Media absolutely love the guy. But I'm starting to wonder how long that will last. His tactics are killing his main striker and best player. He's been backed by the board in the summer and I can't see them being any more successful than last season.
Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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But atleast with wenger and even emery you were creating chances and dominating games. Now you are not even creating anything. Partey wouldn't help you create. Also it's not like willock is playing bad then ok maybe one may say yes get a proper 10 and you will dominate but it's not like that. The issue comes with the manager for me in this case.
I am not even making this up but Wolves looked more entertaining to watch than you lots today and that is not good for a club like arsenal.
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Honestly think he is worse than Emery. This new trend of thought that every Guardiola assistant will turnout into a great manager is a fantasy. Domenec Torrent in Brasil was a disaster and Arteta so far doesn’t look better. Tbh maybe the problem is bigger than their recent coaches, but it’s another story.
Think my comments couldn’t be more apt this weekend.
Burnley aside, he’s got a tricky fixture list to navigate between now and the new year.
At times we were, at other times like near the end under Wenger & big parts under Emery we were getting dominated by the likes of Palace & Watford.
Todays team was basically the same team Emery had, but with Gabriel & Willian. Do we honestly think that's enough of an improvement to elevate the team?
Partey wouldn't help us create, but the hope would be that he could offer better protection to the back line & at least offer us a bit of pace & athleticism in midfield. Just seen tonight he's out for a few more games, so that's a massive loss. Basically he'll have played about 3 games since signing & we'll be well into December before he's fit enough. We're just not good enough to cover that loss.
You say Wolves looked more entertaining, and I agree, because they had players that fit what they are trying to do today. Theres about 4 or 5 players I'd take at Arsenal. Same with Leicester. That's pretty damning of where we are.
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Quality
I've been saying this privately to some of my closest friends. Their win against us was kinda lucky. They did the minimum, which was stopping us from playing, created little and needed a pk, stupidly given away by Pogba, to win. If Ole had done better, and reacted to Arteta stopping our diamond correctly, it could have been different.
As it is, Arsenal and Arteta were praised for winning against us, when all they did was do just enough to draw.
As it is, Arsenal and Arteta were praised for winning against us, when all they did was do just enough to draw.
Ridiculous. He seems like he doesn’t know how to get them playing in a way that allows them to create chances/control games.
They’re second best most of the time.
I really don't know where the hype of him being a master tactician comes from. What a woeful start by arsenal.
That list..I am not familiar with that site, but if the person writing that gets paid, then hes certainly stealing a living
This is hardly a vintage Arsenal side, but there are some good attacking players there. Lacazaette, Willian, Auba and Pepe range from very decent to quite good. Midfield is also decent. Bellerin, Saka and Eleny are decent players, where as Partey would get into most teams in the league imo.
Auba has shown hes a "30 goals a season striker".If he gets chances he will score. The problem right now is that hes getting zero service. Part of the problem is the lack of create midfielders, but a bigger part is how cautious Arsenal have become under Arteta, both the defense and the midfield are sitting incredibly deep when defending, and when you do win the ball there is a long way forward with very few players to play to
Everyone knows that this was vs Dundalk, when Arsenal were 3-0 up at the time dont they?
I agree in part, but part of the reason why I think he sits deep is because he doesn't trust the players he has in midfield on the defensive side. The main reason I say this is because when we had Partey & Elneny available at Old Trafford I was happy with how high we pressed at times, but without them he seems to want to sit deeper.
Partey was meant to be the new lynchpin in midfield, & he's played 90mins twice. Elneny coming back from Covid. Means that he has to play Xhaka & Ceballos together, & they are just so easy to play through at times.
We should still be doing better on the creative side, I agree, but we lack real quality there. Last night we are relying on a 19 year old Saka, Joe Willock & an aging Willian. Just doesn't scream top class at all.
Im not saying he needs 10 new players or anything like that. We need to get our injured players back, and see if we can add a 1 or 2 more & see if we can get the balance & quality better. Problem is will the support give him time for this.
Arsenal are a very average team/squad managed by a worse manager. Arsenal at least have to score goals and be entertaining, now they are just a fraction better defensively (as far as setting up at least), but alarmingly weaker going forward. One step forward, two steps back. A manager needs to focus on strengths in the short-term and buy better players to cover weaknesses, but now he plays in a way that will only work with better defenders. So does he know that he will be given time (thus staying to his future tactic even though it doesn’t work now) - or is he just naive? Winning with defensive tactics will keep you in a job, losing will get you sacked quickly.
Either way, there is no point focusing on Arsenal/Arteta relative to Manchester United and the struggles we are going through. Arsenal are no contender for top 4 and none of their players would get into the bigger sides except for Aubameyang, if at all. Arsenal should be happy with 7th place this season, even before it started - they are fighting with Everton and Leicester at best, but should worry about Wolves, Soton and even Aston Villa at this point. Very far away from being a team, mentally weak and lack creativity.
Either way, there is no point focusing on Arsenal/Arteta relative to Manchester United and the struggles we are going through. Arsenal are no contender for top 4 and none of their players would get into the bigger sides except for Aubameyang, if at all. Arsenal should be happy with 7th place this season, even before it started - they are fighting with Everton and Leicester at best, but should worry about Wolves, Soton and even Aston Villa at this point. Very far away from being a team, mentally weak and lack creativity.
Arsenal have big wages going into older players like Auba and Willian for the next few seasons. I can’t see them altering personnel a great deal.
Arsenal could be in a world of pain going into the new year if they don’t figure things out.
Arsenal could be in a world of pain going into the new year if they don’t figure things out.
That tier list will forever make me laugh. Solskjær "sacked soon". Moyes "criminally underrated". Arteta "elite manager" based on zero evidence
I just love it when the Gooners loose. So I hope he stays there for ages.
Ozil, Mustafi, Luiz, Sokratis all out of contract in the summer, Kolasinac, Lacazette, Torriera, Guendouzi, Chambers, Maitland-Niles bare minimum all likely to be available for transfer. We should be able to trade if we are brave enough to embrace change.
I think Arteta does have something about him as a head coach/manager. I get the feeling it shouldn’t have been straight in to the Arsenal job where the pressure is pretty high. That FA Cup win is probably looking more like a curse right now with the raised expectations.
Aubameyang has been rank this season so far and they desperately need someone creative in midfield and don’t mention the O word. They basically need a Bruno.
Aubameyang has been rank this season so far and they desperately need someone creative in midfield and don’t mention the O word. They basically need a Bruno.
They were constantly giving up shots against them under Emery and I saw some kind of stat yesterday saying that Wolves had had their most shots on target in that first half of any of their PL games so far since they had come up
So it doesn't look like Arteta's defensive tactics have solved the problem
So it doesn't look like Arteta's defensive tactics have solved the problem
Bearing in mind how much of a doubter you've been re Ole, this is an exceptionally hilarious take.
I'm amazed that Arsenal's results are suprising to anyone. It cannot be to anyone who bothered to look at their underlying numbers and ignored the drivel they spout in the media. Goals don't come out of thin air.
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Whats hilarious is your lazy comparison If Arteta spent 250m and was in his 3rd season then sure.
Not to mention like with Ole, I've said Arteta needs to pick up too.
We’ve been trying to get rid of loads of players every year for some reason we’ve struggled - hopefully your transition will be smoother.
Ozil off the books will be huge though
Over the past two seasons, our net spend has been more than Arsenal by a mighty 30m, and if we're to consider this season only, then it's a difference of 3m
Net spend is relevant when judging transfer business by executives but it's not as relevant when looking at new managers is it? Is it Arteta's fault that Arsenal fecked up on Pepe who is not remotely as marketable as Lukaku was for Ole?
Just to be clear I've been very consistent with both. The media weren't rallying for an Ole sack when he struggled in the first half of last season and they wouldn't with Arteta as of yet. Especially when he's won an FA Cup in his first season. What I've been saying for some time on the thread though, is that Arteta needs to get his balance right before its too late. No manager can afford the run he's on.
Quite curious why is he not playing Saliba? Yes he is 19 but he was a regular for St. Etienne so he can start ahead of Holding or Mustafi.
The replies are actually superb
When your brain suddenly plays Emery's "good ebening" on repeat.
only for description, made me laugh
I'm sure there are issues behind the scenes that are beyond pointing to Arteta. Saliba, the decision for Ozil (might well be related to his social media outburst against China). Even on Pepe they launched an investigation and sacked a senior member of the board.
Klopp spent more than 350m to win CL & the league. Mourinho spent more than 350m for only for short term one year 2nd place and collapsed like a building that can’t stand anymore after being built for a year. The season when Poch was backed with lot of money was the season when he failed and lost his job.
No point just blindly talking about money and budget if you can’t spend on the right players. Is Arteta even capable to do that? Not easy to spend bigger money. But Ole is doing good job in that aspect.
No one is blindly talking about money and a budget. Ole has been in the role 6 months longer, has spent more and is held to the same level of evaluation, i.e. pick up consistency relative to the quality of your squad or risk the sack. I've said the same in Arteta.
It's more blind to just bring in Klopp and Mourinho into it as you have, Jose spent his money and took United 2nd in their highest points total since SAF. He got sacked after failing to sustain his consistency thereafter and alienating the dressing room.
Klopp spent his money and challenged for the title and reaching a CL Final, then he won the title + Champions League. Poch reached the end of a cycle and got sacked after prolonged bad domestic form. I don't think the summer Poch was suddenly backed heavily was one where he spent similar outlays to Klopp or Mou or Ole though. He had what, £50m on Ndombele was his biggest breakthrough transfer and that was roughly that for the summer.
The consistency in all the named managers is they get sacked if the club crashes in the league. If Arteta continues this way he will too. If Ole continued his bad start in the league, he would have too.
My only context between the two managers is that one has not really been able to get what he really needs in the transfer market relative to the other (bar Partey of course). With Ole for example if he couldn't get Grealish they at least brought in Donny who was on his list as a 2nd. If he couldn't get Sancho they at least brought Cavani as a dimension to the attack. Arteta doesn't have that, which in part is why he's stuck on a rigid defensive system. But the balance is all wrong and if he can't get it right he'll get sacked - he has better teams than most the sides Arsenal face so whilst transfers provides context it doesn't fully mitigate Arteta's blame.
Also re. the bold bit - what a laugh. A lot of money was wasted on Maguire. Arteta has only really brought in Partey, Gabriel, Tierney and all are seen to be very good players so it's odd you suddenly doubt whether Arteta is capable of spending money well.
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Somewhat understandable with Ozil's situation although arteta said he was left out for footballing reason. But Saliba one is strange. He was highly rated and even termed Mbappe of centre backs so why is he not picked and groomed. He was playing first team football in French league so he can definitely be in the senior squad. Weird one to say the least.
350m plus was enough for Klopp to win CL and PL trophy. But 350m plus wasn’t enough for Mourinho? Cut the excuses.
Spending more money is also part of skills/ability from manager to know who they need to spend. Ole has shown good in this aspect, he knows what he needs to spend and the area he needs to improve and he used his money well enough. You should’t mention the spending because Arteta hasn’t shown enough in this aspect.
What we know and we can compare is that, some players that were labeled as not good enough under Mourinho are now improving under Ole. Rashford, Martial, Fred and etc for example, that’s progress. While some players that were labeled as not good enough under Emery are not improving under arteta and the ones who actually rated high under Emery like guendouzi is being poor managed by arteta, that’s not progress.
I think he's simply a yes-man plus he's cheap. However they have some tough, tough games in December: Spurs and Everton away, Saints and Chelsea home, City in league cup.