Interesting comments from Guendouzi today. Looks like maybe he didn't make the smartest choices. I doubt Arteta wants him or needs him now.
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I've never been with the idea of missing out on Europe being a good thing. It's a squad game and all these clubs have masses upon masses of players.
If there are too many games, simply prioritise certain competitions and use others to give opportunities to younger players.
For example in Arsenal's case, Reiss Nelson and Eddie Nketiah have been sent back down to the U23s! So we clearly don't have enough matches to go around.
Participate in as many competitions as possible and use the squad. Now I know nobody really wants to be in the new Europa Conference League competition, but if we were I'd use it and the Carabao for the likes of Nelson, Nketiah and Martinelli to get game time.
If there are too many games, simply prioritise certain competitions and use others to give opportunities to younger players.
For example in Arsenal's case, Reiss Nelson and Eddie Nketiah have been sent back down to the U23s! So we clearly don't have enough matches to go around.
Participate in as many competitions as possible and use the squad. Now I know nobody really wants to be in the new Europa Conference League competition, but if we were I'd use it and the Carabao for the likes of Nelson, Nketiah and Martinelli to get game time.
Im not sure about this. I think every club is unique and Arteta finds himself in a wholly different situation.
Wenger did so much for Arsenal but one damaging thing he did towards the end of his reign was have a very relaxed attitude to certain stars and their behavior. The likes of Ozil was almost allowed to pick and choose his games and Wenger covered for him because of his ability.
From the outside, it looked like arsenal had lost their fight and discipline under him and that didn’t improve under Emery.
I think Arteta is trying to instill order and he still has some more bad eggs to flush out. Maybe he wants to see an appropriate reaction from his captain before the summer.
Well, he went to Hertha so, yeah that's safe to say
exactly. In rebuild years the EL is a nice taster for a few games for your young fringe players. The only thing with us is if we are in it then Maguire Bruno and Rashford are still probably playing 99% of the matches. We were able to debut amad and shoretire this season and that’s been the best thing about the competition for me so far. I’d rather we consolidate second this season because I don’t think we have enough to go flat out in everything and not lose important players to fatigue and injury. The squad is still too thin in depth and quality. I think at this stage an improving second is a better sales pitch for incoming players of a certain standard than EL finalists/winners and 4th place.
This isn't unique to Wenger. Player power has been increasing for ages and even SAF had to deal with it, kicking boots at Beckham or whatever.
Guendouzi has learned a good lesson early on in his career that he might actually take it on board.
He did the right thing. He's trying to impose a culture change at Arsenal. He's managed to root out some 'bad eggs', & high earners that were doing very little. He's trying to make it a more professional & disciplined club, which in turn creates a better focus for improving results long term.
He has many young players in the team / squad. If he let's a senior player, never mind his captain, get off with being late on more than 1 occasion, then what sort of message & example will that set out to them?
Guendouzi looked like a brilliant talent to me, in the limited games I saw. He played with a lot of determination too. Am I wrong? I'm guessing you've seen more.
If not then I think you'd be better off accepting he's learnt his lesson and bring him back. Your team is shaping up nicely and he could be a big player for you.
Good but indisciplined. Regularly got bookings and reds. An attitude problem doesn't bode well. I'd let somebody else try and make a career for him as we already have enough boneheads giving away penalties and catching reds.
Hmm I'm not going to lie, based on what I saw I'd take him here. I'd say he's exactly what we need if he keeps developing. It feels rather rash to let a talent like that leave because of something that comes from, most probably, a lack of maturity.
Especially in your position where you are rebuilding and probably don't have big funds. I don't know, I just got that feeling you'd unearthed another good player but you seem to be giving up on him before he's even got going. Iron out the kinks and reap the rewards!
Well Arteta clearly saw enough to ship him out ASAP so I'd defer to his judgment on that. As you say, we really needed a player like him so it wasn't a decision taken lightly.
It's only a loan though, right? Like I said I've not seen much of him (5 or 6 games maybe) and Arteta does seem to have a good grip on things. It'll be interesting to see if he does bring him back or moves him on. Just my 2 cents, based on limited viewing!
I think Guendouzi is done at Arsenal and Arteta will try to ship him out if we can get any respectable amount. He had chances to change his attitude but he keeps repeating the same mistakes. Hertha's coach only got him for a few months and got to the same conclusion.
His problem isn't just the mistakes he made. The last straw was the incident at the end of the Brighton game, where he actually refused to acknowledge wrong doing or apologise to the manager. That's what seen him frozen out.
He's 1 of these lads that reek of self confidence bordering or arrogance, which isn't a bad thing if channeled correctly. However, I think he thought 1 of Europe's big guns would come in for him & hed move on to bigger & better things. Its not working out that way so far.
As a player, he has a lot of promise. If he can iron out things in his game, like his tendancy to get caught on the ball near his own goal & just fall expecting a foul (which is ironic as the players we have just seem to love to get caught on the ball), & to release the ball quicker, he'd go on to have a right good career.
Piers again talking shit. Any day back Arteta for this decision.
Watched a couple of games recently and it looks like Arteta is doing a lot right at the moment. The team or set-up is more balanced and they look sharper offensively.
He's a joke.
Surely he has to be sacked?
Arteta gets a big win (Utd and Spurs) and everyone says "omg hes another pep" then goes to shit in the next league game (Villa and West Ham).
Thread title needs to be changed to Football Genius after what Tierney said
Classic Arsenal boom-bust.
After their defeat at home to 10-man Olympiakos, Arsenalmania was giddy about how well they were doing and were favourites to win Europa (Ole is a bum and the rest of the teams are terrible) and should comfortably finish top 6 and take at least 25 points from their remaining 10 games.
Losing 3-0 to Lingard and Moyesie
After their defeat at home to 10-man Olympiakos, Arsenalmania was giddy about how well they were doing and were favourites to win Europa (Ole is a bum and the rest of the teams are terrible) and should comfortably finish top 6 and take at least 25 points from their remaining 10 games.
Losing 3-0 to Lingard and Moyesie
I think his futures hinges on the EL but I don't think they'll sack him anyway. Maybe once the fans are back and if things are still shit they might.
He'll get a pass from the media because the narrative will be "All their eggs are in the Europa League basket now".
Mid table manager.
Arsenal should be able to beat Villareal (assuming they go through vs Slavia) and then it's only one game against whoever they play against in the final. I'd rather play City in a cup final then Arsenal, it is just 1 game and except that 2019 Europa league final loss I don't think they've lost a cup final since Birmingham in 2011.
At a mid table club!
They just lost at home with Olympiakos and are getting destroyed by West Ham.
Slavia Prague put out Leicester and Rangers with ease. I would be surprised if Arsenal got past them to be honest.
I think to assume at this stage that Arsenal get past both them and a team like Villarreal is extremely optimistic.
Never post 20 mins into a game
Doesn't change anything. Their squad is good enough to finish in Top6.Never post 20 mins into a game
The kneejerk reactions in here are priceless.
They're four points behind top six... hardly a million miles away!
It seems like his players might finally be fighting for him, perhaps he needs to shift out the big personalities and keep those who will put in a shift. Ødegaard has been a good signing but might only be temporary.
I still don't see him taking Arsenal back to the top though.
I still don't see him taking Arsenal back to the top though.
The kneejerk reactions in here are priceless.
Its 29 games into the season and they are 9th, having lost 11 times. I don’t think it’s knee jerk just because he has scrapped a point against west ham.
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Pep Guardiola if he didn't have hundreds of millions to blow every year.
Who are 5th in the table...
Context my friend is everything.
It's kneejerk to say he should be sacked whilst three nil down, only for the team to get a point away from home, against a team fighting for top four.
Leaves Arsenal as an outsider still for top six.
No, it requires being able to actually watch a game and see the difference in how the team plays. But it's easier to just point and laugh like a twit and not really see what's happening.
Main focus will be on Europa League now, probably similar to what Mourinho did with you guys.
4 points off 6th currently .
And 3 points ahead of 12th placed Leeds.