Chelsea paid 107m for Enzo. 89m (with add ons) for Mudryk
Caicedo wont go cheap. Brighton don't need the money. They'll hold out.
Caicedo wont go cheap. Brighton don't need the money. They'll hold out.
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I think he’ll go for around £100m
That would be very annoying. With all due respect, I hope we find an agreement for Caicedo and then block your number for good
I never want to be interested in a Brighton player ever again.
We are getting into that territory where Chelsea pays exactly what Brighton wants.
Chelsea are in a bad position, they really must get this deal done.
Chelsea are in a bad position, they really must get this deal done.
You should go one step further and really rub it into Chelsea by selling him to us for, say £50m
how has FFP become an issue for Chelsea given how much they spent last year and now another 100m to get Caicedo?
Love it from Brighton. Also shows the futile nature of clubs, including us, trying to negotiate. Pay up or move on to something you can afford. Don’t waste time.
I think we should bid for him, 15 million transfer fee with 85 million in adds on. Brighton get what they want, and Casemiro gets the help he needs in mid. 60 million of the add on would be if we win the treble, and the other 25 mill is if he is the PL top goalscorer
Not an expert but it appears to be a combination of two things helping them with FFP right now.
1. Boehly did a bunch of these deals on 8 year contracts and amoritized them for the full length so despite the huge outlay it is spread over the best part of a decade for accounting purposes. Notable that it seems that UEFA stepped in once this loophole was discovered and going forward the max length for amoritization is 5 years but Chelsea don't care as it is not retroactive.
2. There is another FFP clause which allows clubs following a change of ownership to invest a certain amount over the FFP threshold, presumably to allow owners taking over distressed clubs to make them viable again. Chelsea took full advantage of this as you would expect because honestly we are all dreaming of doing the same if Avram and Joel feck off.
Were people okay with us spending 100m on this guy?
Brighton held out for the full amount for Cucurella. They are no mugs.
Brighton held out for the full amount for Cucurella. They are no mugs.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66330292 Half price cheapsters.
He's better than Rice so £105 million minimum.
If I was Pochettino, I would just get lavia and wait it out till January to see how the squad is doing. Moreover inquire about Tchoumeni. Tchoumeni is a player that is worth that much, while Caceido is good but his valuation is appropriate at £80m, not £100m. Santos and lavia could at least make his side crawl to a champion league place If lavia doesn't get injured.
If Caceido is having another impactful season, then it would make sense to spend £100m on him.
If Caceido is having another impactful season, then it would make sense to spend £100m on him.
Its a high fee. Its a we desperately need a midfielder and this guy ticks every single box we need and there aren't any particularly good alternatives price. I think 80m is a fairer fee but Brighton have no reason to be fair.
I'd pay it i was chelsea to be honest. I really wouldn't fancy expecting a lot of young, injury prone cb's in front of Kepa to be a reliable defence with the void that is Chelsea's current midfield to protect them. You wouldn't expect that many goals from them either so I think a midfielder like Caicedo will really have a drastic impact on the success of their season. Realistically they should be targetting a much more experienced, established player in my opinion because they're lacking them at the moment but I cant think of a player that fits that bill. Their entire season and squad is a bit of a gamble so why stop now i guess
Yeah, this. Brighton know they have all the leverage here.
Chelsea have built a side with two FBs who like to get forward, a 10 that is really a second striker, and a 106m CM that wants to play higher up the pitch and get close to the box. If you're going to have a prayer of balancing that side, you need a monster DM who wins every duel and can cover ground like crazy.
Caicedo is the perfect player for that role and there's really no good second option. It would be insane to trust Lavia - a talented but raw 19-year-old whose main first team experience is in a much less expansive Southampton side with lots of support around him - and the same for a young player completely new to the league like Thuram.
Honestly I have a feeling it would take a bit more than that aswell. Rice/Enzo category 105m all in although more add-ons as compared to Rice.
Declan Rice was the captain of his club with 200 caps and just won a European trophy. Caicedo has played 34 PL games and has helped a small club achieve a flash in the pan success in an abnormal season. Not quite sure how that equates to the same transfer value.
So what you’re saying is, don’t negotiate, just ask what price they want and pay whatever figure they throw out there.
It'll be funny to see Chelsea hijack the Lavia deal.
I think Chelsea will walk away well before it gets to that. This is the 4th bid already. I think they’ll put a 5th and final offer on the table of around £90M and then walk away if Brighton still refuse to play ball.
If Brighton rejects £80 million offer for Caicedo Chelsea have to walk away. Either call their bluff or buy someone else.
It’s honestly fecking mental that an 80m bid isn’t enough to get this player, with his whole 12 months of PL experience. Transfer fees have gone mental. He’s good, but he’s not THAT good. The fact it’s going to take at least 90m to pry him away is just madness. If I was Chelsea, I’d be shopping elsewhere. Veiga and Amrabat can be had for a combined cost of 60m, tops.
At some point these fees become so unsustainable - can’t believe that hasn’t happened already - that big clubs are going to have to start rivalling the smaller clubs in recruiting less developed players who have good data sets. I mean, Caicedo was nobody 18 months ago, and cost 4m. Now he’s going for 90m plus? For a DM. How are bigger clubs going to build out a squad for less than a billion pounds? It’s nuts.
At 90m plus, I’m either renting a player that has a track record proven over a sustained period of time (3 seasons plus), or a talent with a skill set so prodigious that they are virtually irreplaceable in the market. That latter criteria is almost always reserved for attacking players, or midfielders with attacking credentials. In short you can call that an X factor.
There are too many players like Ndidi, who was being touted as a 70m player based off one good season, who couldn’t sustain it long term and now are worth feck all. Caicedo, while being very very good last season, still represents a risk to some degree. You’re banking on him not only being able to sustain that form but also improve on it. I understand why they want him, his skill set and performances have been excellent, but 90m is only a reflection of Brighton not wanting to sell and Chelsea being desperate for midfielders. It doesn’t have much logic grounding. Then again, most transfers don’t. Just look at 85m for Antony. We’ve bought on potential, and while unlike others here I think we have to give him time - and I am willing to be patient to see how he develops - we only need to do so because we backed ourselves into a corner by paying such an inflated fee for a player who has a skill set that I think could be replicated elsewhere at a lower cost. It’s a calculated gamble that may blow up in our faces.
Chelsea could, and should, have moved for Mac Allister at 35m early on and paired him with his international team mate Enzo. This getting a familiar with pre-existing chemistry and a longer proven track record, at a much longer cost. Not like for like, but it would have made more sense than this debacle imo. They also could’ve gotten Veiga for another 34m, had two good players and 20m still in the bank.
At some point these fees become so unsustainable - can’t believe that hasn’t happened already - that big clubs are going to have to start rivalling the smaller clubs in recruiting less developed players who have good data sets. I mean, Caicedo was nobody 18 months ago, and cost 4m. Now he’s going for 90m plus? For a DM. How are bigger clubs going to build out a squad for less than a billion pounds? It’s nuts.
At 90m plus, I’m either renting a player that has a track record proven over a sustained period of time (3 seasons plus), or a talent with a skill set so prodigious that they are virtually irreplaceable in the market. That latter criteria is almost always reserved for attacking players, or midfielders with attacking credentials. In short you can call that an X factor.
There are too many players like Ndidi, who was being touted as a 70m player based off one good season, who couldn’t sustain it long term and now are worth feck all. Caicedo, while being very very good last season, still represents a risk to some degree. You’re banking on him not only being able to sustain that form but also improve on it. I understand why they want him, his skill set and performances have been excellent, but 90m is only a reflection of Brighton not wanting to sell and Chelsea being desperate for midfielders. It doesn’t have much logic grounding. Then again, most transfers don’t. Just look at 85m for Antony. We’ve bought on potential, and while unlike others here I think we have to give him time - and I am willing to be patient to see how he develops - we only need to do so because we backed ourselves into a corner by paying such an inflated fee for a player who has a skill set that I think could be replicated elsewhere at a lower cost. It’s a calculated gamble that may blow up in our faces.
Chelsea could, and should, have moved for Mac Allister at 35m early on and paired him with his international team mate Enzo. This getting a familiar with pre-existing chemistry and a longer proven track record, at a much longer cost. Not like for like, but it would have made more sense than this debacle imo. They also could’ve gotten Veiga for another 34m, had two good players and 20m still in the bank.
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Makes sense as Caicedo was as good as Rice last season and yet has more room for improvement
Honestly Caicedo would instantly be the best signing the club has made despite paying close to 700m on other players in a past year or so. Although a different player I think his ceiling is higher than Enzo overall. He is a player you have to pay up much like how we did with Rice. Ridiculous money but the player just fits.
And i don't just understand how the club started with 60m as their first bid when 70m was turned down in Jan. I understand negotiation is a thing but Brighton generally does not fcuk around and they don't need the money.
By the way his new agents are clueless so in case you get screwed here it's mostly because of them.
If they're prepared to pay what Brighton want then they have a chance.Then Caicedo to Liverpool?
This same Chelsea paid 106m for Enzo and 89m for Mudryk.
The richest clubs will be able to build out the best squads... like it has always been. The best squad used to cost 1m, then 10m, then 100m and in the future it might be a billion.
£62m. There's a ton of addons which could mean we pay more but unless any of them were "finish 12" or "barely play", we didn't pay 89 million.
As the buying club you don’t benchmark your fees against other crazy transfers. Brighton are fully entitled to ask this, that wasn’t my point, but Chelsea should walk away if they are being told “hey United lost their marbles and paid 80m for Maguire, we want you to pay 90m for a DM with only one season of demonstrable performance at the highest level”. The onus is on the buying club. So yes, it’s mental, because the Maguire fee was also mental.
I’m not sure you’ve ever watched Enzo Fernandez if you think Caicedo has a higher ceiling. Enzo can do things on the ball that Caicedo can only dream of doing. He’s got the talent to become one of the best playmaking midfielders in the world.
Who himself isn’t worth 105m. So remains mental. Also Caicedo has 12 months experience at the top level, Rice has what? 5+ years as a first team regular on the PL, plus considerable international experience in high quality and high pressure tournaments, including a World Cup semi and euros final.
You might think he’s as good as Rice, which is fine, but he’s definitely not worth the same from a logical point of view. He only becomes worth the same because value is ultimately determined by what someone is willing to pay.
Must be getting to the point where Brighton are risking seriously pissing off Caicedo.
It's clear he wants to move onto to a bigger club, if they force him to stay another year and he's discontented it's going to show in his performances.
It's clear he wants to move onto to a bigger club, if they force him to stay another year and he's discontented it's going to show in his performances.
It’s not mental no.
Enzo (how much PL experience did he have?) and Rice have shown the cost of top DM’s.
That's what happens in the end anyway.
These prices continue to get more ridiculous by the day and I suppose it will carry on as long as clubs keep paying them.
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