our midfield could use both and some reports reflected that. Going for schweiny over schneiderlin is a very lvg type thing to do. He's very fussy about player profile and because he even helped mould schweiny from a winger to a midfielder i can see lvg choosing him.
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There's always next week.
Considering we are supposedly desperate to have this wrapped up before we go on tour we are pissing about a fair bit! He wants to leave, they want to sell, we want to buy, we know the price? If we are waiting for the schweinsteiger issue to be sorted first we need to reassess our priorities
We're probably waiting til deadline day to pay £50m for him.
I hear what you're saying about LVG, but if he's only after Schweinsteiger & isnt that bothered about Schneiderlin - then he's lost his feckin mind.
Schneiderlin is the future for us (10 years possibly), while Schweinsteiger is a couple / few seasons at best & his injury record doesnt give confidence that he'll be available all the time either.
It has to both & not just Schweinsteiger..
All of that is common sense man & that's the frustration we all have. Just get it friggin done & dusted for £27m.
So much with us havin a transfer team down in Southampton gettin this sorted the other day, so Schneiderlin is sorted for boarding the plane with us on Monday. They're takin their time if that's the case..
Or the week after, or the week after that.
Someone ask Di Marzio please.
Only @Solius seems flyid in Italian on the caf so it must be him.
I think this is some sort of smokescreen. The day after we seemed to have leaked we're going back for him, all the Schweinsteiger rumours begin to resurface. It could be the other way round, however, I'm starting to think we're not really interested in Schneiderlin.
Asking Di Marzio what he knows about any transfer will get the same response as asking Nathan Barley if he's ever heard of the haircut geek pie.
Che cazzo stai dicendo kevin?
Weird one this, it just doesn't seem to be happening, no way we'd play silly beggars over a few million, maybe LvG just isn't sure and is keeping his options open.
New fcking paradigm.
I probably will be shot down when I say this but I think LVG will give chances to some of the youth players in pre-season first and if they aren't up to it he will spend the cash, which probably will be on Morgan.
Ma non puoi parlare in Italiano qui! Tutte le gente sono molto pazzo oggi!
We don't have anyone who could play Schneiderlin's role and is remotely close to being ready for the first team. No one.
That would also be a stupendously stupid and risky strategy. Turning down a proven top class PL midfielder at the peak of his powers because some kid happens to play out of their skin for two or three games on tour. Thankfully, I reckon Van Gaal is too experienced and competent manager to do something that foolhardy.
Even poor ol' Fletch looked like his old self during pre season. Wholeheartedly agree with you.
Won't shoot you down but i think it's unlikely, who is there that is already at the club that could possibly do a job when Carricks out?
The tour often produces good performances from the youth, that young LB kid who's name escapes me is an example from last year, yet he didn't get a kick last season.
LvG knows what he's got, likely scenario is we are waiting on Schweinstegier which is getting frustrating now .
Plus he has two years left to win some trophies, he won't risk playing youth players with such little time.
Reece James?
Jesse Lindgard looked great on tour too.
Loads of examples of kids (or the likes of Obertan, Bebe and Zaha) looking great on tour but Van Gaal would need his head checked if he bases his transfer strategy on individual performances on tour.
Reece James?
And how long do you think Van Gaal is likely to be around? And therein may lie the answer
Agree tour will be what it always is, good experience for the kids, fitness for main squad, and promoting the club, but for the season pretty much meaningless.
Yes was James thanks.
This is when Woody needs to step up & not let LVG run roughshod over him when it comes to transfer decisions (if that's the case). Based on the nature of LVG's contract, of course he's looking short term, so Woody needs to look to Utd's long term interests. Even if Schneiderlin isn't fully used by LVG, he looks to be the type that would be very useful once LVG, Schweinsteiger, & Carrick are done. If LVG has carte blanche on transfers, it could be problematic as he is more likely to get finished (i.e. older) players instead of up & comers. Granted, Memphis is far from finished, but he also had a history with him (as well as Blind), while I believe Herrera was more forced on him based on previous scouting.
Hopefully, we'll get both CM's and put this to bed quickly (i.e. before tour). I don't care to get into the EPL season & CL qualifier with an unsettled & not-fully integrated team. No need to be penny wise now. Get it done.
Sorry, but that's an awful idea. Van Gaal is not a big fan of board-room interventions in his football plans. Woodward doing what you suggested will just lead to a million trust issues between CEO/ upper management and the manager, which is something that hastened his departure from both Barcelona and Bayern Munich. Some might point to Shaw and Ander from last summer as non-Van Gaal signings, but those deals were pretty much tied up before he was officially appointed.
If you have a proven manager who's been there and done it all, you must hand over the keys of football operation control to him, and trust his expertise in the field instead of trying to micromanage at every opportunity, which by the way seems highly disrespectful and something that was ridiculed in the past with the likes of Chelsea and Madrid. The latter part just smells like baseless paranoia, Louis' other signings hardly indicate that he's planning only for the short term.
The likes of Memphis, probably Darmian, Rojo, Blind are all at a good age and will likely be at United post-Van Gaal. Dunno where the idea of him prioritising short term gain and leaving the squad in a bad shape is coming from when he's also given opportunities to the likes of McNair and Wilson, while trimming out the big wage/ non-performing/ older members of the squad. If Van Gaal doesn't want Schneiderlin (no indications that he doesn't by the way) then I'd be in United's interests to back the manager they appointed in the first place.
I'm really not worried about Van Gaal taking a short term view, he's always been all about laying foundations. A large part of his reputation was built on what players he has nurtured have gone on to do after they parted ways. He's been given credit for that again and again. So he'd surely feel creating a strong and lasting midfield for us will help establish his legacy, ensure he gets credit for what we achieve after he leaves. I'm sure he and Woodward will have discussed this and would both see it in those terms.
Indeed, put like that seems extremely silly. It's definitely not going to happen. IMO we'll have one of Schneiderlin and Schweinsteiger for sure by start of season as well as one of Ramos and Otamendi.
How long exactly till we jet off?
Agree with all the many great points made here, but my only point is - Schneiderlin should be the priority for our midfield & not Schweinsteiger; unless Schneiderlin is cool with all these shenanigans of course.
Schneiderlin's absolutely ready to step up to our level & he'd be a OT hero in no time, so it's not as if it's a gamble on youth. He's ready to go..
Just to offer another perspective to the thread.Everyone seems to believe it's such an easy and obvious deal but we're going 3 weeks since our last offer to him.Something is happening that we don't know.Mind you we might finally fulfill our little wet dream of signing De Jong...
tbf Southampton seem to do this a bit. The Lallana, Shaw and Clyne transfers turned into pretty protracted affairs before they were concluded....
Another transfer saga that half of the caf seems to believe it's an obvious deal to make.For twice (one when he's still at Palace).There are always other players for us to consider.
Morgan is a very good player but I hate it when people act like it's a crime not to sign him.
Once again, you have an intelligent view.
A chairman buying players that a manager doesnt want will never work for about a hundred reasons, all of which are blatantly obvious.
They gave Van Gaal the job and should therefore turst him to do what he needs to do. He stands and falls by his decisions.
The fact that they are not playing the same roles lead me to believe that it's not one or the other but both. I have seen people place Schweinsteiger next to Herrera with Carrick behind them, but that's where Guardiola used him and that's where he isn't perfectly comfortable.
In my opinion Schweinsteiger and Carrick are options for the same position and Schneiderlin is Fellaini replacement, while Fellaini might be a striking option.
It would be better if we can get a couple more players in before the tour so they have more time to gel and train with the new players and staff.
We are idiots if we are not getting this guy...
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