We need a striker and he’s out of contract
Mo Salah
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Walks into it in my opinion. Don't care who at the expense for whether it's Giggs or Ronaldo.
He looks like a spring lamb.
It's a pretty straightforward cultural difference. The US goes to war all around the world and then uses sports to sistract people from it.
We Europeans usually don't go to war and substitute it with sports rivalries.
Mohamed Aboutrika. Lynch pin of the back-to-back AFCON winning team (missed the threepeat through injury). 5 CAF CL titles and Egyptian POTY 5 times + a BBC African POTY award (neither won by Mido).
Between 06 and 2010, Egypt dominated African football like Pep's City dominated the PL, and he was their KDB.
I think this all time premier league thing needs to stop.
It should be all time team of the decade. How can you formulate an all time team with mixing an era of 442 with an era of 433?
Salah in a 433 is a much better player than playing in a 442 as a conventional winger rather than a wide forward. I think Giggs would have been a much better player in today's game if he was allowed to be a wide forward rather than the traditional winger. (he done alright for himself mind you)
Also the premier league is just a name change and change in administration. The First Division that preceded it is every bit as legit as the premier league because it's the same division
Should we add law, charlton and best into the all time team, 3 ballon d'or winners? No? Why? Because it's a completely different era just like united in 99 is to city's treble team.
I'm not directing this at any individual . I'm just pointing out that it is now absurd to have an all time PL IX that spans 32 years and if you go that far back then why not include all of the top flight history?
It should be all time team of the decade. How can you formulate an all time team with mixing an era of 442 with an era of 433?
Salah in a 433 is a much better player than playing in a 442 as a conventional winger rather than a wide forward. I think Giggs would have been a much better player in today's game if he was allowed to be a wide forward rather than the traditional winger. (he done alright for himself mind you)
Also the premier league is just a name change and change in administration. The First Division that preceded it is every bit as legit as the premier league because it's the same division
Should we add law, charlton and best into the all time team, 3 ballon d'or winners? No? Why? Because it's a completely different era just like united in 99 is to city's treble team.
I'm not directing this at any individual . I'm just pointing out that it is now absurd to have an all time PL IX that spans 32 years and if you go that far back then why not include all of the top flight history?
that’s how just we work out some of our anger and frustration. it’s our version of shooting up schools.
Probably Aboutrika
We've had many great players throughout the years. Making it on the European stage is, of course, a different level, and Salah represents the pinnacle of that success—hence the public's reaction in Egypt. But our football culture is rich with talented, brilliant players. Take Mahmoud El-Khatib, or 'Bibo' as we call him, from the 70s and 80s. Personally, I believe he was more naturally talented than Salah. And there's of course the magician Abu Trika, plus more: Hossam Hassan, Mohamed Zidan, Hassan Shehata (who then became our legendary coach 2006-2010), El Diba, and the insanely talented Hazem Emam. Different times though and many wasted talents :/ .
You guys are kidding, right? If not, well know that Mido wouldn't even make the top 20......... or 50.
Sort of, but you've said yourself that not many have made it on a European stage. Mido was at least briefly a reasonably prominent PL player.
Mo Zidan played successfully in Germany, so he also made it. And he did win titles in Germany, Mido only in the Netherlands. So I'd rate him above Mido based on that.
Same for me. Zidan, Salah and Marmoush are the only Egyptians I could have listed without looking them up
Same for me. Zidan, Salah and Marmoush are the only Egyptians I could have listed without looking them up
Is Elneny Egyptian? I thought of him but second guessed myself.
After that I'm done.
Given that Trent whips in a decent cross and can't defend. Why was he ever considered a full back in the first place, rather than a winger?
The Yankee/Red Sox rivalry is tame in comparison, there is nothing in US sport that compares to European soccer rivalries - I've sat in Yankee stadium wearing a Red Sox shirt and aside from some dirty looks, nothing, if I wore a United shirt at Anfield or pretty much any other PL ground where the home fans were sitting I'd get my head kicked in
I’m pretty sure that the closest in which the US gets to European football culture is college football.
That's probably true but it's still not the same, even if the weather was good enough, having BBQ's in the car park before a game would result in a huge blaze and probably a burnt-out stadium!
Second part of this is mental.
As for the first bit, I always liked Jari Litmanen, great player at Ajax and too injured at Liverpool to hold it against him too much.
Right- the point is, don't you think it's a little problematic that people are taking sports that seriously?
Should have signed him from Roma.
Salah is a great example of signing a player at the right time.
When Chelsea signed him he was young and raw and the step up from the Swiss league to an elite Premier League team was far too big. He carried on working though and improved enough at Fiorentina and Roma to get to a level where he was ready for the biggest stage.
This is the sort of players we need to be targeting. Ones that have a really good body of work under their belts, not 17 year olds in Portugal or 18 year olds in Norway but players around the 23-25 age mark.
When Chelsea signed him he was young and raw and the step up from the Swiss league to an elite Premier League team was far too big. He carried on working though and improved enough at Fiorentina and Roma to get to a level where he was ready for the biggest stage.
This is the sort of players we need to be targeting. Ones that have a really good body of work under their belts, not 17 year olds in Portugal or 18 year olds in Norway but players around the 23-25 age mark.
There's a famous saying by a former Liverpool manager, 'Football is not a matter of life and death, it's much more important than that' - whilst most people don't actually believe that it's much closer to the truth than you think when you understand the history of the clubs, how they were formed and in what circumstances
He developed at a time when fullbacks were their team's wingers
now Guardiola is changing that, but it will take some time still
But it’s really not. College football fans are great and it’s a spectacle, but like all American sports it’s chanting, not singing. It’s rooting for your team only whilst football has singing for your team and against opponent supporters. It is passionate though.
Little bit of an exaggeration there but splitting supporters up is the main difference between American supporters and football supporters throughout the world. There isn’t a sense of tribalism in the U.S. It’s a different culture to anywhere else. Getting up constantly to get food and drink,not paying attention to the games and being on the phone 90% of the time is what is prevalent in US sports. I’ve been Fenway and Yankee Stadium and every sports venue in the New York area and even the best rivalries will never match a big game in football let alone the derby we just witnessed. If you think something like the scenes from Goodison is too much then maybe this sport is not for you.
I won't deny north American fans are passionate. But the atmosphere is cheesy. With the 'let's go 'insert team' let's go' type chants or 'fight and win, come on seattle' (seen this on YouTube ages ago)
I also won't deny some people take things too far in UK/Europe/South America but those that do are well within the 0.01% of those that follow the sport of football, but with literally millions around the Globe going to the games every week the only headlines regarding supporters are generally that small small minority that create trouble.
I wouldn't swap any part of the atmosphere /passion shown in football in the UK for the north American atmosphere at their sports.
For 99.99% of football fans the rivalry is a fun thing. Us Brits love to take the mick of each other and I've never experienced anything negative when attending a football match, it's all banter.
We love to hate on Liverpool / Man City etc but the rivalry is never directed personally at another individual. One of my best friends is a Liverpool season ticket holder, on two occasions I've been to a Liverpool vs United game as a United fan, with the home support, once we lost, once we won. When we lost I was getting it from the Liverpool supporters and they were laughing at me but I was laughing back with them, we all went out for beers after. When we won I got some funny looks and people coming up to me telling me to f off but it was met with a smile and then they quickly warmed up, once again I joined the Liverpool supporters for a beer afterwards (and before the game both times).
Had other experiences like this at home games where both sets of fans get along just fine. I was at the Euro 2020 final and despite the issues with people trying to break in and a lot of drunks, there was no violence towards Italy supporters either before, during or after the match.
Yes there are bad eggs, same can be said in American sports, especially college Football but it's not widespread at all.
The English are tribal in nature, it's our history, our Football clubs have historical significance and deep rooted rivalries, that simply isn't something that happens in America as there just isn't much historical culture in your game in comparison. Teams move cities, franchises change and expand (Browns / Ravens) and there is a much bigger geographical distance between clubs. There are 40,000 football clubs in Association football with many times more in grassroots. I'd also say that British / European sport essentially is a form of combat, scores were settled and conflicts resolved through sport, it's more Gladiatorial in nature whereas American sport has always been entertainment.
Seen that, he has missed only 10 games through injury in 8 years in Liverpool.
Jealous that Liverpool have had him.
Jealous that Liverpool have had him.
He's annoyingly good - one of the greatest of the modern PL era (probably PL era as a whole), and on top of that, he comes across as a very likeable guy. That is even more annoying. Kind of like Aguero - very hard to dislike, but one simply has to.
Many things have to align for things to work out though. Had he re-signed for Chelsea, there's no telling his career would have followed the same trajectory. The Liverpool team and Klopp was perfectly set up for him.
Having photo ops with war criminals and celebrating gifted penalties in pointless games like a mad man. Very likeable indeed.
Yep, agreed. And then some would still have you believe that he's one of the best players in the world. Overrated.
Alonso, Crouch? Salah is alright, he's not your usual Gerrard -> Suárez Liverpool superstar, but diving alone disqualifies him from being likable as a United fan.
Oh, forgot about the Kadyrov PR stunt (I assume you're talking about him but even if not, multiple of those just makes this worse). That's a great argument and an instant disqualification from the "nice guy" category for me.
Aguero? Always came across as a decent guy in interviews and made very little fuss about anything. Also was a, mostly fair, and very good player.What's likeable about Aguero?
fecking hell
Liking opposition players, especially those who play/played for rival clubs is a strange phenomena. Just because someone may not be a complete cnut or has a vanilla personality, does not make them likeable. The fact that he chose to spend his best years at that shell of a club, automatically fails to endear him to me.
Just my opinion of course.
I think it’s fine to like or respect rival players. I think it’s daft as feck to hope those players stay at rival clubs and continue their world class exploits.
I think it's fine if he plays for a proper club.
Whoever plays for some artificial sportswashing construct like City can just feck off.