So you would say it's because we're not offering the money?
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So you would say it's because we're not offering the money?
It's our policy not to offer parents money at these age groups.Even if we do it won't make much difference as City's intention is as clear as day - to weaken us and strengthen them at all cost.Not only us they also raided the likes of Blackburn.
That was my part of my next point. I seem to remember reading something, maybe last summer or the summer before regarding the rules on youth players in particular the younger age groups - I thought they'd tightened up the loopholes regarding offering kids and their parents money?
Along with a financial motivation and the promise of a free education it's also a case the grass is greener with regards City, the parents and kids get very frustrated at Utd with the way they play without any real structure, whereas City is all about playing as a team and sharing the ball, consequently they win a lot of matches at these younger ages, but I'm not sure how this develops kids as individuals.
The problem I see with City, is by constantly hoovering up all these kids it creates a pressurised environment where the kids cannot afford to have a drop in form or they face the prospect of being replaced. I can see an awful lot of disappointed kids and parents of these so called superstar kids, especially when it reaches the age limit were City can cast their net wider.
I do think the club should try harder to keep their very best kids from being poached, they do have the out dated attitude that if you don't want to play for the club you can go. However, at the end of the day if they don't lose too many each year it shouldn't be a problem as the academy system is a cattle market and there are always better players coming in to replace them.
The problem I see with City, is by constantly hoovering up all these kids it creates a pressurised environment where the kids cannot afford to have a drop in form or they face the prospect of being replaced. I can see an awful lot of disappointed kids and parents of these so called superstar kids, especially when it reaches the age limit were City can cast their net wider.
I do think the club should try harder to keep their very best kids from being poached, they do have the out dated attitude that if you don't want to play for the club you can go. However, at the end of the day if they don't lose too many each year it shouldn't be a problem as the academy system is a cattle market and there are always better players coming in to replace them.
It's always good to have a better depth of talents though - generally will result in more potential players to break through.Playing with better players will also help the best kids to develop better.
Obviously at the end of the day even if we have a very weak crop coming up we can still spend loads of money for foreign imports at 16 like City did in the last 5 years (and I can see us pushing it a bit this summer/next summer).Still it better to see local lads that have been at the club for a long time (if they're good enough) than a team full of Belgians/Spanishs.
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Because of the 1hr rule they have on average 25 local kids in each age group at the younger ages, if they lose a couple it doesn't really matter, it just gives someone else the opportunity. Kids develop at different rates, I've already seen loads of kids whose parents were convinced they were the new Messi at 7 not improve and be very average at 10.
Man Utd's U21s to play Salford City on Monday, 13th July at Moor Lane in a pre-season friendly.
LSC semis against Rochdale on the 18th of July. Winners face Bury in the finals.
Any news on other u21 pre-season matches?
Any news on other u21 pre-season matches?
Home or away in the semi?
The match will be at Altrincham FC's Moss Lane at 3pm.
Thanks!
Seems a nice lad, it's a shame about the injury, but hopefully he gets fit and gets a chance at a League One club.
It's so good to see that our youngsters usually find themselves a club within weeks of being released
Any word on who is being lined up for the academy job?
Also, is Nicky Butt still assisting the U21s or is he in a more varied role now? I take it he'll coach the U19 squad again for the Youth Champions League?
Also, is Nicky Butt still assisting the U21s or is he in a more varied role now? I take it he'll coach the U19 squad again for the Youth Champions League?
Still surprised he was released.
Yeah, that was an odd one. Hope he ends up doing well.
Will Keane to Preston on loan for a season.
http://www.pnefc.net/news/article/north-end-capture-manchester-united-forward-2534129.aspx
http://www.pnefc.net/news/article/north-end-capture-manchester-united-forward-2534129.aspx
So the Preston fans were right they did get another of our players on loan. Although they were thinking Reece James or Nick Powell. Sam Johnstone's return is meant to be a formality and we're just keeping him around for the tour because De Gea may be gone. Apparently a permanent move was apart of last season's loan but we changed our mind and only want to loan so we're giving Will Keane on loan as a little sweetener.
I doubt they really know anything about this tbh.Can see we loan another player to PNE after the Tour though.Not a bad club for that purpose.
If DDG leaves, or rather once he leaves, Will Johnstone stay back as the #3 GK? also any news on whether Lindegaard is staying?
Lindegaard was linked for a loan to Birmingham but he's still on first team training yesterday.Johnstone needs to be loaned out unless we decide to make him #2 GK.He would be lucky to get 1 game a season if he's the number 3 which will be detrimental to his development.I think J.Pereira is good enough for a number 3 GK and Lindegaard might stay.
On a side note our deal for Sebtaoui still hasn't done and no sign of Milinkovic on training...
What about Milinkovic? I remember his father claiming last year that he'd be #3 GK this seatha but I don't think that's likely to happen
See my edited post.Have heard a rumour that he's not really rated by our coaches and some issues with his work permit etc (not sure if a Serbian needs this so I'm quite confused).I don't think he's anywhere near being number 3, looks shaky on the highlight reels I've seen of him.If he does back for training his realistic aim should be to win his place in the U21s over J.Pereira,O'Hara and Henderson IMO.
We're really well stocked in the GK position aren't' we. Cheers for the update
It's going to be a busy preseason.. I'm already getting excited !
Milinkovic was with Serbia in u20 world cup. Extended vacation along with Pereira.
Must be pointed out that he was on the bench, albeit behind a top young keeper.
He's on holiday after the u20 world cup and doesnt need a work permit because he was born in Spain
Mitten's just thrown another critical piece over the youth system
I read that earlier, was very interesting. I knew City had invested heavily in their academy but it was kind of shocking seeing how much more they have to offer young players at the moment. Better facilities, full time coaches vs. part timers, education at an expensive private school which continues even if you get released from the academy etc.
Not really surprising that so many of our former players are sending their kids to City's academy
I read that earlier, was very interesting. I knew City had invested heavily in their academy but it was kind of shocking seeing how much more they have to offer young players at the moment. Better facilities, full time coaches vs. part timers, education at an expensive private school which continues even if you get released from the academy etc.
Not really surprising that so many of our former players are sending their kids to City's academy
Doesn't make for positive reading at all. Cant argue with a lot of it either.
Hopefully if the club do look at changing things having LVG in charge should us help lay the foundations.
Anyone know the young player he mentioned who left over his brother being released?
@khoazany have some input please!
I find it really strange we don't have full-time coaches and schools. The Danish top clubs are collaborating with schools to make sure the youngsters are still getting some sort of education, as an example Brøndby IF's project 'Brøndby Masterclass' has five different schools in the area they are working closely together with, both at elementary and high school level. Why aren't we doing that?I read that earlier, was very interesting. I knew City had invested heavily in their academy but it was kind of shocking seeing how much more they have to offer young players at the moment. Better facilities, full time coaches vs. part timers, education at an expensive private school which continues even if you get released from the academy etc.
Not really surprising that so many of our former players are sending their kids to City's academy
If you look carefully at this thread and some other threads @hebegebe who is one of the parents have mentioned most of the points stated in the article.A bit of a doom and gloom article but most of the facts in there are accurate.
Basically based on what I heard and think,our main problems are:
- Lack of financial incentives for parents and kids at lower level, or other way to prevent the likes of City to poach our talents at U9-U12s level.
- Lack of recruitment effort at U14-U16s level.Most of our best talents are either signed at U18s level (Pogba,Januzaj,Pereira,Fosu-Mensah etc) or already at the club since 8-11 (Wilson,Pearson,Lingard,Morrison,Tuanzebe,Gribbin...) .Especially we don't seem to go for English best talents at 14-16 these days.The likes of Chelsea,Liverpool and Man City sign some of their best talents at these ages.
- Coaching levels at a few age groups.
What we are doing now is sending our best talents who have scholarships to a partnership school (as the article has mentioned).Though the problem is lying mainly with the U9s-U12s age groups as we usually manage to keep hold of the players after that with the higher compensation fee required to poach them from us.Very rare that a player at these age groups already has scholarship and already transferred to that school unless he's really special so basically most of them are under no financial incentive at all plus low compensation fee made them easy target for Man City and sometimes Liverpool.They only need to know who are the best talents (which are very easy with the close connection between two clubs, some of our kids are close friend with some of their kids for example) then try to tempt the parents with financial incentives and education promise, and they have three years to do that.Imagine being a parent.
There are a few that have left us for City over the past few years but I think the article might got it mixed up.Can only recall Aidan Gorre but he was U9 when he left us and it was two years after we release Kenji.
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The bit about former players preferring to send their kids to city is ridiculous. It's not as if United are a local club where you just send your kid because you play there. United don't have open trials and players have to be invited to the club. There is no indication that United tried to sign any of these players yet it's made out that they chose City over us. The article also ignores the fact that there are a number of ex players kids in the academy. Although there are problems in the academy a lot of the points in the article have been sensationalised to a degree and it's a bit strange that in an article called Manchester United being left behind in youth development there is little talk about the actual development of players and more talk about the recruitment and monetary side of things and a number of things other than actual football. Surely the main aim of youth development is to bring players through rather than have the bragging rights about having a larger academy stadium and shiny new academy buildings. City's underage recruitment is a complete scatter gun approach where they sign a high number of players who realistically have no chance of ever being good enough. There are a number of problems in Uniteds academy structure which Need to be addressed and more money does need to be put into the underage setup rather than expecting things to continue as they have been for years but until City actually bring through some of these players I don't see how were being left behind in youth development
We are, we cooperate with the local school and pride us of giving good education.
We do have full time coaches, the EPPP states a requirement for full time coaches in each stage for Cat 1 Academies, we have two in the foundation stage, one of which has just won coach of the year, there's no point having anymore as in these lower age groups the kids only train evenings & weekends.
Regarding Education, the club has a partnership with a school in Ashton on Mersey, all the best kids are given a good education.
The problem is City are playing catch up and are offering these incentives to poach our and other local clubs best talent. Utd's approach has always been if you want to leave, no problem we will replace you with somebody better.
Surely with all the money we generate, we should be looking at creating our own facility that provides in house education, which would allow for more time spent on the football pitch which inturn would create better footballers. Im sure this is what la masia does and I get the feeling this is what City are trying to do also.