Mo Salah

Adam-Utd said:
I think he's he's obviously very good, but he's also insanely lucky.

I don't know if he's got that aura that scares defenders, but I mean watford gave him 0 respect. They left him insolated 1v1 with a slow CB, then he proceeded to defend him absolutely awfully. Salah is good enough that he will score no problem against idiots like that.

He also has that luck though of the ball falling to him in just the right place, perhaps it's just his natural movement that gets him there.

If you mark him tightly and don't give him space though you can shut him down fairly well (see young)

People saying he's on Messi's level are jokers though. The 3 of Mane/Firmino/Salah has great balance and all work really well together.
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Ah 'luck', the Caf's favorite word sometimes it seems when the rivals are doing well.

He's insanely good this season, makes thing happen and his overall game is excellent. The pass he gave yesterday for a goal was astounding. If it was that easy or that lucky someone else would have replicated stats like his before. The only other person who did that was Ronaldo, an ATG of the game. Or Henry, fourteen years ago. Kane is excellent as well but I'd have Salah all day long.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I think he's he's obviously very good, but he's also insanely lucky.

I don't know if he's got that aura that scares defenders, but I mean watford gave him 0 respect. They left him insolated 1v1 with a slow CB, then he proceeded to defend him absolutely awfully. Salah is good enough that he will score no problem against idiots like that.

He also has that luck though of the ball falling to him in just the right place, perhaps it's just his natural movement that gets him there.

If you mark him tightly and don't give him space though you can shut him down fairly well (see young)

People saying he's on Messi's level are jokers though. The 3 of Mane/Firmino/Salah has great balance and all work really well together.
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Seems like they gave him plenty of respect and marked him tightly, to be fair.
 
gibers said:
I wouldn't

Lampard's strenght was getting into the ball late which isn't what City's MF is about tbh.

KDb has a much higher football IQ, better defensivley, better passer, better crosser, better at corners, free kicks.

The only area Lampard is better than him skill set wise are penalties and finishing.

Not a slight on the man though. He was a fantastic player.
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I love how easily we forget how good legends of the PL were. Lampard is the greatest goal scoring midfielder in PL history & 4th highest assister yet the only thing he's better at KDB at is penalties and finishing?? Please.
 
Pink Moon said:
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Seems like they gave him plenty of respect and marked him tightly, to be fair.
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I guess you didn't watch the match, fair enough. That situation only happened as he twisted and turned 2/3 times before shooting.

Watford played a 3-5-2 and left their 3 defenders against 3 attackers, Salah had all the room in the world.
 
James Peril said:
Another funny thing is that Liverpool are at their best ever in the Premier League - and they are as far from winning the league as they have ever been
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You think this team is better than Rafa’s 08/09? (with that Gerrard Alonso Mascherano midfield)
 
Some of our fans take the piss out of the scousers transfer policy, but since Ronaldo, how many of our buys have gone for profit? Let alone Suarez/Coutinho money?
Salah is a diamond, and would cost another eye-watering amount.
If we had those players, we could have afforded to keep them, barring any dreams they may have had of playing elsewhere.
Imagine a Liverpool front line consisting of

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Suarez-----------Coutinho----------Salah

As for all the Mourinho-let-soandso-go, the managers that have them now bought the fully formed version.
Would they have played the version that Jose had?
Guardiola's shunning of youth would suggest No.
Kopp, maybe, but I'm struggling to see evidence that would be the case.
That Jose didn't, while chasing titles, should not be used as a stick to beat him.
 
Adam-Utd said:
I think he's he's obviously very good, but he's also insanely lucky.

I don't know if he's got that aura that scares defenders, but I mean Watford gave him 0 respect. They left him insolated 1v1 with a slow CB, then he proceeded to defend him absolutely awfully. Salah is good enough that he will score no problem against idiots like that.

He also has that luck though of the ball falling to him in just the right place, perhaps it's just his natural movement that gets him there.

If you mark him tightly and don't give him space though you can shut him down fairly well (see young)

People saying he's on Messi's level are jokers though. The 3 of Mane/Firmino/Salah has great balance and all work really well together.
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Agreed. But i suspect you'll get quoted more than a few times by people who will choose to focus on the "insanely lucky" comment and completely overlook the "he's obviously very good" one. Let me take your last thought a step further and suggest that Firmino is the most important cog in Klopp's very well oiled attacking machine. We saw it last season too when a part of Liverpool's miserable months coincided with Klopp's decision to move Firmino to the wings.

But credit should be given where credit is due. Throughout the season Salah has been finishing his chances and he's been winning them matches at an incredible rate. If the opposition sides offer him zero respect, it's their fault and not his. And if City in a couple of weeks and perhaps Barca, Real or Bayern next choose to do the same and offer Liverpool all kinds of spaces to exploit, you can't blame Salah for taking his chances. Furthermore, it is known that success breeds confidence. It's plain to see that he's constantly fancying his chances because he feels very confident in himself. And he gets rewarded quite often.

He's definitely not on the same level as, let's say, Suarez. Now, whenever you watched Liverpool back in 2013/14, you could see that, among their attacking trident, he was the irreplaceable one. Not just because of his goals but because, when we talk about forwards, he had the full package. I'm not suggesting that Salah is easily replaceable but for a huge amount of money (close to nine figures), Klopp could find a way to keep the goals coming while also strengthening in other key areas.
 
Suicide to play a high line against him, amazes me how many teams don't adapt their tactics when they play against him.
 
He looks a bit one dimensional in comparison to other elite players and that makes it seem like an extended purple patch. That doesn't seem a particularly fair assessment given he was doing the same thing for Roma last year but that's just how it feels. Something's missing with him.

I'm quite interested to see how he does in the World Cup.
 
Brwned said:
He looks a bit one dimensional in comparison to other elite players and that makes it seem like an extended purple patch. That doesn't seem a particularly fair assessment given he was doing the same thing for Roma last year but that's just how it feels. Something's missing with him.

I'm quite interested to see how he does in the World Cup.
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He is as one dimensional as Robben. And clubs still have not figured out how to stop Robben.
 
Wengerscoat said:
Kane is excellent as well but I'd have Salah all day long.
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Salah doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Kane. Come back when Salah does it for two seasons in a row let alone four.
 
Primativ said:
Salah doesn't even deserve to be mentioned in the same sentence as Kane. Come back when Salah does it for two seasons in a row let alone four.
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So a player who has broken all his club records (when said club have had some proper superstars in their ranks), is on course to break Premier League records (when said league have had even more superstars in it), doesn't deserve to be mentioned alongside a great goalscorer because he hasn't done it in the league for a few seasons running (even though he's only just arrived and everyone thought he would flop?

Ok then
 
Keeps It tidy said:
He is as one dimensional as Robben. And clubs still have not figured out how to stop Robben.
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Robben at his peak was much, much better at passing and especially dribbling than Salah currently. Just because he keeps doing the same thing doesn't mean Robben is one-dimensional. Salah is very quick and has an eye for the goal but I have the impression that he'd do worse under all the other coaches bar Klopp. His attackers have to be pacey/hard-working/good at one-two short-passing, unlike Pep for instance whose (main) attackers are exceptional dribblers and can do something out of nothing.
 
Wengerscoat said:
Ah 'luck', the Caf's favorite word sometimes it seems when the rivals are doing well.

He's insanely good this season, makes thing happen and his overall game is excellent. The pass he gave yesterday for a goal was astounding. If it was that easy or that lucky someone else would have replicated stats like his before. The only other person who did that was Ronaldo, an ATG of the game. Or Henry, fourteen years ago. Kane is excellent as well but I'd have Salah all day long.
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To be fair, it's the caf's favourite word for when Utd do well these days too.
 
Irrational. said:
I can't see it unfortunately. Salah's game is based around the high line and using his impressive attributes to maximum effect. He's still young and will likely continue to thrive under Klopp.

I'm sorry, but I genuinely hope Bayern come in for Klopp at the end of the season and Real for Salah. :D
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Klopp doesn't strike me like somebody who will leave without having anything to show for
Brwned said:
He looks a bit one dimensional in comparison to other elite players and that makes it seem like an extended purple patch. That doesn't seem a particularly fair assessment given he was doing the same thing for Roma last year but that's just how it feels. Something's missing with him.

I'm quite interested to see how he does in the World Cup.
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Yes your assessment is right, no doubt Salah is very good player but one of the reason he is scoring so many goals is, because how Klopp is utilizing him and other players around him. Salah has more freedom than anyone in our squad and firmino is very smart in creating space for our pacey wingers to exploit. One of the reason why they are so hard to mark.
 
Speedy30 said:
So a player who has broken all his club records (when said club have had some proper superstars in their ranks), is on course to break Premier League records (when said league have had even more superstars in it), doesn't deserve to be mentioned alongside a great goalscorer because he hasn't done it in the league for a few seasons running (even though he's only just arrived and everyone thought he would flop?

Ok then
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I'm just saying he needs to do it consistently before he can be mentioned alongside the very best. Don't get me wrong I think he's brilliant and he's having a ridiculous season but at the moment it's just one season. All about consistency.

So no he doesn't deserve to be mentioned alongside Kane just like Kane didn't deserve to be mentioned alongside the very best after just one brilliant season.
 
JDoe said:
Robben at his peak was much, much better at passing and especially dribbling than Salah currently. Just because he keeps doing the same thing doesn't mean Robben is one-dimensional. Salah is very quick and has an eye for the goal but I have the impression that he'd do worse under all the other coaches bar Klopp. His attackers have to be pacey/hard-working/good at one-two short-passing, unlike Pep for instance whose (main) attackers are exceptional dribblers and can do something out of nothing.
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The difference in players lies in the transfer budgets Klopp and pep had to work out through out their careers. Hard-working, pacey attackers always cost less than Pacey, intelligent dribblers. I am sure Klopp will love to have pacey, hard-working , exceptional dribblers in his side somebody like sane but he never had the budget to buy such talent until this season.
 
Primativ said:
I'm just saying he needs to do it consistently before he can be mentioned alongside the very best. Don't get me wrong I think he's brilliant and he's having a ridiculous season but at the moment it's just one season. All about consistency.

So no he doesn't deserve to be mentioned alongside Kane just like Kane didn't deserve to be mentioned alongside the very best after just one brilliant season.
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Kane no doubt is very good player but even he hasn't been as consistent as Salah, if you analysis his goals you will find that lots of goals came in hat-tricks against weaker oppositions and also takes penalties for his club. While he also goes through mini dry spells. Whereas Salah scored his first hat-trick so late in the season and he plays winger which makes his goalscoring record even more impressive. It just can't be luck, ofcourse he is going through good form but it's more due the way Klopp is playing him.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
He is as one dimensional as Robben. And clubs still have not figured out how to stop Robben.
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Very true. And I consider Robben as one of the elite players of his time. I suppose the big difference I see is that Salah is reliant on service, whereas Robben in the 2010 WC was able to be the driving force of the team as well as the matchwinner.
 
Wengerscoat said:
Ah 'luck', the Caf's favorite word sometimes it seems when the rivals are doing well.

He's insanely good this season, makes thing happen and his overall game is excellent. The pass he gave yesterday for a goal was astounding. If it was that easy or that lucky someone else would have replicated stats like his before. The only other person who did that was Ronaldo, an ATG of the game. Or Henry, fourteen years ago. Kane is excellent as well but I'd have Salah all day long.
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Obviously it's more than luck, he's just got that knack of getting lucky. A bit like Suarez used to somehow bundle passed defenders with rebounds and lucky double touches, Salah seems to do that also. A lot of his goals could be saved too, the 3rd/4th yesterday just seemed to fall so easily to him, he's really blessed this year.

I still expect him to be good next season, but I can't see him keeping up this level of goalscoring, there's just something odd about him that I feel is a bit flukey. I guess time will tell.
 
Oh god how i wish we signed him, was never gonna happen under Mourinho but i presume he would have jumped at the chance to play at OT
 
RedMane said:
Kane no doubt is very good player but even he hasn't been as consistent as Salah, if you analysis his goals you will find that lots of goals came in hat-tricks against weaker oppositions and also takes penalties for his club. While he also goes through mini dry spells. Whereas Salah scored his first hat-trick so late in the season and he plays winger which makes his goalscoring record even more impressive. It just can't be luck, ofcourse he is going through good form but it's more due the way Klopp is playing him.
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Salah does not play winger. Give over. That is laughable. He was occupying the inside forward and centre forward positions all match yesterday. It is absolute laughable to suggest Salah is a winger. A winger was Marc Overmars. You don't get wingers making central runs and tapping in goals in the 6 yard box in the centre of the goal like Salah did for his second yesterday. The guy has a free role and Firminio moves all over the place to link play and Salah takes up the space in the centre forward role. Salah is playing like Messi does and Messi isn't a winger is he?

Of course Kane is more consistent. He's scored over 100 goals in just under 4 seasons. He's won the golden boot twice in a row and is still in contention for his third. That is consistency.

I get what you're saying with Salah scoring every game rather than in bursts . It is impressive.
 
Brwned said:
He looks a bit one dimensional in comparison to other elite players and that makes it seem like an extended purple patch. That doesn't seem a particularly fair assessment given he was doing the same thing for Roma last year but that's just how it feels. Something's missing with him.

I'm quite interested to see how he does in the World Cup.
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Kind of get where you're coming from, but Kane gave off a similar vibe and has then taken the challenge on to keep reinventing his game and add new strings to his bow, making himself virtually unmarkable these days.

I think the way we handled him with ease was a wake up call to him and Klopp, to not rest on their laurels, as he can be got at with a particular type of strategy. Yesterday, we started to see him move across the pitch more and come to the left some times too. So he has to prove that he can keep adding an air of mystery to his game.

Robben for me was a more elusive dribbler, better killer passer, better threat from range.. but definitely not as natural a goalscorer as Salah who moves off the ball into striker positions, and moves in the box way better than Robben did (more instinctive at that tight dribbling, shifting into good shooting positions than Robben.. who was better from the wing). Robben is the better winger and overall player though. Still Salah remains a work in progress, exciting to see how far he can take his game and where he will end up one day.
 
Hes been my player of the season but i also think teams are very naive setting up against him/liverpool. Watford yesterday were a joke -compare it to against us and he didnt get a sniff.
 
Annoyingly good player. Shame the vermin bought him. In the early season I kept hoping he'd trail off. If anything he's got even better.

I don't think he'll leave this summer but another season like this one and you'd be surprised if Madrid or Barcelona aren't doing their shameless thing where their players start saying 'we'd welcome him here' in the media.
 
Pacificgi said:
Hes been my player of the season but i also think teams are very naive setting up against him/liverpool. Watford yesterday were a joke -compare it to against us and he didnt get a sniff.
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Watford could have set up like you and Salah would still have scored 4. They really are shit. As good as Utd were against us, and the fear factor obviously kicked in, we just played shit against you. Lots of players pissed their pants before kick off (Mane, TAA, Firmy, etc) and throughout. Credit to Utd for making us piss our pants before and throughout.

Other teams can't make us piss our pants every game before kick off. Mane, TAA, Firmino will have worldies more than piss panties. Stopping our other players will then mean leaving some space for Salah. That's the point of a team, right?

If Utd, and Young, could stop Salah why could they (and Young) not suppress Yedder for only 15 minutes? You can't continue to oversimplify things.
 
Klopp compared his influence on the team to Maradona's.
I mean, he's great but that comparison..
 
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Watford could have set up like you and Salah would still have scored 4. They really are shit. As good as Utd were against us, and the fear factor obviously kicked in, we just played shit against you. Lots of players pissed their pants before kick off (Mane, TAA, Firmy, etc) and throughout. Credit to Utd for making us piss our pants before and throughout.

Other teams can't make us piss our pants every game before kick off. Mane, TAA, Firmino will have worldies more than piss panties. Stopping our other players will then mean leaving some space for Salah. That's the point of a team, right?

If Utd, and Young, could stop Salah why could they (and Young) not suppress Yedder for only 15 minutes? You can't continue to oversimplify things.
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I'm not sure what space people were seeing for his 1st and 4th goals. He was triple marked for either.

The Old Trafford performance was inexplicable. Nothing like the team you see week, in week out. Seems the occasion really does get to us there. Although Salah in isolation has scored the most goals against top 6 opposition by any player in the PL this season.

Primativ said:
Salah does not play winger. Give over. That is laughable. He was occupying the inside forward and centre forward positions all match yesterday. It is absolute laughable to suggest Salah is a winger. A winger was Marc Overmars. You don't get wingers making central runs and tapping in goals in the 6 yard box in the centre of the goal like Salah did for his second yesterday. The guy has a free role and Firminio moves all over the place to link play and Salah takes up the space in the centre forward role. Salah is playing like Messi does and Messi isn't a winger is he?

Of course Kane is more consistent. He's scored over 100 goals in just under 4 seasons. He's won the golden boot twice in a row and is still in contention for his third. That is consistency.

I get what you're saying with Salah scoring every game rather than in bursts . It is impressive.
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Primativ said:
Salah does not play winger. Give over. That is laughable. He was occupying the inside forward and centre forward positions all match yesterday. It is absolute laughable to suggest Salah is a winger. A winger was Marc Overmars. You don't get wingers making central runs and tapping in goals in the 6 yard box in the centre of the goal like Salah did for his second yesterday. The guy has a free role and Firminio moves all over the place to link play and Salah takes up the space in the centre forward role. Salah is playing like Messi does and Messi isn't a winger is he?

Of course Kane is more consistent. He's scored over 100 goals in just under 4 seasons. He's won the golden boot twice in a row and is still in contention for his third. That is consistency.

I get what you're saying with Salah scoring every game rather than in bursts . It is impressive.
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Yea, it's getting a bit strange. His average position is that of a right handed striker.

Bizare when people call him a winger. Raheem Sterling is a winger, Sane is a winger. Salah is a striker. He is not there to provide width and crosses.
 
gibers said:
Yea, it's getting a bit strange. His average position is that of a right handed striker.

Bizare when people call him a winger. Raheem Sterling is a winger, Sane is a winger. Salah is a striker. He is not there to provide width and crosses.
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Salah is more winger then Sterling. SALAH and Sane can beat like 2-4 defenders at once, sterling can't.
 
Chiken138 said:
Salah is more winger then Sterling. SALAH and Sane can beat like 2-4 defenders at once, sterling can't.
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No he isn't. Sterling stays wide to hug the touchline and provide width for Man City and open up the pitch for the centre and crosses and comes inside a lot wider. Salah is far closer to the boxc and is essentially the striker/second striker

Salah is almost always the furthest liverpool player up the pitch and he's inside when Pool have the ball near the box. He even said Klopp specifically told him to do that!

Sterling is better than Salah and Sane when defences are more compact.
 
To our credit Salah was ineffective against us. He thrives on space but worryingly seems to be developing the knack if weaving through tight defences.
 
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gibers said:
No he isn't. Sterling stays wide to hug the touchline and provide width for Man City and open up the pitch for the centre and crosses and comes inside a lot wider. Salah is far closer to the boxc and is essentially the striker/second striker

Salah is almost always the furthest liverpool player up the pitch and he's inside when Pool have the ball near the box. He even said Klopp specifically told him to do that!

Sterling is better than Salah and Sane when defences are more compact.
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That's bullshit. U can ask city fans, sterling isn't even near as good as Sane in tight spaces. Sterling is hugging the wing because he is ordered to. But in reality Salah and Sane are more wingers then Sterling, since they are way stronger beating defenders. Even City fans see sterling as striker
 
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That's bullshit. U can ask city fans, sterling isn't even near as good as Sane in tight spaces. Sterling is hugging the wing because he is ordered to. But in reality Salah and Sane are more wingers then Sterling, since they are way stronger beating defenders. Even City fans see sterling as striker
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No Sane isn't. Sane loses more balls than Sterling and Sterling is far more press resistant. When Sane has no space to run into he is nowhere near as effective.

SO Pep asks him to huig the touch line and provide width....like a winger....

What City fan sees Sterling as a stiker?
 
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