This is nonsense. He was Arsenal captain and a big personality for us who really influenced the dressing room.
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This is nonsense. He was Arsenal captain and a big personality for us who really influenced the dressing room.
Sorry. You're right. He influenced your team to many a league title. They even wrote songs about him.
Arsenal's achievement during his time was to regularly qualify for CL and then get knocked out in RO16 or earlier. Shocked that neutrals didn't look at him and see two Vieiras.
Get your point about those looking at him from the outside, but he must have had something about him personality wise from those who actually knew him, to be made captain of those teams, to be earmarked early that he was going to potentially make a very good coach / manager that Wenger wanted him to stay and join his coaching staff, that Pep lured him away, that he was Josh Kronkes choice to be manager ahead of Unai Emery. This is a guy that’s almost been ‘fast tracked’ from those that know him.
However, I get your point, it doesn’t seem as obvious or a traditional leader personality wise as an Adams or a Vieira. However, we also know football management is full of those failed type of leaders.
If I was a Gooner I wouldn't care less that people disliked Arteta. I have long felt though that his level of intensity is ultimately counter productive, and a strong contributing factor as to why Arsenal eventually falter come crunch time.
I liked him at Everton and as a player but he's transformed into a complete cock as a manager.
I personally don’t care, I find it funny more than anything.
I also think the impact of his (or any manager’s) behaviour on the touchline is hugely overblown. Positively or negatively.
It was tactical, he was training fine days before the game and klopp said in his pre match interview when specifically asked if he was on the bench because of his comments about the stamp on his foot in the previous game, he said no and that Darwin is a great weapon to bring off the bench in these types of games. He also said something along the lines of Darwin has played a lot of minutes lately whereas Gakpo hasn't so thought it would as good time to change to keep the energy up.
He also admitted it might have been a mistake https://www.thisisanfield.com/2024/...s-vs-arsenal-maybe-should-have-started-nunez/.
Given how dangerous he has looked the last month or two he should have started anyway but with no Salah threat he was absolutely necessary.
So we used to bottle it under Wenger because he had no spine and now we bottle it under Arteta because he's too intense?
There really is an opinion for everything in football
Well I only said one of those things, so I'm not too sure what the point of your post is. It's not ridiculous to suggest that a season under an intense leader can take its toll on a group.
I think some of the emotions he displays could also be linked to this being his first ever managerial job. He might mellow down with experience.
It was a huge risk that Arsenal took with appointing him and giving him the keys to revamp the squad. So it must be a huge relief when he sees his methods work against the best coaches in the world.
It was a huge risk that Arsenal took with appointing him and giving him the keys to revamp the squad. So it must be a huge relief when he sees his methods work against the best coaches in the world.
Very ignorant
We all know everyone thinks he’s a bit of a knob.
Is anyone coming close to changing their mind of him as a coach though?
https://x.com/moarsenal86/status/1754419837944660106?s=46
Is anyone coming close to changing their mind of him as a coach though?
https://x.com/moarsenal86/status/1754419837944660106?s=46
Depends if he wins a trophy or not this season.
Not for me. Always felt that he’s done a wonderful job in transforming the Arsenal team and getting them to where he got them. Credit to Arsenal for staying patient too.
but he’s still a knob
I don't think he'll win a trophy this season, as i think City are just too strong and relentless when it really matters just now, and i think there's still some question marks over the Arsenal squad in terms of quality / fitness. I think as a group they are starting to believe they can beat anyone on their day, but i don't think they have the same relentless drive that City do quite yet over a 38 game season.
It's a strange season in many ways. Last season because of the first 6 months, expectations were raised massively, which has meant this season everyone including Arsenal fans have been comparing this season to last, but 50 points at the half way stage just skewed everything.
This season has been more steady this far, obviously not quite hitting the heights of the first 6 month of last season, but trying to make everything a bit more solid and stable, and more controlling. I think this will benefit the team over the next couple of seasons more.
The FA Cup exit has been the black mark on the season for me so far, i was disappointed to go out so early, but that was a game settled on fine margins, we didn't take our early chances and got suckered punched right at the end.
Not winning a trophy with the time he's been there and the money spent will be a failure ulimately. One trophy in 4-5 years and going out of the domestic cups so early this season is poor showing. That Liverpool win could be huge though. If you end up not winning the title but being only 1-3 points off I think he will have just shown enough that there is a possibility next year could be a good one, especially with Klopp gone, but if you end up having a bad spell again and you're 5-10 points adrift, I just don't think he has that extra step in him to take you to a title that the elite managers like Klopp, Pep et al. do.
Trying to give Arteta credit for a game he lost 3-1, but had good possession stats in seems a bit desperate.
In that game, he played straight into Pep's hand. City voluntarily gave up possession and Arteta was schooled. So weird to use that specific game as a testament to his tactical acumen, it goes straight against it.
I mean, he's 41 years old. What more do you want?
Perhaps, but it also shows the evolution even the past 12 months, and that sometimes if you start to get the underlying things right, it’s a good foundation for future performances.
By the way, this honestly wasn’t really to blow smoke up Arteta’s arse, it’s more to bring the discussion back to Arteta as a coach, as I think it’s quite unanimous folk see him as a knob.
I’m just wondering if any opinions are starting to change, even the few Arsenal fans on here who aren’t having him, or is it purely going to come down to trophies at he end of the day?
I don't think that particular game shows anything in favor for Arteta. Like @Rooney in Paris pointed out he was schooled.
I wouldn't say my opinion is starting to change on Arteta - it changed during last season. I thought he was clueless in his first period at Arsenal, but now he appears to be a quite competent coach. He has Arsenal playing some good really good stuff. I'd be quite positive about the future, if I was an Arsenal fan. Klopp is buggering off, and maybe Pep will soon follow. Arsenal are in a good position to challenge again over the next few years, and maybe the conditions will be right for a title win - who knows?
Yeah, some had changed opinion last season, some hadn’t, some seen last season as a fluke, so it was more a question of has he changed any more doubters mind?
If you are brave enough to go on and have a squint on Arsenal Mania from time to time, there’s a good few posters on there just not having him at all, seems to be more vitriol directed to him on there at times than on rival forums.
Maybe it's just a reaction to having gone through 3,5 pretty bad seasons, before things actually turned good. I guess that resentment could linger for some fans, making it hard to see things with fresh eyes. Essentially it would just be confirmation bias. They thought he was rubbish, and are invested in that position.
My opinion on him is the same as last year's - decent coach who just comes up short in some of the key aspects and probably has taken Arsenal as far as he could (which is already pretty good).
I agree with this.
He's better than I thought but I also think people overcorrected too much after criticizing him in previous seasons.
Honest, that’s what I think it is. The forum itself is a bit mental anyway, think that’s part of the reason you see so many Arsenal fans on here. It says a lot that rival fans on here can sometimes find it easier to have sensible discussions about their own club on here than compared to their own forums.
Respect both your opinions. So, is it simply the fact that he has to win 1 of the major trophies?
I think if Arsenal had an impressive CL campaign (let's say narrowly missing an appearance in the final), that would solidify his reputation.
Doing a Klopp and either getting to the CL final/winning that or being in the title race until the final week or two would up my opinion also.
This is pretty fair. Though if he sticks around long enough for both Klopp and Pep to leave, then even if this is as far as he can take us that may very well be good enough for serious honours.
Also, if (as everyone says) we are just a top striker away from being a serious force, that's actually not too difficult to rectify in the Summer.
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I'd take him over ETH. Has put together some super performances against City and Liverpool.
Fair points guys, thanks. I came across this as well, and again this isn’t to blow smoke up Artetas arse, it’s more that this leads more to a general discussion of underlying stats vs actual results and performances, and how much weight you put into underlying stats, and how much patience you give a manager who might struggle to take the final step of winning those top trophies.
https://x.com/whoscored/status/1754454066217074805?s=46
https://x.com/whoscored/status/1754454066217074805?s=46
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I stand corrected. Apparently Klopp invented the fist bump and any other manager who does the same is copying him.
Something so trivial like the opposition celebrating a victory has really got under their skin.
As long as Arsenal finishes in top 4, and the performance is good to watch, to me Arteta has done a great job. Man Utd and Chelsea spent more money and both of them are not in a better position than Arsenal either.
If only spending money was the only way to guarantee success?
Both United and Chelsea have had changes in manager, staff and ownership. Arsenal have been settled for much longer (and have also spent a fortune themselves)
This whole idea that Arsenal spend less amount and Arteta is managing some mighty underdogs need to die. Arteta has spent crazy amount of money himself and yet somehow his expectations are top4 , no trophy but United manager is supposed to challenge for the title every season. Arteta has been longer than eth abd poch and has gotten enough backing. He was spending good money and finishing 8th and 5th. He spent insane money in the last 2 seasons, funnily almost similar or even more than Manchester United.
Saying Arteta is doing a good job is acceptable but bringing the money argument without any context is silly.
They obviously weren’t subjected to the ‘Ronnie Roar’ that Celtic fans used to do for their manager Ronnie Deila.
At what point does there become pressure to deliver though? We said the same about Klopp early on but I think we would've seen pressure build if nothing substantial (trophies) had been delivered. Even now Klopp is questioned because of the volume of success.
Arteta does eventually need to deliver a title. I understand your point of view though. When you haven't been good for a while, having a competent manager and a feel good factor is a nice feeling.
Spending since Arteta took over in Euros (because that's how Transfermarkt lists them):
Arsenal - 688m
United - 748m
Chelsea - 1.44b
So Arteta has spent 60m and 756m less than the Managers at United and Chelsea repsectively. And he's won a trophy.
For me, finishing a little behind Pep's City wouldn't be a mark of shame even if they didn't have 115 charges against them.