The persistent myth that Carrick has only just become a good footballer is insane. He was in my opinion a better player than Lampard in that West Ham team years ago.
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They are not different types of players, they are both box to box, just Vidal is the better player.
The issue was always the price and Levy. I don't think there was someone that didn't want him at United.
If you mean on this board, it was Scholesy who was taking the piss, causing some stir.
Makelele, Carrick, Modric - all were different class to Schneiderlin by the time they were 25, and all were late bloomers, maybe with the exception of Carrick who showed signs of his talent at the time he was at WHU.
I've seen MS play #6 countless times, but let's not go into that.
Well he plays box to box at Soton, haven't watched him for France or before Soton so I can't comment. #6 is for Wanyama.
To be fair thoses trophies we've won earlier, there were probably plenty of other players who have contributed more. Carrick really start to come out of age and became our best player only after he has reached his early 30's
Matic played for fecking benfica last year, and all of a sudden he's the best defensive midfielder in the league, why couldn't Schneiderlin step up and be a better player in much better side who needs the last pice of jigsaw - player like him.. we will never know but I am sure he will end up in top club and will prove his worth.. everybody here is fixated on Carrick, once he leaves you will see he's quite easily replacable, we may not find exactly the same player with his skillset but different better in different things and possibly better overall or fitting in the team better.
stats are not everything that's actually what I say but how else should I point out that he's not better at it? Arguments like I played the position for almost two decades so I understand the role and always tend to focus on work of central midfielders is as irrelevant as anything because you will always end up your argument with Carrick is just excellent and full stop.. Every bit he does is suddenly spectacular for you, if it wasn't Carrick and was a player who played for different team with non-english name would you rate him the same? I highly doubt that.
I also think that most of you are all not focusing on other players enough to give them credit they deserve. Coquelin for example has been exceptional, does he reads the game well? Yeah, and that's it the player for some people came from nowhere so he must automatically be worse, please shut it finally and watch them play unbiased. In which other way you want to messure how well he reads it btw?
You are right with what you said about possession game but he was never exceptional in terms of numbers of interceptions and tackles, even when we played faster football he was never that good, it was always his consistent passing which stood out and his composure and intelligent positioning but his defensive approach has been too passive and that's where we struggle now. I highly doubt that Van Gaal wants to play this slow possession football forever, we will speed up the game and with player like Carrick 33+ it won't ever be that fast.
Physical players like Schneiderlin who win you +-8 balls a game and set quick counter in more advanced position is what we need, that's why Herrera is irreplacable, let someone like Schneid play as 6 and you can play more attacking player next to Herrera, it will be as good or even better in terms of attacking and we will be much more solid coming back.. And people here act like Schneiderlin is bad passer, the same with Matic, or Roy Keane, they're not bad passers at all, just because their physical attributes stand out doesn't mean they're bad at something else.
More objectivity please
It took until 30 for him to be recognized, though it's easy to forget such a name in a generational team, not that I should complain
So you were already a wummer (nowadays known as trolling) already 8-9 years ago when you regularly took pot shots at him and laughed at us for signing him?
Why am I even asking.
Matic has been incredibly underwhelming since the turn of the year anway.
You say Modric as if he isn't one of the best midfielders in the game?
completely agree with you. Carrick had an immediate impact when he signed for us. I think most people just didn't recognise it because he was replacing such a different player in Keane.
No I don't, and Modric always was brilliant. Harry stupidly played him as a winger to start with at Spurs, it was clear he was a class above in midfield.
Carrick had such a big impact initially because he was exactly the type of player we were lacking at the time. He was a missing piece in the jigsaw puzzle.
I'm not saying he wasn't an outstanding player when we bought him, but he has definitely improved over the years at Utd.
That's what I think MS will be to our team, a lower profile signing that adds a missing element to our team.
And for what its worth, MS in my opinion is already as developed a footballer as Carrick was when we signed him, just with different strengths
I'm not saying he wasn't an outstanding player when we bought him, but he has definitely improved over the years at Utd.
That's what I think MS will be to our team, a lower profile signing that adds a missing element to our team.
And for what its worth, MS in my opinion is already as developed a footballer as Carrick was when we signed him, just with different strengths
He did play there as central midfielder eventually. It's interesting though, that he's gone up several notches at Madrid. Maybe the way they didn't use him as well as they could. Or the technical game at Spurs was too weak for him to truly show his class.
He was about this good at Spurs too, only not as recognized because he didn't have world class players around him to capitalize on his brilliance.
It's more about balance. He's always been a good footballer but being a good footballer at Manchester United is not a big deal. Carrick was initially a supporting midfielder and an effective one indeed, but he wasn't essential and super-influential like Scholes, Rooney, Ronaldo, VDS etc. Then he became influencial due to our complete lack of quality in midfield. It was Sir Alex's last season for me where he truly looked like a proper class midfielder in that he begun to take the lead in midfield and gained that authority in his game that he always lacked. Shame for him that this was followed by the last 2 seasons being full of injuries and hence one good year/one not so good year. Overall an excellent signing.
Yeah, but it's hard to say he's as good when he can't be as good due to the players around him. I was actually a bit disappointed in him at Spurs given his technical qualities but safe to say it wasn't him that was limiting the performances.
Is this thread based on anything or is it just a "he could do a job for us" thread?
Anyone who didn't want Modric here I would call misguided.
Even SAF said he was tailor made to take over for Scholes in the CM, its just the asking price (around £40m) and dealing with Levy (especially after Berbatov) put SAF off....but Modric should have been a MUFC player.
I don't know. I think he was more influential than people give him credit for all along. For me it was always the little things that Carrick did that made hime so important, even in that team with Ronaldo. Playing the simple pass, reading the game. He brought calm to our midfield. Keane used to organise our midfield too but obviously he had that explosiveness to grab a game by the scruff of the neck and get the team going. Sure Carrick would never do that but he always was a hugely important cog in the wheels for us, I alway thought he was vastly under-rated. I just don't agree that it was in later years that he became so much better. If anything it was the deteriorating quality around him in Fergie's last two seasons that showed 'non-believers' just how good a player Carrick was, for me I believed in him all along!
And to re-iterate my point from earlier, I am convinced Fergie would look at Schneiderlin as the perfect Carrick replacement!
No I think some of us really think Schneiderlin could do more than just a job for us, as Gary Neville said after we played Saints earlier in the year "he's the real deal"!
Im not sure Schneiderlin has the same vision and range of passing as Carrick, but he is more physical and can shield the back 4 a bit better...not to mention with Herrera and Gundogan in the midfield...thats all the passing & creativity you need right there.
Unfortunately there has been no concrete evidence that we interested in him(if I am wrong, I would love to be corrected)
No interest from us, but he keeps talking about wanting to play in the CL and stay in England, so I would assume he's real interested.
From the players point of view I can see his first preference being Arsenal: they are a more stable club than us at the moment and have a French manager. We would probably be a close second choice however we could probably outbid Arsenal and would be willing to pay higher wages.
IF we really wanted him I would be very confident of getting him. Maybe the recent media lockdown at OT has been even more successful than we thought and he signs for us out of the blue when the window opens. Stranger things have happened
Seems like there's zero interest from us. Shame as he would be an excellent buy.
I was thinking it was just me but I've thought he has been really poor in some games since the turn of the year but I never hear anyone calling him on it. He is just hailed as the best DM in the league and that's it. I'd say he is the best DM but it isn't as clear cut as some like to say, I really don't see much between Matic and Schneiderlin. Schneiderlin even has the added bonus of being able to play B2B as well.
He is a good player, he had two very contrasting halves of football season.
He's a completely different player to Carrick but thats kind of the point I'm making. Ferguson masterfully replaced Keane (our best midfielder for over ten years) with Carrick (who went on to be our best midfielder over the next ten years). I genuinely think Schneiderlin has it in his locker to be our most important midfielder for the next 7/8 years at least. I really hope we sign him but we probably won't
For the last few seasons the player I want us to sign, signs for Arsenal:
2013 - Ozil
2014 - Sanchez
2015 - Schneiderlin?
2013 - Ozil
2014 - Sanchez
2015 - Schneiderlin?
I know. That would be stupid from us not to show any interest.
Unless we have a better player lined up for the role
In your opinion, who are more viable, attainable options?
He seems perfect for us.
Yeah, Schneiderlin is one of those players that doesn't seem to standout until you realise he's just about always the top 3 player in terms of performance no matter what level he plays at. He seriously has all the tools needed to succeed here and I wish we would just sign him.
Well, viability and attainability are two different things. Joey Barton, for example, is more attainable but I wouldn't want him, so let's focus on viability...
Vidal
Pogba
Kroos
Modric
Yaya Toure
Schweinsteiger
Iniesta
Are examples - I have no more idea than anyone else on here as to their attainability (or Schneiderlin's for that matter) so little point discussing that. Did I think Di Maria was attainable at the start of last summer? No. Was he attainable? Yes.
Any two of Xhaka, Vidal, Gundogan and Schneiderlin will do.
My god, sources are finally linking us to him! Could it be? (Transfer Tweets)
Quite a reliable source linking us to him although they have been wrong a few times as well. I'd love him here if it's true. He'd be great here.
Oh please be correct.
More like one source and an army of muppets retweeting it.
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