Morgan Schneiderlin | BBC: Morgan Schneiderlin is currently having a medical at Manchester United.

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PlayerOne said:
James Ducker says we're interested in Schneiderlin, along with Schweinsteiger and Gundogan. Says we could possibly buy two midfielders.
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I expect us to do that. I think Van Gaal thinks of Carrick's availability as a bonus and one maybe only for next year and at most, the one after that. I think we'll be like this in midfield on opening day:

CM----Herrera (Fellaini, Pereira)
-----DM------- (Blind, Carrick)

with Blind also getting games at LB. So, Schneiderlin and then a more creative CM would make sense as signings. If we play 54 games next year (38 Prem, 8-10 in the CL and 6-8 in the FA + League Cups) that's 162 starts in midfield.

Di Maria wasn't even picked over Young as a CM against Hull and Mata hasn't played CM in ages and I don't really think that will change next season, at least to start. More likely Van Gaal tries to build on the reasonably successful period we had playing the 4-3-3/4-5-1 and hope we get better on both ends with Rooney instead of Falcao up front, a better RB, Memphis fighting with Young at LW, a better partner for Herrera than Fellaini, better LCB, worse goalkeeper and continuity in the formation improving us.
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Worry not. The Threadmarks do the remembering for you. Have a look. He was getting solid praise right up until the Swansea away game. His performances dipped for 3 or 4 games, then he was back on it when he played those 4 or 5 games at LB. Everton, West Brom and Palace were total stinkers. Decent in the final two games. I'd call that most of the season. Surprising that his passing range is being criticised though, as again, the praise in his thread seems to suggest the exact opposite.

I guess it was all 'over-praise' though.
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the fact that many people were calling him "better than Carrick" is so foolishly ridiculous that many got OTT in the other direction
 
OnlyTwoDaSilvas said:
Worry not. The Threadmarks do the remembering for you. Have a look. He was getting solid praise right up until the Swansea away game. His performances dipped for 3 or 4 games, then he was back on it when he played those 4 or 5 games at LB. Everton, West Brom and Palace were total stinkers. Decent in the final two games. I'd call that most of the season. Surprising that his passing range is being criticised though, as again, the praise in his thread seems to suggest the exact opposite.

I guess it was all 'over-praise' though.
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Pretty much.
 
So there's been no development with this since the first news about our interest floated a couple days ago?
 
This thread has quieted down quicker than a mouse hearing a cat. We need rumours to keep the discussion going!
 
I don't particularly like Schneiderlin but if playing him and Blind means we can play Di Maria or Mata centrally then why not. If it is just an individual upgrade on Blind then it is a questionable purchase, even if we do need squad depth in that area.
 
Annahnomoss said:
I don't particularly like Schneiderlin but if playing him and Blind means we can play Di Maria or Mata centrally then why not. If it is just an individual upgrade on Blind then it is a questionable purchase, even if we do need squad depth in that area.
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We need quality in that area not just depth.
 
Would love to see him here at the club...

Here is a little article I found.

http://eplindex.com/68562/good-morgan-schneiderlin.html?

How good is Morgan Schneiderlin?
By Aashish Murali -

Jun 3, 2015


The relentless circus that is the summer transfer window has churned out another rumour now and a strong one at that, linking Louis Van Gaal’s Manchester United to a midfielder that is not named ‘Wesley Sneijder’, raising several eyebrows on social media platforms. Frenchman Morgan Schneiderlin is the new, yet largely familiar, name to be associated with Manchester United as the Red Devils look to spend big again in a quest to improve on last season and mount a genuine title challenge in the campaign ahead. The move looks plausible after the 25-year old admitted he could leave Southampton for an English club that will take part in the Champions League next season, narrowing down the possible destinations to four – Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and Man United*. (*Qualified for the two-legged playoffs)



From Manchester United’s perspective, Morgan Schneiderlin will be seen as the ideal long-term replacement for Michael Carrick who will turn 34 this July. Van Gaal has been crying out for balance in the midfield when Carrick is sidelined and Morgan Schneiderlin could bring to Manchester United just that, coupled with the ability to break up play and a sense of authority the side has lacked at times. At 25, it is safe to say Schneiderlin has plenty of time ahead of him to settle in and improve playing and learning alongside the likes of Carrick himself and make the holding midfield position his own for the foreseeable future.

Crunching some numbers, the Frenchman has appeared 26 times (2 from the bench) in the Premier League this season helping his team win 14 of those and losing only 7 games in the process. The 25-year old has made a vital contribution to Koeman’s side that has done so well defensively with him being at the forefront of everything good about the Saints’ performance at the back, organising that back four, making timely interceptions, crucial tackles and what not. In what has been a spectacular second season in the Premier League for him and Southampton, Morgan Schneiderlin has managed to average 4 defensive actions per game – the most for a midfielder at Southampton (alongside Wanyama) that includes 110 interceptions and clearances combined. Added to that, the midfielder has also chipped in with 4 goals and a solitary assist making him one of the most sought after holding midfielders in the Premier League at this point in time.

The statistics look even more impressive when compared with fellow deep-lying midfielders in Carrickm, who could be his future teammate, and Nemanja Matic, who is widely regarded as the best in his position in the Premier League.



The comparison table above (courtesy of Squawka) has produced some interesting results as far as Schneiderlin’s position in the Premier League as a whole is concerned. It appears that the Frenchman is clearly better than his counterparts in two absolutely key areasthat serve as virtual barometers for a holding midfielder using which one can come to a conclusion as to where they stand with respect to others playing in a similar position. Scheiderlin has managed to make 2.59 interceptions and 3.25 tackles per 90 minutes placing him well ahead of Michael Carrick signalling the potential upgrade he could turn out to be for Manchester United. His passing completion has been remarkable as well although one cannot expect him to be as inventive as the English 33-year old but playing alongside him and fellow top quality midfielders could only make him better, if anything.

The fact that Morgan Schneiderlin has taken to the Premier League as well as any foreign player plus his inspiring performances against the big clubs will have hardly gone unnoticed which also explains the interest shown by some of those in Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United themselves. While Canal + suggests that it could be Old Trafford that the 24-year old will be heading to, anything under the rumored fee of £25 million should be viewed as a good deal, for both parties. In a long and exhaustive list of right footed midfielders that Van Gaal is going after that reads Ilkay Gundogan, Bastian Schweinsteiger and now Morgan Schneiderlin to replace Michael Carrick and restore balance, it looks the Frenchman could be the most appropriate.
 
Rob Bowman said:
Would love to see him here at the club...

Here is a little article I found.

http://eplindex.com/68562/good-morgan-schneiderlin.html?

How good is Morgan Schneiderlin?
By Aashish Murali -

Jun 3, 2015


The relentless circus that is the summer transfer window has churned out another rumour now and a strong one at that, linking Louis Van Gaal’s Manchester United to a midfielder that is not named ‘Wesley Sneijder’, raising several eyebrows on social media platforms. Frenchman Morgan Schneiderlin is the new, yet largely familiar, name to be associated with Manchester United as the Red Devils look to spend big again in a quest to improve on last season and mount a genuine title challenge in the campaign ahead. The move looks plausible after the 25-year old admitted he could leave Southampton for an English club that will take part in the Champions League next season, narrowing down the possible destinations to four – Chelsea, Man City, Arsenal and Man United*. (*Qualified for the two-legged playoffs)



From Manchester United’s perspective, Morgan Schneiderlin will be seen as the ideal long-term replacement for Michael Carrick who will turn 34 this July. Van Gaal has been crying out for balance in the midfield when Carrick is sidelined and Morgan Schneiderlin could bring to Manchester United just that, coupled with the ability to break up play and a sense of authority the side has lacked at times. At 25, it is safe to say Schneiderlin has plenty of time ahead of him to settle in and improve playing and learning alongside the likes of Carrick himself and make the holding midfield position his own for the foreseeable future.

Crunching some numbers, the Frenchman has appeared 26 times (2 from the bench) in the Premier League this season helping his team win 14 of those and losing only 7 games in the process. The 25-year old has made a vital contribution to Koeman’s side that has done so well defensively with him being at the forefront of everything good about the Saints’ performance at the back, organising that back four, making timely interceptions, crucial tackles and what not. In what has been a spectacular second season in the Premier League for him and Southampton, Morgan Schneiderlin has managed to average 4 defensive actions per game – the most for a midfielder at Southampton (alongside Wanyama) that includes 110 interceptions and clearances combined. Added to that, the midfielder has also chipped in with 4 goals and a solitary assist making him one of the most sought after holding midfielders in the Premier League at this point in time.

The statistics look even more impressive when compared with fellow deep-lying midfielders in Carrickm, who could be his future teammate, and Nemanja Matic, who is widely regarded as the best in his position in the Premier League.



The comparison table above (courtesy of Squawka) has produced some interesting results as far as Schneiderlin’s position in the Premier League as a whole is concerned. It appears that the Frenchman is clearly better than his counterparts in two absolutely key areasthat serve as virtual barometers for a holding midfielder using which one can come to a conclusion as to where they stand with respect to others playing in a similar position. Scheiderlin has managed to make 2.59 interceptions and 3.25 tackles per 90 minutes placing him well ahead of Michael Carrick signalling the potential upgrade he could turn out to be for Manchester United. His passing completion has been remarkable as well although one cannot expect him to be as inventive as the English 33-year old but playing alongside him and fellow top quality midfielders could only make him better, if anything.

The fact that Morgan Schneiderlin has taken to the Premier League as well as any foreign player plus his inspiring performances against the big clubs will have hardly gone unnoticed which also explains the interest shown by some of those in Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester United themselves. While Canal + suggests that it could be Old Trafford that the 24-year old will be heading to, anything under the rumored fee of £25 million should be viewed as a good deal, for both parties. In a long and exhaustive list of right footed midfielders that Van Gaal is going after that reads Ilkay Gundogan, Bastian Schweinsteiger and now Morgan Schneiderlin to replace Michael Carrick and restore balance, it looks the Frenchman could be the most appropriate.
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basically exactly what I've read about him in this thread and elsewhere but in a more cultivated way.
Still think it's too good to be true..
 
m1y2 said:
It appears that the Frenchman is clearly better than his counterparts in two absolutely key areas that serve as virtual barometers for a holding midfielder using which one can come to a conclusion as to where they stand with respect to others playing in a similar position. Scheiderlin has managed to make 2.59 interceptions and 3.25 tackles per 90 minutes placing him well ahead of Michael Carrick signalling the potential upgrade he could turn out to be for Manchester United.
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Meaningless stats.
 
peterstorey said:
Without adjustment for context they tell you nothing at all. What are they even supposed to be telling you? 'Effectiveness as a DM'?
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They tell you that he makes a good amount of tackles and interceptions per game over the course of a season, that suggests that he is at least doing something right as a defensive players. It doesn't mean that he isn't doing other things wrong or that he might not fit into a certain style of play etc.
 
The number of tackles and interceptions made per game is obviously higher for teams that can't keep the ball. Therefore as a comparative stat it is virtually meaningless. Would not be surprised at all to see rubbish sitting midfielders for the poorest teams in the division at the top of the list.
 
m1y2 said:
basically exactly what I've read about him in this thread and elsewhere but in a more cultivated way.
Still think it's too good to be true..
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Someone made the point above, which these stats ignore but is highly relevant, that because we have so much of the ball than Saints, Schneiderlin must as a result be called upon to intercept more and tackle more than Carrick. Overall, then, we should expect Schneiderlin to have better interception and tackle stats because both are more important requirements for his team than Carrick. It does is not necessarily mean he is a better DM as a result.
 
Yep, Lucas Leiva was the stat leader for tackles/game, with Claudio Yacob and fecking George Boyd in the top 10, for last season.

For interceptions, Federico Fazio is 4th, and he has been absolute bobbins.
 
RedChip said:
Someone made the point above, which these stats ignore but is highly relevant, that because we have so much of the ball than Saints, Schneiderlin must as a result be called upon to intercept more and tackle more than Carrick. Overall, then, we should expect Schneiderlin to have better interception and tackle stats because both are more important requirements for his team than Carrick. It does is not necessarily mean he is a better DM as a result.
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You are right, but that also means that if we struggle to keep the ball, if we are under pressure, Schneiderlin can and will do exactly what we need from him, meaning tackling and intercepting efficiently.
 
I think Schneiderlin is a good player, who might get very good. He's certainly not top class at the moment but would make a decent signing for most teams.
 
Classical Mechanic said:
They tell you that he makes a good amount of tackles and interceptions per game over the course of a season, that suggests that he is at least doing something right as a defensive players. It doesn't mean that he isn't doing other things wrong or that he might not fit into a certain style of play etc.
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Compared to what benchmark? What criteria are tackles and interceptions measured by, in what formation, in what quality of team, with what team strategy? Unless you can define and adjust for these parameters the numbers are meaningless (as your vague definition of what's being measured points up).
 
Pete's right that pedalling around pointless stats doesn't prove anything, but I think Schneiderlin is superb. Whoever signs him is getting a seriously good player.
 
peterstorey said:
Compared to what benchmark? What criteria are tackles and interceptions measured by, in what formation, in what quality of team, with what team strategy? Unless you can define and adjust for these parameters the numbers are meaningless (as your vague definition of what's being measured points up).
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You know the level context Pete. He plays in the Premier League. You have watched Southampton a lot I would have thought.

I don't believe they are 'meaningless' they just have to be viewed with a healthy amount of scepticism and not taken as illustrating anything like the whole picture.

Maybe it is semantics.
 
Agree that the stats on their own a fairly pointless. In the context of the Premier League and Schneiderlin playing for a club in Southampton, that conceded the joint least amount of shots per game (with us, incredibly) whilst not having particularly impressive possession figures anymore, he's obviously been effective in his role.
 
Every time i have seen Southampton play he stands out to me as a player our midfield could really use, while he doesn't have the vision/passing range of carrick he would be better at shielding the back 4 and enabling our more creative midfielders to do their thing...he would be a superb signing for us and at this point I would take him over Schweinsteiger due to his better injury record and familiarity with the EPL.
 
JPRouve said:
You are right, but that also means that if we struggle to keep the ball, if we are under pressure, Schneiderlin can and will do exactly what we need from him, meaning tackling and intercepting efficiently.
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But we do not struggle to keep the ball, which means Schneiderlin's strengths will mostly be wasted on us.
 
RedChip said:
But we do not struggle to keep the ball, which means Schneiderlin's strengths will mostly be wasted on us.
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A large part of possession football is being able to recover the ball quickly and efficiently. Think about that great Barca team 2009-2011 how they used to engage in 10 seconds of frantic pressing in order to win the ball back on the few occasions they lost it.

Not to mention we're nowhere near that level yet and have experienced a few instances this season, especially away from home, of being unable to retain the ball. Second half vs Palace springs to mind straight away.
 
RedChip said:
But we do not struggle to keep the ball, which means Schneiderlin's strengths will mostly be wasted on us.
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When we loose the ball, we struggle to win it back at times, also we tended to move towards being super safe with our passing in order to compensate for that fact. Especially without Carrick in the side, when we lost the ball in midfield we tended to conceed chances.
 
RedChip said:
But we do not struggle to keep the ball, which means Schneiderlin's strengths will mostly be wasted on us.
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Because we never are in a defensive position or Schneiderlin can't pass the ball around?
 
gooDevil said:
If we sell him, where do you think he'd end up?

You know, after we buy him.

Oh, what, speculating two steps ahead is ridiculous you say...
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We should just get PSG to pay us not to buy him. Saves everyone the hassle
 
RedChip said:
But we do not struggle to keep the ball, which means Schneiderlin's strengths will mostly be wasted on us.
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Absolutely, we don't need players who can tackle or intercept.
 
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