Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea

[sparx99]

How so?

I mean, they spent £600m last year. People got their panties in a twist about their signings and then it didn’t make them better.

Let’s see how it pans out for them first although I was primarily making a joke.

 

[lex talionis]

So annoying we have to sacrifice something

We may all have to consult Mayan and Aztec animal sacrifice rituals (nothing more than a fancy name for a barbecue, tbh) to get us through the next few seasons if we’re stuck with the Gkazer vampires pulling the strings behind the happy face of Sir Jim.

 

[croadyman]

We may all have to consult Mayan and Aztec animal sacrifice rituals (nothing more than a fancy name for a barbecue, tbh) to get us through the next few seasons if we’re stuck with the Gkazer vampires pulling the strings behind the happy face of Sir Jim.

I am not even contemplating something that awful

 

[Rhyme Animal]

If this guy goes to Chelsea while they have no CL footy to offer (he’d actually be LOSING European football going from Brighton to Chelsea…), and Utd don’t hijack the deal, questions need to be asked.

 

[croadyman]

If this guy goes to Chelsea while they have no CL footy to offer (he’d actually be LOSING European football going from Brighton to Chelsea…), and Utd don’t hijack the deal, questions need to be asked.

We seemingly won't walk from Mount for him

 

[Rhyme Animal]

We seemingly won't walk from Mount for him

Crazy if true. Literally giving Chelsea the money to buy a player who fits us better than the one we’re buying from them.

Isn’t the point of getting CL that you can use it as leverage to attract better players…!? Yet we’ve let Mac Allister go to Liverpool for dirt cheap while they have no CL footy, and now this.

 

[Rajiztar]

If this guy goes to Chelsea while they have no CL footy to offer (he’d actually be LOSING European football going from Brighton to Chelsea…), and Utd don’t hijack the deal, questions need to be asked.

We are golden goose for brighton. So they have soft corner for us I suppose. Still we might sell to them our highly rated few youngsters they wanted. Player side seems happy to come.

If there is some offer from you that we can't afford will tilt this deal to your favour. I mean over 100mn they want for him. Offer them the money that they can't avoid if you really wanted him.

May be why you didn't go after him in my opinion.

 

[The Irish Connection]

Gutted if Chelsea get him. Early signs that yet another transfer window under the glazers will not be as good as required. We need energy, ball winning and good passing in midfield, and Caicedo offers exactly that.
The Mount rumours don’t make any sense to me, feels a bit like the van de beek signing from a few years back, although obviously Mount is better. But why are we looking to help Chelsea’s funds?

 

[Ekeke]

Are you one of our brilliant negotiating team???

His position is one of the most crucial in modern football, just cos he dont set up goals and score goals doesnt mean you knock 40million off his value.
The lad is a born leader and gonna be at top of his game for next 8-10 years, Cas cant go on for ever.

They're all crucial. He's a DM and Casemiro is one of our biggest goal threats. Caicedo isnt one

He's not Xavi, he's potentially Kante in the end

 

[Ekeke]

You undervalue the importance of the no 6 position, we saw how Casemiro transformed our team last season. Caicedo is similar to buying a 21 year old Casemiro.

Casemiro helped, a new CB helped more. Casemiro's main help was going forward scoring goals, something few 6's will do and Caicedo certainly doesnt

 

[Lash]

Casemiro helped, a new CB helped more. Casemiro's main help was going forward scoring goals, something few 6's will do and Caicedo certainly doesn't

I actually think Casemiro isn't really a 6 in our system. If you look at some of the videos showing how Mount will fit in, Casemiro is right up against the back line and running into the box. It could be argued that may be how we intend to use him more as his passing isn't secure enough as the sole midfielder in that position.

 

[luke511]

Casemiro helped, a new CB helped more. Casemiro's main help was going forward scoring goals, something few 6's will do and Caicedo certainly doesnt

Caicedo’s goals per 90 across his career is 0.12, higher than Casemiro’s by the smallest margin. That’s not to say he’s a better goal scorer than Casemiro, but he is capable of scoring goals too.

 

[GoonerBear]

Think we've decided that Caceido will be too pricey, so apparently are looking at Lavia instead now.

 

[Bring on utd]

We aren’t in for Caicedo so why is this thread constantly updated?

 

[Ekeke]

Caicedo’s goals per 90 across his career is 0.12, higher than Casemiro’s by the smallest margin. That’s not to say he’s a better goal scorer than Casemiro, but he is capable of scoring goals too.

Were talking about what Casimiro did for us this season not 4 years before it

 

[Ekeke]

I actually think Casemiro isn't really a 6 in our system. If you look at some of the videos showing how Mount will fit in, Casemiro is right up against the back line and running into the box. It could be argued that may be how we intend to use him more as his passing isn't secure enough as the sole midfielder in that position.

Sure, especially if we did sign another proper Dm who would expect to start. Even more chances to go forward and score.

But of course the comparison I replied to was about Casemiro showing the worth of a player in that position based on this season. So I pointed out the obvious difference which is how much he helped our lacking attack, other than Rashford

 

[croadyman]

We aren’t in for Caicedo so why is this thread constantly updated?

God knows its pointless

 

[Halftrack]

Crazy if true. Literally giving Chelsea the money to buy a player who fits us better than the one we’re buying from them.

Isn’t the point of getting CL that you can use it as leverage to attract better players…!? Yet we’ve let Mac Allister go to Liverpool for dirt cheap while they have no CL footy, and now this.

The manager, whom you would assume has a pretty intimate insight into how he wants to play and the team to look, doesn't know what profile of player he needs?

I find it incredibly funny that people keep insisting entirely different types of players from the one we're trying to sign would suit us much better, like they'd know that.

 

[James35]

God knows its pointless

Although compared to FDJ thread last year this is much, much more likely to happen.

 

[croadyman]

Although compared to FDJ thread last year this is much, much more likely to happen.

Least we actually had reliable sources saying we were interested whereas this has nothing

 

[El-Manos]

Disappointed we are not in for him

 

[Rhyme Animal]

The manager, whom you would assume has a pretty intimate insight into how he wants to play and the team to look, doesn't know what profile of player he needs?

I find it incredibly funny that people keep insisting entirely different types of players from the one we're trying to sign would suit us much better, like they'd know that.

Yeah, I’ve posted in this thread earlier that obviously ETH knows better than me.

But, if in some mad hypothetical reality, he’d have come to me and said, ‘shall I let the club spunk 90m on Antony?’, I’d have said ‘feck no’.

And if he’d come to me and said at the beginning of the January window… ‘shall I bring in Wout Weghorst til the end of the season?’, I’d have told him to get out of my office.

And in both cases I’d have been right to do so.

Obviously ETH knows more about footy than anyone on here - but it doesn’t mean that fans can’t see when certain transfers are not well suited or overpriced, or out and out laughable.

Loads of fans thought Utd should’ve gotten Mane, for example. It was glaringly obvious to a lot of fans.

This could be another one of those.. easily.

The majority of the fanbase knew that Moyes was a fecking idiotic appointment - Fergie thought otherwise.

Football’s funny like that a lot of the time.

 

[James35]

Least we actually had reliable sources saying we were interested whereas this has nothing

I know, more of a tongue in cheek joke. I was never fully on that train mind, thank god.

 

[James35]

Yeah, I’ve posted in this thread earlier that obviously ETH knows better than me.

But, if in some mad hypothetical reality, he’d have come to me and said, ‘shall I let the club spunk 90m on Antony?’, I’d have said ‘feck no’.

And if he’d come to me and said at the beginning of the January window… ‘shall I bring in Wout Weghorst til the end of the season?’, I’d have told him to get out of my office.

And in both cases I’d have been right to do so.

Obviously ETH knows more about footy than anyone on here - but it doesn’t mean that fans can’t see when certain transfers are not well suited or overpriced, or out and out laughable.

Loads of fans thought It’d should’ve gotten Mane, for example. It was glaringly obvious to a lot of fans.

This could be another one of those.. easily.

I tend to agree with this.

 

[Halftrack]

Yeah, I’ve posted in this thread earlier that obviously ETH knows better than me.

But, if in some mad hypothetical reality, he’d have come to me and said, ‘shall I let the club spunk 90m on Antony?’, I’d have said ‘feck no’.

And if he’d come to me and said at the beginning of the January window… ‘shall I bring in Wout Weghorst til the end of the season?’, I’d have told him to get out of my office.

And in both cases I’d have been right to do so.

Obviously ETH knows more about footy than anyone on here - but it doesn’t mean that fans can’t see when certain transfers are not well suited or overpriced, or out and out laughable.

Loads of fans thought It’d should’ve gotten Mane, for example. It was glaringly obvious to a lot of fans.

This could be another one of those.. easily.

I don't see how Caicedo fits us better than Mount. Surely that would depend entirely on how the manager plans on setting up? And EtH's tendency is for one DM, a position for which we have Case. Spunking a boatload on a guy with one good season in a top league to provide competition for that one position seems like a very irresponsible use of our reportedly limited budget to me.

So as I see it, we don't actually need Caicedo right now. We do need a player like Mount.

 

[Rolaholic]

 

[WeePat]

Romano still claims Chelsea have yet to officially start negotiating with Brighton. I believe Ornstein though.

 

[Mainoldo]

Something smells dodgy. I keep forgetting Chelsea love to tell reporters information about half finished business.

 

[awop]

Why would they bid 60M after they refused Arsenal's 70 in January ? I hope they drain them for 80/90+

 

[WeePat]

Why would they bid 60M after they refused Arsenal's 70 in January ? I hope they drain them for 80/90+

Because it’s a new window and you’ve got to start the negotiations somewhere. Would you recommend bidding high as a starting point?

 

[awop]

Because it’s a new window and you’ve got to start the negotiations somewhere. Would you recommend bidding high as a starting point?

70 gets your foot in the door, 60 is wasting everyone's time, you're going to bid 70 next which will also get turned down. Adding 15/20M to a second bid just shows the first bid was ridiculous.

 

[CannonBalls]

Rice/Caicedo is costlier because of Enzo.
Every winger with two limbs is costlier because of Mudryk.
So now when Chelsea comes knocking every club wants a big payday. Now of they decide financial restraint then they have to only target players with release clause which they have started to do with recent links of Jackson/Viega.

It would be funny if Chelsea decide to now become financially disciplined and lose out on Caicedo of all players. He probably would be their best signing after Enzo irrespective of the amount they spend on him (even 100m+)

 

[croadyman]

Rice/Caicedo is costlier because of Enzo.
Every winger with two limbs is costlier because of Mudryk.
So now when Chelsea comes knocking every club wants a big payday. Now of they decide financial restraint then they have to only target players with release clause which they have started to do with recent links of Jackson/Viega.

It would be funny if Chelsea decide to now become financially disciplined and lose out on Caicedo of all players. He probably would be their best signing after Enzo irrespective of the amount they spend on him (even 100m+)

They won't lose out it's Boehly remember

 

[Rajiztar]

Rice/Caicedo is costlier because of Enzo.
Every winger with two limbs is costlier because of Mudryk.
So now when Chelsea comes knocking every club wants a big payday. Now of they decide financial restraint then they have to only target players with release clause which they have started to do with recent links of Jackson/Viega.

It would be funny if Chelsea decide to now become financially disciplined and lose out on Caicedo of all players. He probably would be their best signing after Enzo irrespective of the amount they spend on him (even 100m+)

Arsenal fans need to stop the habit of blaming others for their failure. May be no more city outcasts for you to come in cheap.


If we fail to sign caicedo it's because we value him less than what brighton feel his market value. Nothing to do with Enzo or mudryk price.

We have some youngsters brighton valued highly and wanted them especially Gallagher and Broja. That will also help us to comply ffp.

Most likely we will sign caicedo for 80- 90 mn and sell them Gallagher and broja for 50-60 mn. Will see.

 

[Suv666]

He would have been perfect for us. Shame we are chasing Mount instead

 

[WeePat]

70 gets your foot in the door, 60 is wasting everyone's time, you're going to bid 70 next which will also get turned down. Adding 15/20M to a second bid just shows the first bid was ridiculous.

That’s how it works though, no? Arsenal knew West Ham were asking for £100+ but you went in first with a bid you knew would be rejected. United for sure know £40m for Mount would get rejected immediately but it establishes a ballpark from buyer’s perspective and you can negotiate from there.

 

[WeePat]

Rice/Caicedo is costlier because of Enzo.
Every winger with two limbs is costlier because of Mudryk.
So now when Chelsea comes knocking every club wants a big payday. Now of they decide financial restraint then they have to only target players with release clause which they have started to do with recent links of Jackson/Viega.

It would be funny if Chelsea decide to now become financially disciplined and lose out on Caicedo of all players. He probably would be their best signing after Enzo irrespective of the amount they spend on him (even 100m+)

So Shakhtar using Antony as a benchmark never happened then? Arsenal fans were blaming United for Shakhtar quoting them a high price for Mudryk last year.

West Ham valued Rice at well over £100m years before Enzo ever set foot in Europe. There were just no takers until Arsenal. if anything Arsenal’s seemingly willingness to pay £100m for Rice is what is pushing Caicedo’s price up, at least according to that Brighton journo.

 

[Bebestation]

He does look good but is a bit overrated by viewers more than managers it seems. Wonder if this turns to a Pochettino and Ndombele scenario with the fanbase crying about us not signing him.

 

[Reezy]

Although we’re desperate for first team midfielders due to the expected outgoings, I have to admit that I have some serious reservations over this deal due to the prices being floated around.

I know they’re not entirely the same profile of player, but Ugarte at £50m seems better value to me, even if we did have to pay inflated wages, vs. the reported £80-90m (at least) for Caicedo. I’m sure Caicedo will be on a decent wedge himself if he comes in.

Perhaps I’m just overly cautious due to us having already been burnt by a Brighton player with 1 good season under his belt that we significantly overpaid for. Hope he proves me wrong if he does come in of course.

 

[MUFC OK]

Grow up.

Grow up United.