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Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch
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They've got some really exciting young talents. So glad Arteta is their manager so they probably won't fulfil their potential.
He is a very clever guy, first he takes his side to a low and then wins some matches and all look great. I always maintain his greatest achievement with arsenal is lowering their standard that even a 6th position will be celebrated.
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Same. What makes it even more satisfying was how they scored and celebrated their first goal. Classless. I actually detest their club, (more specifically at their fanbase) more than Liverpool and City.
Very strong performance tonight, they’ve often struggled massively to create chances this season but it wasn’t a problem for them tonight. It’ll be interesting to see if they can build on that without sacrificing defensive stability.
They’re the youngest side in the league and it shows sometimes, often retreat into themselves when trying to hold on to a lead, so the red was pretty handy for them tonight.
They’re the youngest side in the league and it shows sometimes, often retreat into themselves when trying to hold on to a lead, so the red was pretty handy for them tonight.
They don't play very good football.
The hilarious thing he's (literally) brought himself more time with these signings he's made. Even at the end of a match they won easily the commentary team went out of the way to list the age of the players.
Unless he's has a massive collapse he's going to be able to hide behind the work in progress line for the next 2-3 season's.
I don't understand the power he seems to have, if he was a club legend you can almost get it but he's not.
I honestly don't get it. They wouldn't accept just 4th under Wenger and that was with arguably weaker squads for the last few years.
Consistent 4th place and regular decent runs in the CL. All with the tiniest fraction of the investment under Arteta. Wenger was sacked with a view to someone else taking them to the next level. Yet his time in charge seems like a golden era compared to these last 3 years. Absolutely incredible this guy still has a job.
Positive GD, we are firmly back in the top 6. Glory to Mikel !
It's amazing how consistent Wenger made them despite poor investments, it took me a while to realize that he wasn't doing a poor job as a coach. I wonder what he could do with their current team.
No worries, people did the same thing with Pochettino. Not many people have the capabilities to see beyond black and white. In this instant some fans gets comfortable and believe that their team are better than what they really are. Typically the team that spends the most and spend it on the right talent are the ones are the most successful. Their are a very few outliers but that is how football is runned.
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that's brutal.Arteta's man management skill need to improve as so far players he has frozen out for different reasons includes Saliba, Maitland Niles, Guendouzi, Ozil, and lately Aubameyang. On the other hand the young players are playing very well at the moment.
Easier to say that now but look at how many Arsenal fans wanted him gone at various points
i don't know about others but unless he is replaced with Conte back in summer i don't see better candidate available out there.
Right now no, but pretty sure this time last year he was called into question and earlier in the season at least
I’m not defending Arteta as I’m still on the fence about him but we are underachieving and they are where they should be.
The fact they lost their first 3 and even lost to us they shouldn’t be near us.
We are far superior to them but it’s don’t to us being poor than them being great
Well, exactly. And we fired our manager. They should be far ahead of us after our awful start to this season under Ole. Yet all we have to do is win our game in hand and they’re below us in the table. Which says it all really.
Watch the game tonight and besides the gift of the referee for the penalty and red card arsenal played really well.
I don't think Arteta is a manager capable of reaching titles with Arsenal but I do see them fight for top 4-6 with him.
I don't think Arteta is a manager capable of reaching titles with Arsenal but I do see them fight for top 4-6 with him.
United lost to Liverpool, City, Villa, Watford (
) and Leicester.Arsenal lost to Liverpool, City, Chelsea, Everton (
) and Brentford.We're all exactly where we deserve to be. It's weird how you all sound more angry at our table position than actual Arsenal fans. We'll probably finish 5th or 6th if we don't implode because there is at least 4 clubs with better players than us at the moment. Simple as that. If spending 160M was enough to comfortably be in the top 4, everybody would do it, it would pay for itself.
We had an absolutely rotten squad in terms of numbers/positions/ability and age. We will need and have 1 or 2 more windows of heavy investment. Will they be led by Arteta ? No idea, probably not. But whenever he gets the boot, he will leave behind a healthy group of players to work with.
I can agree with a lot of things that are not good enough with Arteta but right now who would we get that could be a unanimous choice ? Conte was available to both clubs and we let him grab his 20M check from Spurs for various reasons. We're sticking with the "internal cheap and young solution", you went for Ragnick and his "demands". To each his own.
That's a clear penalty, the tackle is anything but controlled, the fact that the defender touches the ball doesn't allow him to take everything after that. We're not in 1990 anymore.
They're a good side, very young as well. Room for a lot of improvement but I think they're in a better state than most people think. Just important they hold onto players like Saka and Smith-Rowe. However, I don't rate Odegaard.
Always feels like they are just on a similar trajectory to United under Ole (minus the cup semis/final and second place/top 4 finishes).
I mean in the sense they look rubbish for a bit then go on a bit of a run then go back again. Rinse repeat.
Just don't see the progress.
I mean in the sense they look rubbish for a bit then go on a bit of a run then go back again. Rinse repeat.
Just don't see the progress.
Well have to agree to disagree on this one mate, I'm of the idea that if the defender gets the ball first then the subsecuential contact is allowed when its not a wreckless challenge. I really dont know what the defenders are supposed to do? if the player has his leg close to the ball it's almost impossible to get it without afterwards contact.
This actually doesn't sound that bad on paper to be honest (except I personally liked Guendouzi's play style but could see he had a weird attitude).
Anyway, Are arsenal fans starting to peak across London and wondering what life would be like with Vieira as manager instead of Arteta - or are people happy with Arteta's work?
Very few fans are happy with Arteta's work. But if we're around the top four, it'd be hard to make a case for him to get the sack. This year the expectation was always a top 6 finish, we're still missing a midfielder and a striker. If we get both of those in next year the target can be top four and a sack.
I got my current tag for (persistently) arguing on Wenger's behalf despite the entire forum believing he was holding them back and there was someone (magical) out there who elevate them despite their meagre spending.
As much as I believe half of the criticism aimed at Arteta in this thread is fueled by some need to have him treated the same way Ole was... They'd be much better with Wenger in charge. No sympathy for them though, they hounded him out.
I don't agree, the game well and truly passed Wenger by almost as much as it has Jose.
There was a reason fans of both our clubs and more were chanting that they wanted him to stay.
There’s a fair argument to be made that he made do to the best of his ability during 11-14 and didn’t deserve the vitriol coming his way during that period, but after spending quite a bit in his last few years with transfers like Ozil and Sanchez and finished 3rd in a 2 horse race to Leicester and Spurs, you have to question his ability as a coach at that point.
I'd say 06-11 he defiently did, 11-14 can be debated both ways but 14 onwards was a shitshow of underperformance and comically bad recruitment (which very much contributed into sending them spiralling down the league in the following years). His Europa exit in 2018 was a fitting ending that summed up his late period at the club, Simeone with his side down to ten men made a sub to keep the score down and they still found a way to concede an away goal...
They were finishing in top 4 consistently (barring his last 2 seasons), and one could argue that with the players they had, they shouldn't have been doing better. Utd, City and Chelsea have had a better side and in the middle of last decade, you could argue that Poch had built a top side at Spurs as well. Pool were getting back on track.
Of course, one could argue that it was Wenger's job to build the side, but it's much tougher to find these gems once you are a big team
Around the 13-16 era he really should have capitalised and won (or atleast made a big challenge) for the league once possibly twice. Even the teams winning it weren't great and after being backed with the likes of Sanchez and Ozil he really should have capitalised.
Are arsenal fans looking at Vieira though as the next guy?
I mean Liverpool are talking about Gerrard when he maybe good but still a different level to Klopp - Viera is more in line with Arteta and has the ability to even be better.
I kind of wished you guys would have tried for Conte - I think he would have got you back up on a different style compared to the pretty football your team has been playing for way too long.
I don't rate fans' opinions that much. 90% of it is banter anyways
I'm speaking about a comparison between Wenger and Arteta. For all the former's flaws, he knew how to set up a team that could play progressive football going forward at least. Whether he's suited to the modern game or not, I don't know. Mourinho has demonstrated he's past it, in 4 jobs now? Wenger's time with Arsenal had probably run its course but it says little about his coaching ability.
Aye, there's been a long desire from football fandom to see Arsenal abandon the poof nonsense and play a little bit of 'ave it! football
Unless you haven't noticed Arsenal's pretty football went away with Wenger ,don't let occasional display of good football fool you because that's mostly exception not the norm under Arteta similar to Emery.
Arsenal mostly struggle to create chances or play decent football it's a Chore to watch them .