But would there ever be a situation where we had a kid in the younger age groups, was essentially poached by, say City, and then became disgruntled at lack of first team opportunities. Would we ever look to take that kid back on if the possibility arose?
This was exactly the situation I was thinking about. Pride over logic is certainly a trait SAF ingrained in the club. I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing really. There's a fine line between principle and bitterness (a concept City know better than anyone)It's not that easy, once signed the player has a transfer fee set out by the EPPP, it's happened a few times where a kid's parents have been dazzled by City, moved their kid over and a year or two later realised they've made a mistake, United refuse to pay a fee and take them back. I presume it depends on the quality of the kid, but as a whole United don't do it out of principle.
I was thinking about James McAtee and Noah Ohio. Both top prospects who City poached at around 12, now around 15 and will be potential first year scholars next year I believe. I would love the club to bring them back so thought I would ask your opinion on the likelihood of that happening?Sure why not? But it's never happened.
This was exactly the situation I was thinking about. Pride over logic is certainly a trait SAF ingrained in the club. I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing really. There's a fine line between principle and bitterness (a concept City know better than anyone)
I was thinking about James McAtee and Noah Ohio. Both top prospects who City poached at around 12, now around 15 and will be potential first year scholars next year I believe. I would love the club to bring them back so thought I would ask your opinion on the likelihood of that happening?
This was exactly the situation I was thinking about. Pride over logic is certainly a trait SAF ingrained in the club. I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing really. There's a fine line between principle and bitterness (a concept City know better than anyone)
I was thinking about James McAtee and Noah Ohio. Both top prospects who City poached at around 12, now around 15 and will be potential first year scholars next year I believe. I would love the club to bring them back so thought I would ask your opinion on the likelihood of that happening?
United 2002 won 3-0 against Colina yesterday in their first game of SuperCup NI (the match was abandoned half way so could have been more)
XI: Mastny; Hughes, Mengi, Wyatt, Sharrock-Peplow; Smethurst, Pleavin; Mayamona, Shoretire, Elanga; Odubeko.
Mengi x 2 (1 pen) and Elanga with the goals.
This was exactly the situation I was thinking about. Pride over logic is certainly a trait SAF ingrained in the club. I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing really. There's a fine line between principle and bitterness (a concept City know better than anyone)
I was thinking about James McAtee and Noah Ohio. Both top prospects who City poached at around 12, now around 15 and will be potential first year scholars next year I believe. I would love the club to bring them back so thought I would ask your opinion on the likelihood of that happening?
Someone in the stands had a heart attack I believe.Why was it abandoned?
I'm glad to see the club stepping up. I know from my work and studies that change and innovation are the most important things for any organisation to stay ahead of the game, and the most resistant things to change are people that refuse to adapt! What worked for the class of 92 would not work for these kids and I think Butt is now understanding that. It can't be taken as a slight to the way things use to be done, just a recognition that the old way is unsustainable now.Doubt it due to the compensation required, I think there are better players out there than these two. The Academy has changed I expect a lot more quality coming through the door in all age groups, they have definitely upped their game. City haven't really taken any of our top signed player since Ohio, we seem to have put a stop to it, they now target pre-academy kids, which again we have now reacted to by changing the way we do things, it's upset a lot of the old school but it needed to be done. We now have some real top talent in most of our age groups.
I imagine we will hear more stories in the press like Sancho's which will help our cause, you can't stockpile talent without a clear path to first team football.
I understand what you're saying here and I partially agree, it can only be a positive. But, you could add that its not a huge deal for a players career unless they themselves are relatively hardcore United fans. They will want to improve as much as possible whilst they are at the club, if they have to move elsewhere then they can move. The Dominic Solanke pathway could be taken by many academy players at City and Chelsea over the next 5 years and they may still end up PL players, albeit not with the team they started at. They would have to build themselves up to play for a top 4 club.I imagine we will hear more stories in the press like Sancho's which will help our cause, you can't stockpile talent without a clear path to first team football.
I think Embalo had Madrid sniffing around though.As much as I'd like to, City would make us pay a fortune for him. It would probably be easier to go to Embalo who would cost a ton as well but is probably even better than Sancho.
I understand what you're saying here and I partially agree, it can only be a positive. But, you could add that its not a huge deal for a players career unless they themselves are relatively hardcore United fans. They will want to improve as much as possible whilst they are at the club, if they have to move elsewhere then they can move. The Dominic Solanke pathway could be taken by many academy players at City and Chelsea over the next 5 years and they may still end up PL players, albeit not with the team they started at. They would have to build themselves up to play for a top 4 club.
United U/15's defeated Count Fermanagh 4-2 at Ballymena this evening.
Team: Mastny, Hughes, Peplow, Mengi, Pleavin, Smethurst, Elanga, Odubeko, Shoretire, Wyatt, Mayamona
Subs: Wellens (Shoretire), Gallagher-Allison (Peplow), Woods (Wyatt)
Goals: Odubeko 2, Mengi 1, Wellens 1
We play Southampton at Coleraine tomorrow night in our last group game.
United U/15's defeated Count Fermanagh 4-2 at Ballymena this evening.
Team: Mastny, Hughes, Peplow, Mengi, Pleavin, Smethurst, Elanga, Odubeko, Shoretire, Wyatt, Mayamona
Subs: Wellens (Shoretire), Gallagher-Allison (Peplow), Woods (Wyatt)
Goals: Odubeko 2, Mengi 1, Wellens 1
We play Southampton at Coleraine tomorrow night in our last group game.
He's only 13 so is playing 2 years up. He's 1 of the highest rated players in the academy. He's a brilliant dribbler and scores a huge number of goals and has won player of the tournament in a number of the top underage European tournamentsFrom the highlights Shortire certainly looks a player! Do you know much about him?
From the highlights Shortire certainly looks a player! Do you know much about him?
He's only 13 so is playing 2 years up. He's 1 of the highest rated players in the academy. He's a brilliant dribbler and scores a huge number of goals and has won player of the tournament in a number of the top underage European tournaments
Highlights from today's match: http://m.bbc.com/sport/football/40723855
He's only 13 so is playing 2 years up. He's 1 of the highest rated players in the academy. He's a brilliant dribbler and scores a huge number of goals and has won player of the tournament in a number of the top underage European tournaments
Didn't see him finding a club to go out on loan to but I'm very happy with this. All the best to him, hopefully he does well.
Absolutely, but my original point was that we seemed to really want only one or two very good players per age group so that its easier to hold on to the players we want to keep. That is for our advantage not the player.It's not as easy as that, they are contracted, the club are very much in control. Another club would have to stump up the compo. My point was more to do with slightly younger players, with players like Campbell and now Sancho apparently not happy with the pathway to the first team, it can only benefit other Academies who can show a track record of promoting talent to the first team.
SBRAGIA OUTLINES FOOTBALLING OUTLOOK
Ricky Sbragia has explained his footballing philosophy ahead of Manchester United Under-23s' pre-season friendly at Oldham Athletic on Tuesday night.
The young Reds drew 2-2 with Salford Citybefore beating Bradford City in a behind-closed-doors encounter last week, and the new coach is starting to gain a better understanding of his squad.
The Scot has a clear outlook on how he thinks the game should be played and it is likely to resonate with the players at his disposal as the side prepares for another campaign at Premier League 2 level, continuing with the outing at Sportsdirect.com Park (kick-off 19:30 BST).
When asked about the messages he is trying to instil into his squad, Sbragia told MUTV: "I think the principles of what Manchester United are, and I try to bring in little things. I'm probably getting to know them and they're getting to know me and suss me out with what we are and what we are going to do.
"I always believe in playing the game the right way, so they're able to express themselves, they can be unpredictable and take risks.
"I've always thought that, when a coach in development football. Let them have the freedom to really enjoy the game, enjoy the training and the surrounds. They are working for the greatest club in the world, in my opinion, and what an opportunity it is for them. They should totally appreciate it.
"I'll try to make things different," he continued. "But I always believe you should let them deal with situations, have a chat informally, and see why they've done it and maybe consider something else. They all can handle the ball, are all good on the ball and are all athletes.
"That's fantastic and it's trying to get the best of them. What I want them to do is I remember when I first came to the club, the manager at the time [Sir Alex Ferguson] said was to make sure it was the best two, three, four or five years of their lives. I try to do that and that's also by playing football as well and getting them to play for Manchester United."
CBJ, Mitchell, Wilson & Riley to go?That was a good result, won and kept a clean sheet against a League One side isn't bad at all, although some of the names in that XI probably won't play U23s football when the season starts.
CBJ, Mitchell, Wilson & Riley to go?
