I'd be surprised if Pogba ever made 290k in any week whilst he played at United, based on his performances
Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea
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I'd be surprised if Pogba ever made 290k in any week whilst he played at United, based on his performances
The owners were the ones handing out those big wages. It did not change until after they brought the new directors, so not really sure how your statement holds any water. If Pogba was on £144k a week plus bonuses that was smart. Is the weekly wage your club just handed Mount structured the same?
Every contract is structured more or less same. They all get loyalty bonus for completing each year in their contract, image rights and few have individual performance bonus.
Chelsea are not doing anything new or creative, only creative part is their contract length. They will still pay most of the wages as they are not performance related but them staying at club.
Yea most players would be fairly similar about it. He strikes me as particularly impatient (or his agent is, more than likely). He is pretty young (21) and personally I think he should not try to get through this switch too quickly. I am not sure what he gains from going off to Chelsea this year. He could easily wait another year and get some more experience before his big move. Wherever he goes there will be a lot more pressure on him.
Yes he can think chelsea will not be a force any more. But anyone have little brain know what is anomaly and what is regular thing.
You can say for past five seasons finishing top 4 and winning cl may be more attractive to him rather than finishing outside top 4 four out of five in past five seasons. I would say rice made a terrible choice in that sense.
Do you have anything to support that? Perhaps Man Utd have stayed with that contract model? A quick search and there are articles about both Liverpool and Chelsea moving to a combination of a fixated wage + performance bonuses, outlining how players in different positions can earn these bonuses. They do not use specific players wage contracts, but an overall outline. There is also some warnings in the articles about the dangers of these long term contracts Chelsea is handing out. I do think the structure of new contracts are changing, not just at Chelsea, but also at other top PL clubs.
Yes he can think chelsea will not be a force any more. But anyone have little brain know what is anomaly and what is regular thing.
You can say for past five seasons finishing top 4 and winning cl may be more attractive to him rather than finishing outside top 4 four out of five in past five seasons. I would say rice made a terrible choice in that sense.
You are taking that too personal. I think most people would agree that Chelsea will be back. But I think most Chelsea supporters would also agree that they are in a state of transition right now and you are not in Europe. If Europe is important to this kid than he could stay a year with Brighton and move later. I am sure there would be an offer from a top 6 club next season.
There were few contracts leaks by football leaks and almost everyone had same structure, with few having extra individual performance bonus.
Only thing that changed is PR game and people some believing all this as some creative genius contract when it's your usual basic contract. This PR game is not even new, it's been done for years.
Based on what is available, I think the few is transitioning to the many for some clubs. It makes much more sense if you are signing players to long term contracts. It is also a selling point to the player that these long contracts provide players with stability. It benefits the club and the player. The people not benefiting are agents. They do better with players moving often. Even under these longer contracts, players that are progressing will still be sold, so agents will still get their cut.
Cool story.
He's talking about recently signed players.
Lukaku was signed during abramovich era, sterling was signed immediately after the take over.
It's has been widely reported that the players wages will be heavily incentivised.
Footballers life is not easy as regular job going individual. You simply can't wait for one more season as a footballer because anything could happen to them in any match and any particular time.
They will not pass good opportunity to earn big at present. That's footballer s life. Nothing new in it. Just look at fofana if he passed that chelsea opportunity he could have struck in Leicester City with his injury record he could never get opportunity again to earn what he is earning at chelsea now.
So why footballers made decisions sometimes look ridiculous but can't blame them for taking it. Their career time span with unpredictable future they will always take immediate betterment rather than wait and decide what's best.
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All that is very true. They have a short career span and it may feel they have no time to sit on an opportunity. I do feel players can rush in and not necessarily make the right decision and the whole agent power thing doesn't help either. Caicedo made a transfer request basically in January to force a move and I don't think he was advised very well and in the end he ended up re-signing. (This is the part that brought up the impatient comment earlier from me). He is a good player though but he will come with a lot of expectations and still rather limited playing time at the top level. He is certainly not the first to go this route. Looks to be a top talent though. I actually wanted him ahead of Rice.
But every team does this, to some extent. I imagine even Lukaku and Sterling's contracts were based around a number of bonuses and objectives to reach the max amount.
It's nothing new, just PR from the new owners to make it sound like they know what they're doing compared to the previous regime. Players aren't just going to start flocking to Chelsea if they're only offering contracts that are heavily incentivised now, that's not how it works.
It does not benefit the player. Look at Kane as a recent example, not this year but a couple of years ago when City were in for him. He had signed a 6 year contract and couldn't leave even when he wanted to.
Imagine a player on a 7-8 year contract. That is essentially committing your prime to a single club. Not all players might want that, even if they might think so now, 3 years down the line they could wanna move.
In fact I think with the crazy transfer fees, shorter contracts might become the norm which would give players more of a say in their career path. Right now there are so many examples of players just being priced out of moves.
There is absolutely no way that clubs will be spending big and agreeing to shorter contracts. That’s from both a FFP and accounting perspective but also the clubs will be doing everything that can to stop players walking for free.
Kane yes has recently been denied the opportunity to move but that’s as much down to the way Levy operates and Kanes reluctance to force the issue. Kane for instance could have left on a Webster or put in a transfer request but he didn’t but he has been his worse enemy in that he signed a five and half year deal in 2015, a fresh six year deal in 2106 and the last biggie was was in 2018 again a six year deal.
Players aren’t forced to sign 5, 6, 7 or whatever contracts they sign them because they or their representatives are convinced and yes three years down the line they might want a move but that’s the same if they signed a 6 year deal.
Cheeky mofo. We’ve sold players to Arsenal, City, United etc. Very amicable and respectful. This is the first time a manager has directly spoken about one of our players. Poch was asked about Caicedo and he brushed it off with the usual ‘can’t speak about other club’s players’.
It’s a weird one. Obviously staff aren’t openly talking about him; but how much of the media “links” are the clubs feeding stuff to get the topic talked about and get a response from him.
I’m not a fan of United’s use of media mouth pieces at the best of times, and during transfer windows it’s farcical. Hard to tell the line of what is media using our name for clicks, and what is the club pushing names and narratives.
I’m a fan of De Zerbi but I don’t like this response, but I can see why he’d be annoyed when every single day there’s multiple National media outlets constantly talking about Caicedo leaving and Chelsea gathering funds etc.
“Unlike Chelsea”
They bought gilmour from you and now they want colwill. They will want to deal with Chelsea again in the future he has to be mindful of that. You lot always have young players to sell and it fits the Brighton model. He has to be smart.
Love the little dig.
Meh, Dortmund-esq smalltime dig.
I don’t mind the other silly digs about European football. Charge it to the game. It is what it is. I do think there’s a concerted effort from Brighton’s side to unsettle Colwill though. De Zerbi said this on the back of Brighton’s mouthpiece Naylor ‘reporting’ yesterday that Colwill is desperate to return to Brighton.
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That's funny. These clubs are perceived as sellers and fodder for bigger clubs to do as they please with - they have every right to lash out and get things done on their terms or not at all.
The exact opposite of @Cheimoon
I'm indeed a guy, but it looks like I gave Terry just one like - I'll take the credit though! (As long as you're not making crap posts.He did the same for me. What a guy!
(Hoping Cheimoon is actually a guy, otherwise I might be getting relegated again
)Seems like Brighton will only talk if Chelsea agree to put Colwill on the table, which we have refused to do, or pay £100M.
It’s time to walk away I think. Let him stay. Let’s find someone else.
It’s time to walk away I think. Let him stay. Let’s find someone else.
Where does he go if Chelsea pull out? Liverpool if they get some good money for Fabinho?
Well, it's not directly comparable since Colwill was loaned out to Brighton last season. That makes it less cheeky or weird to comment on it even though he is contracted to Chelsea.
Brighton are really tough to deal with. I'm glad its not Arsenal trying to pry him away.
I think Chelsea at least need a credible alternative target. If that materializes and truly seems close then I can see Brighton relenting and coming to some kind of compromise.
Nobody else is paying 100m for Caicedo. If City were interested they would have gotten involved by now, United don't have the money, Arsenal don't have the money, Liverpool say they aren't interested at those numbers, Real isn't going to buy another expensive midfielder, Barca is broke, PSG has already remade their midfield in the last few years, Bayern are saving their money for Kane and it isn't their style to spend that much on a defensive midfielder anyway.
Brighton are well within their rights to Demand whatever they want for Caicedo but I believe they are overplaying their hand a bit by being so stubborn about £100M figure if that's true or wanting Colwill as part of the Deal .
I feel like Rice going for 105mill fecked up the market. Caicedo is a much better player so Brighton are rightly holding out. Have a feeling Caicedo will kick up a fuss and get sold though
What's more annoying is that his government name has an "i" in the middle, but his street name has an "e".
Is this holdout going to be the thing that triggers future Brighton signings (or renewing players with 1st tier aspirations) suddenly demanding release clauses in their contracts?
Yeah.. was definitely Rice and not Chelsea paying £107m for Enzo Fernandez after half a season at Benfica
To be fair it feels like you’re falling for Chelsea spin. There’s a difference between asking for 100m and being unreasonable and bidding 70m then blaming Brighton when it doesn’t get accepted.
What do you think is happening here? Brighton’s own mouthpiece has repeatedly said they’re using Rice’s valuation as a benchmark. If a deal could be done at £90M, I think he would have been at Chelsea already.
I don’t blame them for trying to stick to that £100M valuation and I’m sure they don’t mind keeping Caicedo if Chelsea walk away. I think Chelsea would be right to walk away though.
Did you just call £70m unreasonable? Are you for real? £70 fecking million is more than reasonable for a defensive midfielder.
I think the position is absolutely we want Colwill (who is not for sale, so that’s a no-go), or £100m - which Chelsea aren’t willing to pay. Therefore he stays and Brighton fans rejoice - the player is next level and basically irreplaceable like-for-like.
From the club’s perspective, any of those three outcomes is a win. Speculation about future signings and agents demands and so forth is just that - speculation. The club won’t be concerned. The fact is if a player does well enough and matches the valuation we’ll sell, then invest in the next 3-4. It’s our model and the only way to be sustainable.
In the last few weeks alone we’ve signed a kid from Basingstoke, another from Ireland, one from Romania. All for under £4m. When the fee comes for Caicedo he’ll go, simple as. If there’s nobody buying, then he will run our midfield.
From the club’s perspective, any of those three outcomes is a win. Speculation about future signings and agents demands and so forth is just that - speculation. The club won’t be concerned. The fact is if a player does well enough and matches the valuation we’ll sell, then invest in the next 3-4. It’s our model and the only way to be sustainable.
In the last few weeks alone we’ve signed a kid from Basingstoke, another from Ireland, one from Romania. All for under £4m. When the fee comes for Caicedo he’ll go, simple as. If there’s nobody buying, then he will run our midfield.
Chelsea looking for 50m for Gallagher then 100m for Caicedo seems more than fair. I think he will go for 100m at the very least. I won't be surprised if it's a bit more than that in Enzo/Rice category.
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