It's so apparent you're a WUM it's getting boring discussing with you.Ffs you're so clueless. You actually think Fellaini is a better option for us in midfield rather than Scheiderlin?
Nah hopefully LVG doesn't plan on doing that stupid long ball tactic to Fellaini ever again, considering every time the other team man marks Fellaini he becomes utterly useless and we are then playing with 10 men. We need more guys with technical ability like Herrera in the team not one trick pony's.
If we don't upgrade Fellaini then we are not getting anywhere near the title.
Morgan Schneiderlin | BBC: Morgan Schneiderlin is currently having a medical at Manchester United.
- Thread starter Cina sucks
- Start date
- Status
What exactly do you not agree on?
Everything you have posted in the last few hours.
Schneiderlin is a massive upgrade on Fellaini, he can keep possession, make interceptions, create chances, make great tackles and also offer very good physicality along with good technical ability.
Anyway it's 4 AM and I need to sleep so I'll try to put a more detailed response tomorrow when hopefully we get more news regarding this transfer story.
Last edited:
I couldn't disagree more. He has had 3 great seasons in a row in the Premier League and I imagine was great before that in the Championship and League One as well.
Khedira has also not played for several clubs let alone proved anything with several clubs. You say you don't rate players based off one season but seem to rate players based on the club and national team they play for. He hasn't proven anything at Madrid other than not being very good. I could say the same things you have said about Ramires and there isn't a chance in hell he is a better player than Schneiderlin either.
Last edited:
Amazing. No.
Yes please explain in detail to me tomorrow why you think Schneiderlin will be an excellent player in the #10 position. I can't wait.
So you think he has been very good for three seasons in a row in PL? Really? Very good compared to who? His fellow Southampton colleagues? He certainly hasn't been top club level for more than one season. I still don't think he is good enough for us, and the fact that he doesn't have the required abilities that we need makes me 100% sure we won't sign him.
Because he can jump like a kangaroo on steroids.
You're such a great poster. Not only are you blessed with knowledge out of this world, but your ability to back up your opinions with this knowledge is just pure text-porn.
Compared to everyone, he was just as good in his first year in the PL as he was this year. There is a reason he made the most interceptions and the second most tackles per game in the league in his first season, its because he was very good. No one has made more tackles than him over the last 3 seasons, that with missing almost half of this season through injury. He is quite clearly one of the best defensive midfielders in the league.
I don't rate any of your opinions in this thread so I won't even bother replying anymore.
I've backed my opinion up many times, you have just chose to ignore and then twist it into something stupid like claiming I called Schniederlin a no10 when I blatantly didn't.
I've said Schiederlin is a better player than Fellaini and would be an upgrade on for the LCM position. I've also pointed out some of the attributes Schniederlin possesses and how our team is currently lacking some of them.
You are already getting laughed at by a few other posters for sprouting absolute nonsense.
I dont know why anyone is comparing Schneiderlin to Fellaini. Schneiderlin is clearly a better CM and an upgrade overall although Fellaini provides a hell of a Plan B.
Both are good enough to help us be a title winning side again but i dont think either will get us back to the heights of 2008.
Both are good enough to help us be a title winning side again but i dont think either will get us back to the heights of 2008.
Indeed Scheiderlin has been very good for 3 seasons and the last 2 seasons he has been outstanding, ask any Southampton fan who watches him every week and I'm sure they will tell you the same.
His statistics are also just as good if not better than most midfielders in the league.
Please God I hope this true. He would be a dream signing for me. He's not flashy but he's effective, efficient at what he does in the MF and gives us steel. Make it happen.
I'd really love to see Morgan at Utd.
Hope it happens.
Hope it happens.
How about we develop a style of play(In Lvg's case possession based) and try to impose it on the opposition for 90minutes instead of acting like a mid table club using long balls when we are 1-0 down at half time.
Looks like a pure destroyer. Doesn't look like much of a passer in that clip.
Uh, Fellaini hasn't played as a LCM. He has played as a wide, false #10. Way closer to a standard #10/CAM than LCM.
Keeping my excitement to myself till we confirm this. This would be a great signing. A proven premier league player who has been performing top notch for last 2 season now. Not to mention only 25. <Fingers crossed>
And yeah, please show me the instances where I'm laughed at.
Look at your tagline, "Van Gaal is Moyes + 150m", unless it's a joke, you clearly have no deep knowledge of Van Gaal and his football philosophy and how he has performed/developed it over his career. And then in this thread, you deny my post saying that Fellaini has worked out great this season because of his physicality which he uses to draw attention and work as a target man in situations where the team is under pressure, as well as his ability to score goals and provide an aerial threat if we were to cross. I'm sure 99% of posters here agree with me on this, and you call it absolute nonsense. That's too funny.
Which means that signing this guy (a central midfielder) shouldn't be hindered by us having a Fellaini (a CAM/no. 10).
There should always be a Plan B imo. Fellaini is not purely a long ball target man anyway, he is a half decent footballer as well. Surely you saw the job he did against Fabregas this season.
What? Advanced as in further up the pitch, not as in more diffucult.
As of right now that is a normative statement, unless you can right now prove it otherwise then you need to pipe down.
However since this is going in circles I'm not going to reply to you again because you clearly have so much insight and wisdom in regard to Van Gaal and his philosophy.
Agreed. Your perception of Man United, Van Gaal, football in general and probably values in life too are so different from mine that I feel our discussion has reached an end. Anyway, it was great fun to read your peculiar denial of logic and your unrealistic wishes.
As of right now that is a normative statement, unless you can right now prove it otherwise then you need to pipe down.
However since this is going in circles I'm not going to reply to you again because you clearly have so much insight and wisdom in regard to Van Gaal and his philosophy.
Is Canal plus deemed reliable in France? Julien Laurens tweeted their suggestion about Schneiderlin.
I don't disagree with you that we need better passes. However, your assumption of Fellaini being one of our two defensive midfielders and fellaini's work rate making that possible, is incorrect. Fellaini is in no way a defence minded midfielder for us. He's an attacking midfielder who tackles a bit. There's no anticipation, positional sense, and very little proper defensive work from him. In fact his best work is coming almost in a second striker position. For me he doesn't impact our central midfield buys at all.
There's a difference between defensive midfielders and defensively orientated midfielders. The latter means that the players are balancing the game tracking back when needed. I don't rate Fellaini at DM at all just to make that clear.
You're talking about every midfielder on the planet. They can all do some defending. Unless you're talking about semi forwards like mata.
I personally think we need two things in midfield. Tackling and technical ability. Whether that comes in the form of a deep lying playmaker and a proper box to box midfielder, or a destroyer and a playmaker who doesn't sit very deep, depends on the options. Fellaini for me is neither. He's that other option you use to bully teams IMO. He's not got the general class that a Manchester United proper midfielder should have but he's got the physicality and goals to hurt teams. So while he should stay I don't think he affects what we need from midfield. He's neither a real box to box midfielder, he's not defensively excellent and he's not a playmaker.
Don't you get it? Many midfielders like Yaya Toure are not defensively orientated. They don't always track back. They focus on attacking, not defending. They don't count the number of opposing attackers compared to defenders. Look at our 4-2 match against City. A major reason why we won was because City expected Yaya Toure to track back, but because he isn't a defensively orientated midfielder (he was two years ago, but he has changed his game especially this season), Man City's team wasn't balanced. Milner was forced to track back way more than their plan was from the start which also helped us a lot.
Yaya is a joke these days. He doesn't even count as a midfielder.
At the moment we play with a midfield that looks a bit like this:
Carrick
Herrera - Fellaini
However, there is a better than reasonable chance that that shape will change to that of a forward facing triangle (a shape LVG has used many times in the past). Something like:Herrera - Fellaini
Carrick - Schneiderlin
Herrera
Scheiderlin is a better footballer than Fellaini. The only way Fellaini gets a place in the team ahead of Schneiderlin if if we keep our current shape and planned to keep using Fellaini/Schneiderlin in that false #10 role. We'd never use Schneiderlin in that way though so it's a false comparison. We'd expect different things from them as they would basically have different roles, except the team as a whole would perform better with the second midfield shape (Schneiderlin included).Herrera
Yes, you're quite right. Pairing Schneiderlin with Carrick would be the best solution if we go for him, but like I've mentioned, it would mean that Rooney will play as a striker next season which I don't think is ideal at all because he doesn't score enough goals these days. However, I think he can develop into a great LCM/#10/Fellaini position. What he needs to do is to stop pumping the ball out wide to Valencia and then run in to the box expecting a cross. It worked under SAF and Moyes, but we rarely cross the way Rooney is used to these days. I think and hope Rooney will be used as an attacking midfielder and will develop his game under Van Gaal, because sadly as a captain he will play every game and won't be dropped (which is stupid).
I'd prefer
-------Carrick
Herrera
-------------Rooney
a lot more than
Carrick - Schneiderlin
------Herrera
Please no. Rooney needs to stay away from midfield.
He's the sort of midfielder we need. Someone whose can win the ball and add some steel in midfield without spoiling our ball possession
Haven't seen much of him other than against United and a few games here and there so, is he ready to make the step up to C.L football?
He plays for the French national team already, he'll be fine.
- Status