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I think the big advantage of signing this guy(or another complete midfielder) is that we can drop the defensive midfielder and use him and Herrera as CMs + an attacking midfielder behind the striker. I assume that is the reason why we are linked with these kind of midfielders, Gundongan and Schweinsteiger also come to mind.

If we also manage to sign a CB like Hummels(that is extremely good on the ball) he can push up most of the times when we are in possession and act like a defensive midfielder/deep lying playmaker and give us a extra player when we attack.
 
:lol: at you failing to see how important Blind was for us in the first half of the season and another :lol: at you for failing to see that he got tired in the end of the season due to a very long world cup as well as other reasons.

And yes they are all better than Schneiderlin.
No way Blind is better than Schneiderlin!
 
What is the more shocking ones do share?

Is really Schneiderlin the best option? What has he done up to now to establish himself and to be the player that we lack and that we need in the middle of the park? If you think he's on Carricks level, or Makelele or whoever else was mentioned in this thread you'd be disappointed.

The rumored bids for Schneiderlin are around 25m. Schweinsteiger will go likely for less, Vidal probably we can get for a bit more, both of whom are much better players overall than Schneiderlin and will fit right in.

If Verratti or similar class player becomes available we should also go in for him for more money as in the long term he'd be the better option. I doubt that a bid around 50-60m wouldn't prize him away from PSG with the EUR being battered these days against the pound and dollar.

All three of them are with more experience, established players and with much higher ceiling than Schneiderlin will ever be.

And how is Schneiderlin an upgrade on Carrick? He has nowhere near the same passing range like him nor the ability to control the tempo in midfield.

Vidal is more box to box or CAM, he's well rounded but it would be pitty to play him as no6, it's not his position..
Schweinsteiger is getting old, don't think we need quick fix, he would immediately benched your beloved Carrick.. he's quite injury prone too, wouldn't make sense to have two injury prone players coming to the end of their careers. Well Schweiny is a little bit younger..
Verratti yes! he would be an upgrade but is he possible target? he's as realistic as much as for example Pogba, can we get any of the two this season? No chance..

comparing Carrick to Makelele would suggest you didn't see makelele play, he was much better defensively, stronger. Carrick's too elegant, no doubt fantastic passer and great intelligent player but Schneiderlin is world class at what he does taking ball from players with ease, somebody mentioned that he could be the type of Keane - Carrick replacement, different players, both brilliant although I rate Keane higher. There is no a difference in quality of the two players (Schneiderlin and Carrick) atm I believe but Carrick will be 34 next year is injury prone and he's not that genial as Scholes who could play till his forties and if anybody remembers it was great to see him play but we struggled off the ball often played 5 men midfield etc, and that's worrying, when we have ball I am comfortably enjoying what I see but when we lose it and the other team counter us or we need to get the ball back we are still quite poor and there is lack of mobility in some players and no ball winner, apart Herrera who likes it in advanced positions, the player we desperately need.

Schneiderlin on the other hand who I and other sane people here rate very highly is very underrated player but he just plays for Soton which is arguably on par with clubs like Benfica from where Matic came to Chelsea and all of a sudden he's the best DM in the league (exactly what Chelsea needed and actually won the league by far and their defensive record has been the best, even played fantastic football in the first half), I think Schneiderlin would make that step-up easily he knows the league etc. he showed he can play the best teams in the league not like he would have had great games against poor sides.. he also showed how consistent he can be, unlike Matic who had poor second half to the season, player who is so close to him and is not brilliant passer either

but I am sorry if you don't understand, passing's not everything you should look at the game as a whole, there are certain aspects of our game we need to improve, Schneiderlin would help us massively in this matter and that's why I think he would be an upgrade, every people moan about how we play slow possession game but did anybody look at it like we only play the stuff we can because of the players we have? Van Gaal certainly won't like to play this way, we will play a lot quicker in the end and better with more solid defense, pressing and positive defending is the key in modern football.

I believe I've said enough, everything else is in my previous comments but I believe I had some arguments with you back then in this thread so you may read it again if you want.. I feel I've seen Morgan enough this and the previous seasons to claim what I claim. I think you are wrong judging him but that may be your opinion and hope it won't take long time and we will see who was closer to the true but nothing can get me angry more than making god from Carrick who is apparently best at everything. Schneiderlin and Carrick are different players and one is at the end of his career and the former can only get better while already being at least on par in what he would bring to our side..
 
There's a new misconception am seeing among football fans, if you don't have an elegant style like Older version Scholes, Pirlo, Carrick etc then immediately people go on about such player not having a good passing range. Schneiderlin not having a good passing range is a myth, he's a wonderful passer of the ball, he's very composed, he covers more ground and is efficient in interception [something we cream ourselves about Carrick] and tackling. I think the fact he's playing for Sotton is clouding a lot of judgements. It was the same about Vidal, until Juventus took a punt on him. I'll be glad if we sign this guy, he has qualities that fits the needs of our team right now.
 
All the schneiderlin haters on here remind me of when we signed Carrick.

'Over rated'
'Too expensive'
'Not United quality'
Etc etc

And just like when we signed Carrick at the time, schneiderlin represents a massive improvement in an area where we are lacking.

I guess some posters on here are just slow learners, or will always prefer more exotic or flashy foreign players
 
There's a new misconception am seeing among football fans, if you don't have an elegant style like Older version Scholes, Pirlo, Carrick etc then immediately people go on about such player not having a good passing range. Schneiderlin not having a good passing range is a myth, he's a wonderful passer of the ball, he's very composed, he covers more ground and is efficient in interception [something we cream ourselves about Carrick] and tackling. I think the fact he's playing for Sotton is clouding a lot of judgements. It was the same about Vidal, until Juventus took a punt on him. I'll be glad if we sign this guy, he has qualities that fits the needs of our team right now.

Agree. Many people still underate Keane's passing ability as an example
 
All the schneiderlin haters on here remind me of when we signed Carrick.

'Over rated'
'Too expensive'
'Not United quality'
Etc etc

And just like when we signed Carrick at the time, schneiderlin represents a massive improvement in an area where we are lacking.

I guess some posters on here are just slow learners, or will always prefer more exotic or flashy foreign players
Foreign? You do realise he's French, right?
 
How anyone can doubt his passing ability is odd. His pace and power are very impressive and those tackles...he don't feck about!
One of the things I like most about that video is his acceleration and power off the mark to get past the guy marking him. Opens up a lot of space in the midfield once he runs past that first man.
 
One of the things I like most about that video is his acceleration and power off the mark to get past the guy marking him. Opens up a lot of space in the midfield once he runs past that first man.

Very Viera like to me....not saying he is that good but yeah his pace is a huge asset and also a huge thing our midfield lacks.
 
All the schneiderlin haters on here remind me of when we signed Carrick.

'Over rated'
'Too expensive'
'Not United quality'
Etc etc

And just like when we signed Carrick at the time, schneiderlin represents a massive improvement in an area where we are lacking.

I guess some posters on here are just slow learners, or will always prefer more exotic or flashy foreign players
not long ago we signed Herrera from Bilbao who was also not good enough back in the day, right now he's arguably our best player and definitely most important part of the team, top top signing, not every player started its career in a big club, there are certainly a lot of players waiting for the big move and are ready for it, Schneiderlin is 100% ready
 
Vidal is more box to box or CAM, he's well rounded but it would be pitty to play him as no6, it's not his position..
Schweinsteiger is getting old, don't think we need quick fix, he would immediately benched your beloved Carrick.. he's quite injury prone too, wouldn't make sense to have two injury prone players coming to the end of their careers. Well Schweiny is a little bit younger..
Verratti yes! he would be an upgrade but is he possible target? he's as realistic as much as for example Pogba, can we get any of the two this season? No chance..

Vidal is not CAM, I think you haven't watched him a lot. He's more defensive type of a player and has started as a CB for Juve when there was an injury crisis(like Carrick has for us). He's more explosive, more agile than Schneiderlin, better in the air and pretty much pips him in every department. He often runs into channels and gets to the box but he is more of a DM than CAM if you go by definition. He's excellent as a DM and as a #6. He can track back and regain position, you don't have to play him as a CAM to get his attacking benefits as well. Schweinsteiger is 5 years older than Schneiderlin, it's not like he's decade old. Also 30 years of age in todays game, and his game is not all about pace can get another 3-4 years at very good to top level. He has averaged nearly 40 games per season in the last 5 seasons. He did have an injury this year and some ankle problems, but who didn't? Carrick has played 40 games or more in every season bar the last one at United. I don't get that injury prone stuff. Yes he's a bit old now, but a midfield of Schweinsteiger/Carrick/Herrera/Blind/Mata/Fellaini you'll have cover. We don't need numbers or squad players but quality.

As for Verratti, why not? Was AdM possible target last year? Also Sanchez for Arsenal? If the right offer comes and we see him as a viable asset why not? It seems that Real have set their sights on Pogba, Barca have a transfer ban, Bayern are pretty much stocked in that department, can't see a reason why we can't nick him and who else can beat our offer having in mind FFP.

comparing Carrick to Makelele would suggest you didn't see makelele play, he was much better defensively, stronger. Carrick's too elegant, no doubt fantastic passer and great intelligent player but Schneiderlin is world class at what he does taking ball from players with ease, somebody mentioned that he could be the type of Keane - Carrick replacement, different players, both brilliant although I rate Keane higher. There is no a difference in quality of the two players (Schneiderlin and Carrick) atm I believe but Carrick will be 34 next year is injury prone and he's not that genial as Scholes who could play till his forties and if anybody remembers it was great to see him play but we struggled off the ball often played 5 men midfield etc, and that's worrying, when we have ball I am comfortably enjoying what I see but when we lose it and the other team counter us or we need to get the ball back we are still quite poor and there is lack of mobility in some players and no ball winner, apart Herrera who likes it in advanced positions, the player we desperately need.
Makelele was compared to Schneiderlin earlier in the thread as a player who doesn't shine but is great one. I've not compared both, just saying the names being mentioned next to him in the thread as a bit premature. Also Carrick is different to Schneiderlin and doesn't get stuck into tackles, but offers much much more in his role. You mentioned Schneiderlin as improvement to Carrick which I found odd. Also Keane was a lot better at the same age to Schneiderlin in all departments, passing one of them as well.

Schneiderlin is one that can get the ball back and can stop the attack but afterwards has the habit of trying a hollywood pass or loosing the possession immediately after. Even if you look at the highlights against Chelsea where he had a great match you can see that on several occasions. For example Vidal can keep possession much better and is much more powerful going into channels and going forward, also has a better shot on him and generally is a lot better in every aspect. All players that I have mentioned have:
1. CL experience, Schneiderlin does not.
2. Played for a big club, where the expectation is higher, Schneiderlin hasn't.


Schneiderlin on the other hand who I and other sane people here rate very highly is very underrated player but he just plays for Soton which is arguably on par with clubs like Benfica from where Matic came to Chelsea and all of a sudden he's the best DM in the league (exactly what Chelsea needed and actually won the league by far and their defensive record has been the best, even played fantastic football in the first half), I think Schneiderlin would make that step-up easily he knows the league etc. he showed he can play the best teams in the league not like he would have had great games against poor sides.. he also showed how consistent he can be, unlike Matic who had poor second half to the season, player who is so close to him and is not brilliant passer either
Chelsea defensive record has been the best because their manager has the best defensive record and always has, especially in his previous stints at different clubs. They defend excellently as a unit is Matic is exactly a Mourinho type of player.

Matic gained prominence in Benfica's EL run where he put some great performances and against Chelsea in the final. Schneiderlin has put in some solid performances, but to me he is more like Dembélé type of signing at the moment, he hasn't proven the same qualities even Matic had at the same age.

Dembélé as well was pretty good for Fulham against us and against some of the top sides. A lot were calling to sign him up but did he make the same step up?

but I am sorry if you don't understand, passing's not everything you should look at the game as a whole, there are certain aspects of our game we need to improve, Schneiderlin would help us massively in this matter and that's why I think he would be an upgrade, every people moan about how we play slow possession game but did anybody look at it like we only play the stuff we can because of the players we have? Van Gaal certainly won't like to play this way, we will play a lot quicker in the end and better with more solid defense, pressing and positive defending is the key in modern football.

When we're looking at LvG particular playing style and what he wants to achieve here and the formation that he wants to build we need a very good passer on the ball and one that can soak pressure, there are much better options at the moment than Schneiderlin in that department. A year ago a lot wanted Carvalho, where is he now?

And how will Schneiderlin help us massively in the attacking aspect of our game? He's not better than Carrick, Herrera or Mata in that department, he'd only be an upgrade on Blind at the moment, but also you have to bear in mind that it was Blind's first season in the EPL so he may also improve at the same level Schneiderlin has.

I believe I've said enough, everything else is in my previous comments but I believe I had some arguments with you back then in this thread so you may read it again if you want.. I feel I've seen Morgan enough this and the previous seasons to claim what I claim. I think you are wrong judging him but that may be your opinion and hope it won't take long time and we will see who was closer to the true but nothing can get me angry more than making god from Carrick who is apparently best at everything. Schneiderlin and Carrick are different players and one is at the end of his career and the former can only get better while already being at least on par in what he would bring to our side..
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I've seen him a lot these 2 seasons as well. Based on that I see him more of a Dembele signing at the moment. He doesn't have the ceiling all above players have/had. I'd rather us to go for a more established and proven player that can improve our game immediately. At the moment Schneiderlin is a gamble in that department.

if you rather choose, which midfield would you pick for the next 3 years:

Schweinsteiger - Herrera - Mata / Carrick

Vidal - Herrera / Blind - Mata / Carrick

Verratti - Herrera / Blind - Mata / Carrick

OR

Schneiderlin - Herrera / Blind - Mata / Carrick

All the schneiderlin haters on here remind me of when we signed Carrick.

'Over rated'
'Too expensive'
'Not United quality'
Etc etc

And just like when we signed Carrick at the time, schneiderlin represents a massive improvement in an area where we are lacking.

I guess some posters on here are just slow learners, or will always prefer more exotic or flashy foreign players

Carrick was one of the best midfielders in the league at Spurs, he was also regarded as better than Lampard at WHU at some point. He was also capped at 20 for England.

We've seen a lot of highly regarded players for 1 season and then that didn't live to their potential. For one Carrick I give you Dembele and Cabaye.
 
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Schneiderlin is not the next Pirlo when it comes to passing but, it is good enough. His passing is on the same level of someone like Javi Martinez or Blaise Matiudi. His ability to win the ball and his workrate will be his biggest value here. At Southampton he has shown more than enough quality to show he can make the step up.
 
@Enigma_87 Vidal isn't a defensive player per se, he can play everywhere for Chile and Juventus, he has played CB/DM/RB/8/10. And this season he has been the '1' in Juve's 4-3-1-2.
 
@Enigma_87 Vidal isn't a defensive player per se, he can play everywhere for Chile and Juventus, he has played CB/DM/RB/8/10. And this season he has been the '1' in Juve's 4-3-1-2.
not saying he is. He's truly box to box. He's part of Juve's 3 man midfield, usually on the right side, Pirlo in the middle and Marchisio/Pogba on the left when 3-5-2/5-3-2 or 4-3-3

Pogba usually occupies more advanced role than him in Juve's setup.

This season Alegri has switched to the 4-3-1-2, but it's not always Vidal there, it may be Perreira, Pogba, etc, and he would be on the right alongside Marchisio and Pirlo.
 
I'd love this to happen - proven premier league quality and an upgrade on not only Carrick but possibly Blind too. In fact, he's probably even better than Blind. I don't think, if we signed him, we would also sign Gundogan, but imagine if we did :drool:
We would have so many options!
 
I'd love this to happen - proven premier league quality and an upgrade on not only Carrick but possibly Blind too. In fact, he's probably even better than Blind. I don't think, if we signed him, we would also sign Gundogan, but imagine if we did :drool:
We would have so many options!


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I'd love this to happen - proven premier league quality and an upgrade on not only Carrick but possibly Blind too. In fact, he's probably even better than Blind. I don't think, if we signed him, we would also sign Gundogan, but imagine if we did :drool:
We would have so many options!
Way tougher than Daley plus only one red card in three seasons.
 
I'd love this to happen - proven premier league quality and an upgrade on not only Carrick but possibly Blind too. In fact, he's probably even better than Blind. I don't think, if we signed him, we would also sign Gundogan, but imagine if we did :drool:
We would have so many options!
Carrick is better than Blind. Schneiderlin is also easily better than Blind.
 
All the schneiderlin haters on here remind me of when we signed Carrick.

'Over rated'
'Too expensive'
'Not United quality'
Etc etc

And just like when we signed Carrick at the time, schneiderlin represents a massive improvement in an area where we are lacking.

I guess some posters on here are just slow learners, or will always prefer more exotic or flashy foreign players

The reason many didnt like the Carrick signing was because he was never going to be as good as the player he replaced. I cant believe anyone who actually watched him thought he wasnt still a very good player.
 
The reason many didnt like the Carrick signing was because he was never going to be as good as the player he replaced. I cant believe anyone who actually watched him thought he wasnt still a very good player.

And especially since Carrick matched the changing times in football after all the so-called hard men started disappearing from the surface. For me, it's no use dwelling in the past and hope United will find a carbon copy of a particular player when looking for a replacement. Keane was no Robson, Carrick was no Keane, so I don't understand why Carrick's future replacement needs to be a carbon copy of Michael Carrick rather than just being the player he is as long as he grows into a good player of his own.
 
Slightly better dribbler than Fletcher, but not as good a passing range.

Edit: I mean that as a compliment, btw.
 
No one will be wanking over Blind; he is a good squad player at best. In fact, he won't get half the praise if he wasn't a United player. Most would be calling him the Dutch Cleverley or Colback.

Schneiderlin is a different class to Blind, and should be one of our two midfield signings.
 
No one will be wanking over Blind; he is a good squad player at best. In fact, he won't get half the praise if he wasn't a United player. Most would be calling him the Dutch Cleverley or Colback.

Schneiderlin is a different class to Blind, and should be one of our two midfield signings.
They'd be complete morons if that were the case.
 
They'd be complete morons if that were the case.

Really? People do tend to exaggerate the qualities of their own players while playing down other teams players. Blind looked a mediocre player whenever he was in the midfield during the second half of the season; he wasn't very good in the earlier half either. It's no surprise that the game against Liverpool, where he was at LB, is considered his best performances of the season. He is a decent squad player, and that's about it. He was a stop gap last minute buy when we couldn't acquire our first choice targets. He would move to the bench or at left back as soon as we buy another midfielder.

I think real morons are posters who think he is the bee's knees. But then, he is Dutch, and that has been the flavor of choice since VG's arrival.
 
Schneiderlin, Schneiderlin,
Does whatever a Sneijder can
French sources say, soon he signs
Catches muppets by surprise
Get in!
Here comes the Schneiderlin
 
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