Moises Caicedo | Chelsea agree £115M fee | signed for Chelsea

Status
Not open for further replies.
Terry Chango said:
For all the money they have spent that potential starting line up is very underwhelming.
Click to expand...
Yeah, the big advantage of such historic spending was that you were buying superstars. There’s a Perez quote that says the bigger signings have the lesser risk because big names will always be wanted elsewhere.
Fofana is the third most expansive CB in history and he was bought in the back of so many knee injuries at a young age. Enzo bought from 6 months of European football and it just goes in and on. It’s not just one high risk but you’re talking 4/5 here and then they buy a lot of youngsters that are entering an environment that doesn’t allow youngsters to shine. It took a transfer ban for their last batch of youngsters to break through and it’ll take that again before any of these are allowed to take the step up
 
redshaw said:
Probably get done for around £90m. Chelsea have that money to spend and will do so if they hold out.
Click to expand...

90 sounds about right in today's crazy market. Chelsea are known now to overpay for their targets and tbh nothing is stopping Brighton from selling next year. They are in Europe...Chelsea is not. I am sure Caicedo would wait a year. I see Brighton holding most of the chips. More so compared to WH in their deal with us and they took us to the cleaners.
 
bosnian_red said:
I was the worst newbie scout because I didn't give anyone any likes :lol:

My guess is they are top 5 which is a CL spot. Depends on how Nkunku and Jackson do really. They need goals, and Mudryk is meh, Madueke is young and not sure he can provide too big there, not sure if they keep CHO so really it's just on Nkunku and Jackson. If they hit, they could get as high as 3rd even IMO. A big advantage is not being in any European competition. Year after year you see clubs without fixture congestion hit a level of consistency that isn't possible for top clubs. Clubs that actually have good players and no congestion especially see a disproportionate boost. They'll get a new manager bounce too, and while I don't love Poch, he is a decent coach. They'll be good and have hope with him for a couple of years before they reach the point where they realize he can't get them over the line to take the last step. Last season for them is as easy to ignore as 21/22 was for United, everyone knows that wasn't the real level, it was a spiraling situation ending with an interim manager where half the squad knew they'd be leaving.

NO Caicedo and they'll flop with no balance. Caicedo is capable of balancing them though and their front 4 will likely look electric at times but be inconsistent.
Click to expand...

The exact opposite of @Cheimoon :lol: I'm Sorry Chiemoon as you did pretty much promote me by yourself towards the end. Don't bite the hand that feeds you right...

As high a top 3 you reckon with no European football this season. I guess with no midweek fixtures, a little luck and players finding form and realising potential it's possible as you say. If Poch secured third he will have done a great job IMO. I genuinely don't know what to expect from them. I feel like this window has again been a little unsettling for them and they've lost a couple of players they haven't replaced in terms of like for like quality.

Time will tell and we can only hope it goes tit's up once again :D
 
Oranges038 said:
Gentlemans agreement....

They don't respect the contracts they sign by looking for an out at the first chance. Then they expected a supposed gentlemans agreement to be honoured.
Click to expand...

The agreement was mentioned when he signed and even then it was very much that he would be allowed to leave in the summer if Brighton got a fee that met their valuation. It is not Brighton's problem if his agents and Chelsea have a different view of what a fair offer is, the seller sets the price and Arsenal set the market by paying 105M for an inferior player.
 
cyberman said:
Yeah, the big advantage of such historic spending was that you were buying superstars. There’s a Perez quote that says the bigger signings have the lesser risk because big names will always be wanted elsewhere.
Fofana is the third most expansive CB in history and he was bought in the back of so many knee injuries at a young age. Enzo bought from 6 months of European football and it just goes in and on. It’s not just one high risk but you’re talking 4/5 here and then they buy a lot of youngsters that are entering an environment that doesn’t allow youngsters to shine. It took a transfer ban for their last batch of youngsters to break through and it’ll take that again before any of these are allowed to take the step up
Click to expand...

The transfer ban for 4 seasons ago. We've integrated Chalobah, Gallagher, now Hall on the cusp too in each of the last 3 seasons. Colwill next season, maybe Broja. Mount, James etc and their group was pure convenience because of the ban but we've kept it up every season since then, so forgive me but I'm calling BS on the bolded.
 
cyberman said:
Yeah, the big advantage of such historic spending was that you were buying superstars. There’s a Perez quote that says the bigger signings have the lesser risk because big names will always be wanted elsewhere.
Fofana is the third most expansive CB in history and he was bought in the back of so many knee injuries at a young age. Enzo bought from 6 months of European football and it just goes in and on. It’s not just one high risk but you’re talking 4/5 here and then they buy a lot of youngsters that are entering an environment that doesn’t allow youngsters to shine. It took a transfer ban for their last batch of youngsters to break through and it’ll take that again before any of these are allowed to take the step up
Click to expand...

kind of makes sense that from Perez.

I didn’t know Fofana had issues with injuries and Chelsea still made him the 3rd most expensive centre back and at the time I wanted United to move for him.

The strategy is risky as you say and the probability of all 4/5 of these type of signings being successes is far from guaranteed.

Really strange start to TB’s ownership at Chelsea and I would have thought they would have learnt lessons from previous two windows but it feels a little erratic once again.
 
Gandalf said:
The agreement was mentioned when he signed and even then it was very much that he would be allowed to leave in the summer if Brighton got a fee that met their valuation. It is not Brighton's problem if his agents and Chelsea have a different view of what a fair offer is, the seller sets the price and Arsenal set the market by paying 105M for an inferior player.
Click to expand...

Yeah, maybe just put in a realistic release clause instead of relying on a gentlemans agreement when there's 10s of millions on the line. No club is going to honour such a bs agreement when the player starts making noises about wanting to leave.
 
Gandalf said:
The agreement was mentioned when he signed and even then it was very much that he would be allowed to leave in the summer if Brighton got a fee that met their valuation. It is not Brighton's problem if his agents and Chelsea have a different view of what a fair offer is, the seller sets the price and Arsenal set the market by paying 105M for an inferior player.
Click to expand...

It's true that Brighton are within their rights to set the valuation they want but if you slap 100M on a player's head after promising him they won't stand in his way if a reasonable offer comes in and then across two windows, no team has come close to meeting that valuation, it could perhaps be seen as reneging on their promise and standing in his way. Arsenal and Chelsea clearly have no problems spending big money but neither club has come anywhere near that valuation across two windows. So, we'll see but my feeling is Brighton will eventually come down and meet us halfway.
 
WeePat said:
It's true that Brighton are within their rights to set the valuation they want but if you slap 100M on a player's head after promising him they won't stand in his way if a reasonable offer comes in and then across two windows, no team has come close to meeting that valuation, it could perhaps be seen as reneging on their promise and standing in his way. Arsenal and Chelsea clearly have no problems spending big money but neither club has come anywhere near that valuation across two windows. So, we'll see but my feeling is Brighton will eventually come down and meet us halfway.
Click to expand...

But you repeatedly use the term “reasonable“ offer. What you - or Chelsea - find “reasonable” Brighton might not. They might find it very unreasonable. If Brighton value the player at £100m, then an offer of £60m, followed by one of £70m is very UNreasonable indeed.
 
I think the clubs will meet in the middle around the 80-90m range eventually. Everybody wants a sale here.

But I could see it dragging on until August, maybe even the second half of the month. Brighton don't have very strong incentive to budge on price anytime soon in order to get it done quickly, and Chelsea don't really have a credible walkaway alternative.
 
UTAretro said:
But you repeatedly use the term “reasonable“ offer. What you - or Chelsea - find “reasonable” Brighton might not. They might find it very unreasonable. If Brighton value the player at £100m, then an offer of £60m, followed by one of £70m is very UNreasonable indeed.
Click to expand...

Well yeah, obviously that's true and I've said as much several times in here. But across two windows two clubs, who like to splash the cash, have been very interested in Caicedo and neither club have come anywhere near that 100M valuation. Arsenal were happy to pay that for Rice but not for Caicedo. Chelsea were happy to pay that for Enzo but seemingly not for Caicedo. We'll see, but my feeling is Brighton might have overplayed their hand a little and will eventually agree to some kind of 80M +10M package.
 
Brighton should 100% hold out for £100 million. They know how desperate Chelsea are for him and they know they'll get that fee next summer if he stays, I'm sure they'd be over the moon to have him for another season.
 
Players of his quality deserve to play in the Champions League. Ah well, if he moves to Chelsea, here’s hoping for many years of him not doing that.
 
Get the feeling this kid will play for just about anybody if it means he will get extra money and exposure. Chelsea will come back eventually with 90 mil and there will be an agreement. Nobody else will bid that much...same situation with Declan Rice. Nobody else would have paid a 100+.
 
Changeisgood said:
Get the feeling this kid will play for just about anybody if it means he will get extra money and exposure. Chelsea will come back eventually with 90 mil and there will be an agreement. Nobody else will bid that much...same situation with Declan Rice. Nobody else would have paid a 100+.
Click to expand...

I could see this getting closed between 80-90m unless one more team decides to throw their hat in. In which case Brighton will get the 100m+ they want just like Rice transfer.
 
Judas said:
No idea if he's a Chelsea fan but all his "sources" are Chelsea linked, it's the only insight he has.
Click to expand...

Ben was spoon fed info on the Chelsea buy from Boehly. Ben works for CBS sports and Boehly knows him from the Dodgers and Lakers coverage. When Ben has Chelsea info, it is pretty good assumption he is still getting it straight from Boehly.
 
CannonBalls said:
I could see this getting closed between 80-90m unless one more team decides to throw their hat in. In which case Brighton will get the 100m+ they want just like Rice transfer.
Click to expand...
No factual basis to only £100 m., rumours say much more required.
 
CannonBalls said:
I could see this getting closed between 80-90m unless one more team decides to throw their hat in. In which case Brighton will get the 100m+ they want just like Rice transfer.
Click to expand...

Enzo Fernandez went for 107m quid from the bloody Portuguese league. I absolutely understand that Brighton want at least 100 for a far more proven PL player, especially when selling to a club who trailed them by 6 league places last season.

Having just signed a new deal only 4 months ago, I don’t think 80m gives Brighton any real incentive to sell, certainly not after already losing Mac Allister this Summer, so if he goes, it’ll be Rice money at least.
 
Changeisgood said:
Get the feeling this kid will play for just about anybody if it means he will get extra money and exposure. Chelsea will come back eventually with 90 mil and there will be an agreement. Nobody else will bid that much...same situation with Declan Rice. Nobody else would have paid a 100+.
Click to expand...
Why?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
Why?
Click to expand...


He is anxious to sign deals and get his wage up. He would have gone during the last transfer period to us had he gotten his way, and he even threatened to force a move but they offered him some temporary bump to placate him. Bigger wages...i.e bigger club in that order. I don't necessarily blame him, but I don't think he cares where he goes. If it is about European football why does he not say that he will stay at Brighton for another year instead of looking to go to Chelsea?
 
Changeisgood said:
He is anxious to sign deals and get his wage up. He would have gone during the last transfer period to us had he gotten his way, and he even threatened to force a move but they offered him some temporary bump to placate him. Bigger wages...i.e bigger club in that order. I don't necessarily blame him, but I don't think he cares where he goes. If it is about European football why does he not say that he will stay at Brighton for another year instead of looking to go to Chelsea?
Click to expand...

He likes the role he will play? He has always maintained that Kante is his favorite player and models his game after him. He would be in a double pivot with Enzo. Sure he wants a better contract, but by now he knows he will sign a long contract that has a low base salary with a lot of performance bonuses if he signs with Chelsea. Not exactly a huge initial windfall on money. He does see an opportunity to jump to a big club, as he did in January.
 
Changeisgood said:
He is anxious to sign deals and get his wage up. He would have gone during the last transfer period to us had he gotten his way, and he even threatened to force a move but they offered him some temporary bump to placate him. Bigger wages...i.e bigger club in that order. I don't necessarily blame him, but I don't think he cares where he goes. If it is about European football why does he not say that he will stay at Brighton for another year instead of looking to go to Chelsea?
Click to expand...

You can say this about just about any player though. I’m sure Caicedo would consider his options if more than one club were bidding for him. You think Rice would be at Arsenal if you didn’t offer him obscene wages? You think he wouldn’t choose another club if they paid what West Ham wanted and offered an even bigger salary?
 
Zaphod2319 said:
He likes the role he will play? He has always maintained that Kante is his favorite player and models his game after him. He would be in a double pivot with Enzo. Sure he wants a better contract, but by now he knows he will sign a long contract that has a low base salary with a lot of performance bonuses if he signs with Chelsea. Not exactly a huge initial windfall on money. He does see an opportunity to jump to a big club, as he did in January.
Click to expand...

Chelsea fans keep deluding themselves with how they pay low base wages and heavily incentivised contracts.

PR works amazingly well
 
roonster09 said:
Chelsea fans keep deluding themselves with how they pay low base wages and heavily incentivised contracts.

PR works amazingly well
Click to expand...

Let Fabrizio, Orney, and Matt Law know they are deluding themselves too.
 
cyberman said:
It took a transfer ban for their last batch of youngsters to break through and it’ll take that again before any of these are allowed to take the step up
Click to expand...
Apart from Christensen two years before the ban, Hudson-Odoi the year before, Chalobah two years after, Gallagher last year and almost certainly Colwill this (possibly Hall too) you're absolutely spot on.
 
Dancfc said:
Apart from Christensen two years before the ban, Hudson-Odoi the year before, Chalobah two years after, Gallagher last year and almost certainly Colwill this (possibly Hall too) you're absolutely spot on.
Click to expand...

Loftus-Cheek had the best season of his career in 18-19 under Sarri too until the ACL torpedoed his career.
 
Zaphod2319 said:
Let Fabrizio, Orney, and Matt Law know they are deluding themselves too.
Click to expand...

Low base wages? Which players exactly are you talking about?

Lukaku and Sterling are both supposed to be on £325k pw. Fernandez only joined last season and is on something close to that, probably £315/320k PW.

If Caicedo joins for a near £100m fee he'll probably want something closer to that. Maybe not exactly, but he just signed a new contract with Brighton and is one of their best paid players now.

The whole long contract thing is stupid too, unless it guarantees a regular wage rise year on year. Otherwise it would make more sense as a player to sign a regular 4/5 year contract, then push for a big bump to extend after a few years.
 
WeePat said:
Loftus-Cheek had the best season of his career in 18-19 under Sarri too until the ACL torpedoed his career.
Click to expand...
True but I was sticking to the few years either side of the ban and Loftus was a mid 10s promotion.

There was a period where we really did have a bad record with youth development into the first team but that narrative is years out of date, i highly doubt many clubs (especially ones with the expectations of ours) have had atleast one academy player integrated into the first team squad in all bar one of the last 7 years.

EDIT: I have even forgot about Broja who was starting to get some really significant minutes before his injury.
 
Crimson King said:
Low base wages? Which players exactly are you talking about?

Lukaku and Sterling are both supposed to be on £325k pw. Fernandez only joined last season and is on something close to that, probably £315/320k PW.

If Caicedo joins for a near £100m fee he'll probably want something closer to that. Maybe not exactly, but he just signed a new contract with Brighton and is one of their best paid players now.

The whole long contract thing is stupid too, unless it guarantees a regular wage rise year on year. Otherwise it would make more sense as a player to sign a regular 4/5 year contract, then push for a big bump to extend after a few years.
Click to expand...

Lukaku wages were done by Marina. Sterling was to appease Tuchel and those wages are ridiculous. Koulabaly got a similar deal with Boehly acting as director. Since the new directors were put in place the wage structure is completely different. Enzo is on £180k per week before performance bonuses. Mudryk is on £150k per week before bonuses. Mount wanted Sterling money. Reece James was smart to take his deal with Boehly handing out big contracts.
 
Zaphod2319 said:
Lukaku wages were done by Marina. Sterling was to appease Tuchel and those wages are ridiculous. Koulabaly got a similar deal with Boehly acting as director. Since the new directors were put in place the wage structure is completely different. Enzo is on £180k per week before performance bonuses. Mudryk is on £150k per week before bonuses. Mount wanted Sterling money. Reece James was smart to take his deal with Boehly handing out big contracts.
Click to expand...

I'm not sure where you're getting your figures from, but it's likely they'll be reported differently everywhere, so they're probably as good as anyone else's guess. I'm sure a lot of those wages are the top end if they hit all the bonuses, but unless you're the player or you work in Chelsea's payroll it's hard to know exactly what the split is.

Personally, I'm willing to accept that Enzo doesn't make a base £315k per week, but only if oppo fans stop saying shit like Sancho is paid £300k+ per week, even when he doesn't touch a ball.
 
Zaphod2319 said:
He likes the role he will play? He has always maintained that Kante is his favorite player and models his game after him. He would be in a double pivot with Enzo. Sure he wants a better contract, but by now he knows he will sign a long contract that has a low base salary with a lot of performance bonuses if he signs with Chelsea. Not exactly a huge initial windfall on money. He does see an opportunity to jump to a big club, as he did in January.
Click to expand...

Can't be looking as attractive a move now that Ampadu has gone, he will have to carry Enzo.
 
Crimson King said:
I'm not sure where you're getting your figures from, but it's likely they'll be reported differently everywhere, so they're probably as good as anyone else's guess. I'm sure a lot of those wages are the top end if they hit all the bonuses, but unless you're the player or you work in Chelsea's payroll it's hard to know exactly what the split is.

Personally, I'm willing to accept that Enzo doesn't make a base £315k per week, but only if oppo fans stop saying shit like Sancho is paid £300k+ per week, even when he doesn't touch a ball.
Click to expand...

There are many who get these wages wrong, they think only their clubs do base wage + bonus wages and at ManUtd players get their total wages irrespective of what happens.

Pogba was on 144k base wage but his total wage was 290k, i didn't see anyone saying Pogba was on 290k per week.

Few Chelsea fans are desperate to paint their owners as some sort of geniuses.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.