with regards to any angle you look at it from. If we got Schweinsteiger he should be looked at as merely bonus rotation with Carrick, not as someone vital to the tasks at hand.
 
I don't really get the Schweinsteiger love. Sure he's a great player, but he's going to be 31 before the season even starts. Not sure how someone who's turned 31 and is going to play in the PL for the first time is a better fit for the club (even in the short term) than a player who is 6 years younger and is a proven PL player who has done consistently well for the last 2 seasons. How many players have come to the league (into a top side) in their 30s and have been a success?

Also not sure who one can definitively say that Schneiderlin can't reach the level of Schweinsteiger.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
Pjanić is not a similar player to Schneiderlin I think, he's a CM who can play as AM too, he has offensive tendencies, defensive not so much, unlike Schneiderlin who is exactly a type of player we need.
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Oh I know, bucky wasn't comparing him, he was talking about the need for us to add a playmaker even if we bought Schneiderlin as we would still miss Carrick's ability to dicatate a game.
 
Devil may care said:
Krycowiak is a bit crunchier than Schneiderlin but a decent shout, I don't really rate Lars Bender much, he's always seemed a very middling type of CM to me, nothing really stands out when I watch him. Pjanic on his day is a slick player but I am not sure the PL would suit him, he even seemed unable to raise himself in the bigger Serie A games this past season.
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Well, Kondogbia would have been another. Like I said I'm not their biggest fan. But the point was there's still midfielders out there. I'd prefer Schneiderlin though and I'm quite confident we'll sign Schneiderlin.
 
Devil may care said:
The biggest thing though is that we still have Carrick, so while he is still here Schneiderlin would operate as a #8, Schweinsteiger can't play that role these days and his fitness record is very poor to boot. I don't think taking into account the player he was as opposed to the player he is, is the way to go, not with regards to any angle you look at it from. If we got Schweinsteiger he should be looked at as merely bonus rotation with Carrick, not as someone vital to the tasks at hand.
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This is what I need educating on. So I agree a fit Carrick plays. So then Scneiderlin plays box to box right. Something I wouldn't say he's one of the best at. At Southampton he has Wanyama correct doing the sitting largely? I'm just wary he's not benefitting from a set up which at United wont be there as much. Do we need more a connector type next to Carrick ala Modric, or a box to box who also gets forward and scores goals...say Gerrard...just need a little clarification?
 
Devil may care said:
Oh I know, bucky wasn't comparing him, he was talking about the need for us to add a playmaker even if we bought Schneiderlin as we would still miss Carrick's ability to dicatate a game.
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Ups sorry then. Pjanić is a good player but he tends to pick games in which he decides to care.
 
amolbhatia100 said:
Were Illaramendi or Lucas Silva galacticos? Again, not saying Madrid will. But if he's a very good footballer I don't see why other big teams simply can't be interested.
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And how much have they played this season? Besides Illaramendi is an overrated player who was signed on the back of a Euro U-21 tournament for a ridiculous amount of money. I will be surprised if Illaramendi stays at Madrid longer. We will see what happens to Lucas Silva. Some rumours that Madrid are looking to loan him out.

With regards to interest from other clubs, maybe Schneiderlin has made clear his desire to only join us.Who knows. I am afraid that the argument that 'Oh he's not a great player because no one else is in him' is too simplistic in my opinion.
 
RedorDead21 said:
Because Madrid like I suggested we may be starting to become...have pressures from all angles..to deliver a name....them signing Schneiderlin would be like them signing the equally impressive Diarra from was it Portsmouth......that lad was quality in the PL for me.....or that guy from Bolton they signed....was it bolton ha?
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It was Everton. His name was Thomas Gravesen. He was good for Everton but was way out of his depth at Madrid.
 
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