Mo Salah

Nothing that Honigstein ever wrote about Dortmund while Klopp was in charge was in any sort insightful and I won't trust him on this one either.
What he is suggesting here is that Klopp is a complete moron, which Klopp obviously is not.
Honigstein, a confessed Bayern fan, has previous.
 
herbert said:
p.s. I love Jimbo, but his "transfer policy" since leaving the Guardian is questionable.


Honigstein is adding some ridiculous stuff though.
In the same argument he could add:
"Klopp, while at Dortmund, prefered Ryan Babel, but the Dortmund board convinced him to sign Marco Reus instead."
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I did not hear the podcast yet. Did he say that. And I do not think Klopp had much control of the transfers when he was at Dortmund.
 
I made it up to make a point, because comparing Brandt to Salah is not dissimilar to comparing Babel to Reus.
Honigstein loves to make Klopp look like a gifted whipper-in who lacks the basics of coaching a team long term.
 
herbert said:
I made it up to make a point, because comparing Brandt to Salah is not dissimilar to comparing Babel to Reus.
Honigstein loves to make Klopp look like a gifted whipper-in who lacks the basics of coaching a team long term.
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Once again even an Egyptian fan who watched every Roma match could have predicted what Salah would do this season. Rating someone like Brandt over Salah was not a ridiculous idea back in July.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Once again even an Egyptian fan who watched every Roma match could have predicted what Salah would do this season. Rating someone like Brandt over Salah was not a ridiculous idea back in July.
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I won't deny that Salah has exceeded all expectations, even those of Egyptians who watch Seria A.
However, I strongly oppose the suggestion that Klopp, who surely both watches Seria A and Bundesliga came up with the conclusion that Brandt would be the better player for Liverpool.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Once again even an Egyptian fan who watched every Roma match could have predicted what Salah would do this season. Rating someone like Brandt over Salah was not a ridiculous idea back in July.
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Klopp was just a coach in Germany, in fact every club there has a sporting director who is responsible for scouting and usually him and the coach decide if a transfer is made or not. I certainly could imagine him having prefered Brandt over Salah who was the more established player at Roma but noone could fathom which impact he'd have this year. Still, I could imagine Liverpool replacing him with someone like Bailey/Malcom/Fekir, or at least much easier than let's say Tottenham replacing Kane, without losing too much quality. They play a brand of football that - when it's working - give their attackers alot of space and requires much less individual quality than Mou's or Pep's systems. I could easily see Mané gaining more importance in the absence of Salah, for example. Of course when teams are sitting deep and defending well you'd much rather prefer someone who is able to do something out of nothing (Kane/Hazard/Sanchez/Pogba/KDB types) and Salah, or the rest of their attackers for that matter, aren't those type of players IMO. Klopp had Lewa back in Dortmund, also Reus to some extent when he was fit, who could do that, and Coutinho was the best at it at Liverpool. Next season I can see Keita making a difference for them, this guy is on the same level as Thiago when it comes to close control/dribbling but is also a very hard-working midfielder that should fit them like a glove.
 
Ayush_reddevil said:
Starting to wonder now whether this guy is papering over the issues Liverpool have
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Does De Gea paper over the issues United have?

Does Hazard paper over the issues Chelsea have?

Does Kane paper over the issues Spurs have?

They're just top echelon players who take teams to the next level.
 
GSevensM said:
I hate to admit it but I think Lampard became a very under rated player by English fans. He was a superb player and way more than just a midfield goal scorer. His passing was fantastic but because he didn't really exhibit flair, try Hollywood passes every 5 minutes or charge around the pitch like an idiot he often went unnoticed until he popped up with a goal.
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It became en vogue to do Lampard down because of the frequent comparison vs. between he and Scholes or Gerrard. Lampard, being the least skilled of the three, is always going to get it in the neck in those terms, especially on a partisan site such as this.

Lampard's not everyone's cup of tea. but to consider him as anything but a superb player at club level is either intellectually dishonest or clueless rambling.

He's definitely a player whose legacy is going to get savaged over time - it's already happening and he's barely hung up his boots!
 
Fortitude said:
It became en vogue to do Lampard down because of the frequent comparison vs. between he and Scholes or Gerrard. Lampard, being the least skilled of the three, is always going to get it in the neck in those terms, especially on a partisan site such as this.

Lampard's not everyone's cup of tea. but to consider him as anything but a superb player at club level is either intellectually dishonest or clueless rambling.

He's definitely a player whose legacy is going to get savaged over time - it's already happening and he's barely hung up his boots!
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Lampard is great me saying De Bruyne is better is more praising De Bruyne than salvaging Lampard.
 
Fortitude said:
It became en vogue to do Lampard down because of the frequent comparison vs. between he and Scholes or Gerrard. Lampard, being the least skilled of the three, is always going to get it in the neck in those terms, especially on a partisan site such as this.

Lampard's not everyone's cup of tea. but to consider him as anything but a superb player at club level is either intellectually dishonest or clueless rambling.

He's definitely a player whose legacy is going to get savaged over time - it's already happening and he's barely hung up his boots!
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Spot on! Couldn't agree more!
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Lampard is great me saying De Bruyne is better is more praising De Bruyne than salvaging Lampard.
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Well, this makes your idea of how good Lampard was questionable! I've been one of De Bruyne's biggest fans since 2012, and the notion that he has surpassed the levels of peak Lampard is just wrong.
 
Fortitude said:
It became en vogue to do Lampard down because of the frequent comparison vs. between he and Scholes or Gerrard. Lampard, being the least skilled of the three, is always going to get it in the neck in those terms, especially on a partisan site such as this.

Lampard's not everyone's cup of tea. but to consider him as anything but a superb player at club level is either intellectually dishonest or clueless rambling.

He's definitely a player whose legacy is going to get savaged over time - it's already happening and he's barely hung up his boots!
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His goalscoring track record was phenomenal. He had amazing consistency too. Criminal England get never fashion a top midfield with those three and Beckham.
 
Prometheus said:
Well, this makes your idea of how good Lampard was questionable! I've been one of De Bruyne's biggest fans since 2012, and the notion that he has surpassed the levels of peak Lampard is just wrong.
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Dr Bruyne is having one of the best individual season's I have ever seen from a midfielder.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Lampard is great me saying De Bruyne is better is more praising De Bruyne than salvaging Lampard.
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Comes across as damned by faint praise, really. I don't know how the comparison came about in the first place, but it has felt like one is admonished to boost the other, in some ways. De Bruyne's a player I rate highly and there'll be a number of posts backing that up, but he's doing his thing in a weaker Premier League against weaker opposition and has nothing like the Champions League profile Lampard had for Chelsea. This perspective seems to get lost in the praise of him, or should I say, it's not mentioned at all in favour of Lampard's exploits.

Give De Bruyne a single, impressive deep-reaching CL season before putting him on the level of someone who always shone in the premier club competition, at least!
 
Jippy said:
His goalscoring track record was phenomenal. He had amazing consistency too. Criminal England get never fashion a top midfield with those three and Beckham.
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It really is a case of what could have been, and I don't think the players we had then were appreciated until we saw what was coming up behind them, really.

You have to wonder what a top class manager, who wasn't afraid to drop a big name or two in favour of the team, could have done with that set of players.
 
Fortitude said:
It really is a case of what could have been, and I don't think the players we had then were appreciated until we saw what was coming up behind them, really.

You have to wonder what a top class manager, who wasn't afraid to drop a big name or two in favour of the team, could have done with that set of players.
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Yep, Scholes out on the left:(
With Rio and Sol, that was a solid team.
 
herbert said:
Nothing that Honigstein ever wrote about Dortmund while Klopp was in charge was in any sort insightful and I won't trust him on this one either.
What he is suggesting here is that Klopp is a complete moron, which Klopp obviously is not.
Honigstein, a confessed Bayern fan, has previous.
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He wrote a book about Klopp though?
 
Well Brandt vs Salah is purely hypothetical because we don't know how Brandt would've performed under Klopp. Brandt is 4 years younger than Salah so in the summer I'm sure there would've been a healthy debate if it came down to who to buy among the two, Salah might've been argued to be better but Brandt looks like he has more potential.

The two are very different players though, Brandt is more of a playmaking winger rather than goalscoring (like Salah). Brandt has certainly been average this season for Leverkusen but the system under Klopp is completely different and could've gotten the best out of him; there is no doubt Brandt is highly talented.
 
Another fantastic goal today for Egypt; made it look so easy. The rate at which he's scoring is ridiculous.
 
Sigma said:
I'd be surprised if Real don't sign at least one of Salah or Kane this summer.
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Why does either club have to sell? I ask that under the assumption that Kane has a few years left on his contract.
 
Sigma said:
I'd be surprised if Real don't sign at least one of Salah or Kane this summer.
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Be surprised if either club will be pressured into selling. Could see Salah kick up a fuss but I doubt Liverpool sell immediately after Coutinho had left
 
It would be interesting if Real will try to lure him away. Won't be surprised if it would be a Ronaldo/Suarez-esque deal — he'll get his transfer but he'll have to give them one more season.
 
Salah won't go anywhere this summer. Possible in 2019 but we won't let him go this summer regardless of him kicking up a fuss and end of the day if he doesn't then perform because he's sulking he may just end up being viewed as a 1 season wonder so Madrid will lose interest anyway. If we don't win anything in 2019 then I'd expect to see him go.
 
he may not move this summer, but next summer if Real make a push, he will be off. He wont resist Real
 
It'd take £200m+ to sign him and even then I'd be hesitant to sell him. The real top top attackers are very rare, Real signed Ronaldo and Bale for big money and it's won them 3 out of the four last champions leagues. There comes a point when you have to say no to any kind of money and if Liverpool ever want to truly challenge for the PL consistently they need to keep Salah. Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs have all suffered over the last 10 years with selling their best players and it shows.
 
marktan said:
It'd take £200m+ to sign him and even then I'd be hesitant to sell him. The real top top attackers are very rare, Real signed Ronaldo and Bale for big money and it's won them 3 out of the four last champions leagues. There comes a point when you have to say no to any kind of money and if Liverpool ever want to truly challenge for the PL consistently they need to keep Salah. Arsenal, Liverpool and Spurs have all suffered over the last 10 years with selling their best players and it shows.
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Long term you can't keep a player who doesn't want to be there. But you can persuade a player to stay an extra which is what I think will happen for sure with Salah.
 
FlawlessThaw said:
Long term you can't keep a player who doesn't want to be there. But you can persuade a player to stay an extra which is what I think will happen for sure with Salah.
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True. I think a likely outcome is that Salah gives Liverpool 1-2 more seasons, and stays for more if they're successful. If not, he's most likely off especially as Ronaldo / Bale / Messi will be getting on a bit age wise then.
 
marktan said:
True. I think a likely outcome is that Salah gives Liverpool 1-2 more seasons, and stays for more if they're successful. If not, he's most likely off especially as Ronaldo / Bale / Messi will be getting on a bit age wise then.
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Think he will leave even if Liverpool are successful assuming Real/Barca are interested. Their allure will be too great.
 
Keeps It tidy said:
Real and Barca can only play 11 at a time they can not sign every good player.
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Real haven't signed a "big" name in years and their team is ageing. They are due a big spend like in 09, especially with Barca splashing money on the likes of Coutinho and Dembele and their poor league form this season.
 
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