What was he on about? He should be absolutely slating Holding for being an idiot
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Totally lost it in that interview. Holding was lucky to stay on as long as he did.
Nah, totally get protecting his players. They're going into the business end of the season completely depleted.
What's the point in all the ref nonsense though? Just move on - sweep it under for what it is, a bad day at the office. Say that no one had them down to be going into the final 2 games of the season with top 4 in their control, which is true, and in spite of the result, Spurs would sooner be in their position. Points on the board is what decides it.
Very odd and should probably have waited a bit before facing the cameras.
If I speak, I am in big trouble.
He's awful, no European football this season might be enough to sneak it. Long term though, going nowhere.
I actually liked Arteta but that United game was a real eye opener for me. It was insane how bad they were in that one
Ironically the refereeing in that match was actually terrible, and arguably gifted Arsenal the 3 points!
One slightly soft penalty and someone correctly being sent off for their own stupidity and he looks like he's going to cry.
He'd have been on the phone to the samaritans if he'd been in our dugout for the game against them.
Today is a bad result but it is what it is. Two more games to play.
He is still going to make 4th, Spurs aren’t consistent enough and Arsenal will defeat N’Castle comfortably.
Arsenal can lose to any team so I am not sure about comfortably. If Arsenal can't win the remaining 2 games and Spurs can, then they deserve the 4th spot. On paper it is still on our hand.
About time.
That result was on the cards.
That result was on the cards.
Arteta for sure still has a lot to learn as a head coach/manager.
Lacks class, quite simply.
2 birds one stone. Now he's hitting out at Fabinho (reasonably) under disguise, too.
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Conte or how to or etend you don’t complain while complaining…
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Just shows what a pussy Arteta is.
I’m baffled by the many here who have been talking up both him and Arsenal as what United should aim for.
Its clearly just replicating Oles tenure. One step forward two back. No real progress despite being several years in.
Not for me but great if Arsenal want to carry on with it
Its clearly just replicating Oles tenure. One step forward two back. No real progress despite being several years in.
Not for me but great if Arsenal want to carry on with it
Yeah, Arsenal are obviously hurting in the back. Maximin will be creating a tremendous amount of trouble for an Arteta defense that resorts to fouling the attacking players. Newcastle haven't had great results, of recent, versus the top 4 on the table, but Arsenal look like a wounded dog, at this point.
Highlight being the post match handshake between the two managers ..…Arteta proving what a classless wanker he is.
Always feel for a guy who has achieved nothing he has such a huge ego. He doesn't even look like someone from outside who you would like to have a chat with. You never got that feeling with even the most arrogant successful managers.
feck him the jumped up cnut and his cnuty players. Used up all their luck against us and gave it the bug un.
Classless sulky wankers like Klopps boys.
Classless sulky wankers like Klopps boys.
Arsenal should've tried to put a team out in mid Jan...pretty sure Son was actually injured when the fixture was originally due to be played.
Arsenal should've tried to put a team out in mid Jan...pretty sure Son was actually injured when the fixture was originally due to be played.
Exactly
He should have got a straight red for that challenge on Son.
I hope Spurs pip them to the CL.
He will likely get that 4th place anyway, because they play a couple of awful teams in the last fixtures, but as i've said earlier, i don't find it all that impressive tbh.
Getting CL is nothing special. Arsenal are not playing top level football. Every time I watch them, they look midtable good e.g westham or wolves levels. Nothing amazing about their football but the hype arteta gets is amazing. They will be back in this grind next season unless they drastically improve their style of play. I think they are basically following the Ole path with the only difference being that arteta is actually playing the youth while ole refused to do that. Eitherway, I Honestly wouldnt take arteta at manutd for free...atleast not until I see him take the next step in his coaching
There is a thin line between the two and He just lacks that extra something to nudge him off from the the side of unlikable delusions of grandeur to a charismatic leader .
I would like to see Spurs get top 4 ahead of them just to see if/how the narrative on him shifts. I do not dislike Arteta, though thus far I am yet to see him as any different to Ole/Lampard/Gerrard in managerial terms, but the amount of praise he gets when there are managers like Potter doing much better is crazy.
It really feels like everyone has gotten it into their minds that because he worked with Pep that he has to have inherited some of Pep’s genius despite Pep being a generational manager, and they refuse to see otherwise when it comes to Arteta.
It really feels like everyone has gotten it into their minds that because he worked with Pep that he has to have inherited some of Pep’s genius despite Pep being a generational manager, and they refuse to see otherwise when it comes to Arteta.
I don't necessarily disagree with you, but how do you judge how good Potter is doing compared to Arteta if he is doing much better?
There are Twitter accounts like @nonewthing who every single day keep banging on about Mikel being the heir to Pep’s positional play revolution - the ultimate winning dominant playstyle, the end of football evolution, the way the game will be played if one day it is controlled by AI.
I like Arteta but boy does he come out with some odd statements sometimes. Even though he's done well this season if i was an Arsenal fan i'd be wanting to see if they could get Potter over the next year or two, won't happen though since Arteta signed a new deal. But i feel Potter would do excellent there and at some point one of the big 6 will take a chance on him, but he's be an excellent fit at Arsenal.
Quality of football is the most important metric, and Potter is miles ahead in that regard. To be fair he is ahead of most managers in the league in that regard but he plays positive attacking football. Imo Arteta’s brand of football isn’t very positive.
Then there’s performance relative to resources. Brighton are in 9th. Their wage bill is 15th which suggests significant over performance, and that’s usually the case with his Brighton team. By comparison Arsenal have the fifth highest wage bill, and you could argue that their fourth place position should be more secure considering how terrible their other two rivals for that spot have been this season including both teams having sacked their managers.
That’s a pretty fair take. My main criticism of him is that he sometimes selects purely based on experience. With Willian last season and Lacazette this season, he waited for injury or illness to take them out of the lineup. Those minutes then went to Smith-Rowe, Martinelli and Nketiah who have really grabbed their chance. But we dropped quite a few unnecessary points while they were made to wait for their opportunity.
In some senses he is very bold and decisive (Ozil / Aubameyang). But he can also be tentative at first when dispensing with model pros who are underperforming.
Yeah, hard to disagree really. I feel we have played some good stuff at times, but we've been inconsistent with it, & a lot of that is dealing with lack of quality squad depth.
I feel in certain areas, our drop off in quality is just too big. Tierney to Tavares, Tomiyasu to Cedric, Partey to Elneny being prime examples. It tends to turn our game chaotic, the game against Utd being a prime example.
I appreciate though, that's part and parcel of being a manager, to get not only a quality team but also a quality squad.
Also, the attack I don't think he's had the chance to rejig, & he'll do that this summer.
After a 2nd summer window, I'd be hoping for more quality, more consistency & more control in our general play next season. After this window, nearly all the players will be his. This will be his team his players, so we really need to see his image stamped on it next season.
And yeah, I'm a big fan of Potter.
The concern I see with Arsenal is that their numbers haven't changed that much relative to last season. They scored 55 and conceded 39 last season; they are on 56 for and 45 against this season, will likely end with a similar goal difference. Last season they had 18 wins, 7 draws, and 13 defeats; this season they have 21 wins, 3 draws, and 12 defeats. Basically a few draws have turned into tight, one-goal wins.
It's always possible that some of this improvement is just season-to-season variance, since xG/xGA is similar across both seasons too (according to FBREF).
(of course it's also possible that next season some of these defeats turn into draws)
It's always possible that some of this improvement is just season-to-season variance, since xG/xGA is similar across both seasons too (according to FBREF).
(of course it's also possible that next season some of these defeats turn into draws)
Not really. He's the only to have not won any trophies at the club. He did alright to finish in the top 4 but in terms of quality football, excellent in the collective/coaching, signings that are geared towards success, he did nothing. He was the ultimate false dawn manager - did enough to keep his job and many convinced we were doing fine but the underlying progress wasn't really there.
Hence people are using Ole as a cautionary tale. Despite two top 4 finishes the last 4 years feel like a waste of time for us. We could have used that to modernize this team into playing some progressive footy. And maybe win a few cups too.