Mikel Arteta | Lego Pep watch

[mu4c_20le]

I think he should've proved himself at a club like Real Sociedad first, who are currently doing well after appointing one of their own from the reserves. If that was him at the helm right now, then I can see how he'd be highly sought after. It will be interesting to see how much they back him in the transfer market.

 

[MackRobinson]

Fans are really obsessed with CVs. It’s almost like the managerial careers of Pep and Zidane never existed...

 

[JazzG]

It's like appointing somebody who was a secretary to Microsoft's CEO as the CEO of Google and then asking - why would it not work. Because secretaries, generally speaking, are not doing CEO's jobs, even if they are in close proximity, and maybe you should have some relevant managerial experience, before you try to run a major organization.

That is a pretty poor comparison to make, he wasn't the kit man at Man City was he? He was Pep's assistant and looked like he worked closely with Pep at implementing their ideas. When you look into other reports of how Pep would sometimes let him take charge of training sessions, in some games let him make important decisions and how closely he worked with players like Sterling & Sane I'd say he had a pretty senior role at Man City.

Arsenal's biggest problem is a lack of defensive structure, lack of organization and defensive players that wave the white flag at every available opportunity. The big idea that we have is to get a second-rate rookie from Man City, a club with their own long-standing defensive problems? What makes anybody think Arteta could solve any of this? This is just a gamble which doesn't have any justification.

On what basis is he second rate?

As for Man City's long-standing defensive problems, again what is that based on? Last season only Liverpool had a better defensive PL record and in 17/18 they had the best defensive record in the league. This season they've got the 4th best defensive record and that is despite the major injury problems they've had in their back line. When you consider they probably play the most attacking football in the country over this period I'd say that defensive record isn't too bad.

 

[NewGlory]

You've basically done what we done with Ole,

Not the same. Ole was manager of Molde, then he managed Cardiff in EPL. Granted Cardiff was a disastrous experience, but it was an experience nevertheless and sometimes you learn from your failures more than from your success. After that Ole went back to Molde and won trophies - yes, in a small league but as a manager and still won trophies. And then he came back as caretaker, like you said.

Compared to Arteta - that's A LOT of experience as a manager. Maybe not enough to manage United, but day and night compared to Arteta's.

Fans are really obsessed with CVs. It’s almost like the managerial careers of Pep and Zidane never existed...

Again, not the same. Zidane and Pep inherited well-oiled machines for clubs, with superb structures. Having Txiki Begiristain for director of football, alone, meant the world. Arsenal is in ruins. And still Pep & Zidane stories are the exceptions. How many other stories like that do you know? You cannot look at a lottery winner and declare it's a norm.

 

[adexkola]

That is a pretty poor comparison to make, he wasn't the kit man at Man City was he? He was Pep's assistant and looked like he worked closely with Pep at implementing their ideas. When you look into other reports of how Pep would sometimes let him take charge of training sessions, in some games let him make important decisions and how closely he worked with players like Sterling & Sane I'd say he had a pretty senior role at Man City.



On what basis is he second rate?

As for Man City's long-standing defensive problems, again what is that based on? Last season only Liverpool had a better defensive PL record and in 17/18 they had the best defensive record in the league. This season they've got the 4th best defensive record and that is despite the major injury problems they've had in their back line. When you consider they probably play the most attacking football in the country over this period I'd say that defensive record isn't too bad.

Based on this idea that City can't defend and "can be got at", despite the actual number

 

[xonyo]

Why is it our business what experience managers of lower league clubs have? You can surely tell the difference between what's at stake if they get it wrong, between big clubs and small clubs. The point is, no seriously run top club would behave this way. Big clubs don't take risks like this, there's too much at stake. This is an appointment which is so reckless that for all intents signals that the board has pretty much given up on the club. The guy has no experience whatsoever, and they're just hoping and praying he succeeds.

Arsenal's biggest problem is a lack of defensive structure, lack of organization and defensive players that wave the white flag at every available opportunity. The big idea that we have is to get a second-rate rookie from Man City, a club with their own long-standing defensive problems? What makes anybody think Arteta could solve any of this? This is just a gamble which doesn't have any justification.

Was it reckless when Real appointed Zidane as manager? Or Pep at Barca? Does being manager of a reserve team make you much more ready for a top job than being assistant to a top job? Those jobs are perhaps the toughest in world football so why would a similar appointment be too risky for Arsenal? Arteta was considered a strong candidate for the job 18 months ago, so had the board given up back then as well? I'm not expecting Arteta to set the world alight, but I'm at least feeling optimistic he has the potential to be a good manager.

 

[mu4c_20le]

That is a pretty poor comparison to make, he wasn't the kit man at Man City was he? He was Pep's assistant and looked like he worked closely with Pep at implementing their ideas. When you look into other reports of how Pep would sometimes let him take charge of training sessions, in some games let him make important decisions and how closely he worked with players like Sterling & Sane I'd say he had a pretty senior role at Man City.

Phelan has worked closely with Sir Alex, takes charge of training sessions, and is basically his right hand man. Working alongside someone is completely different than the actual hot seat imo, for one thing they don't have any of the pressure. We don't even know how the players would respond to him if he was the boss.

Was it reckless when Real appointed Zidane as manager? Or Pep at Barca? Does being manager of a reserve team make you much more ready for a top job than being assistant to a top job? Those jobs are perhaps the toughest in world football so why would a similar appointment be too risky for Arsenal? Arteta was considered a strong candidate for the job 18 months ago, so had the board given up back then as well? I'm not expecting Arteta to set the world alight, but I'm at least feeling optimistic he has the potential to be a good manager.

They knew their clubs inside out. Does Arteta really have a strong link with Arsenal? I actually find it amusing how the situations seem to be reversed. Arteta should have gone to Everton, I think he is a bigger legend for them and was a much better player as well. Getting them back up the table shouldn't be too hard with the squad that they have, and would have done wonders for not only his CV but actual experience with taking full control of a football club, in a top league.

 

[littleman]

Was it reckless when Real appointed Zidane as manager? Or Pep at Barca? Does being manager of a reserve team make you much more ready for a top job than being assistant to a top job? Those jobs are perhaps the toughest in world football so why would a similar appointment be too risky for Arsenal? Arteta was considered a strong candidate for the job 18 months ago, so had the board given up back then as well? I'm not expecting Arteta to set the world alight, but I'm at least feeling optimistic he has the potential to be a good manager.

those were gambles and they worked out in a big way

g nev, henry, shearer, gattuso, maradona are more that haven’t worked out

it isn’t that arsenal is taking a gamble that bothers many MU fans — we don’t care about your club and the deeper it falls the better our chances for top 4

its that there’s quality out there and arsenal rolled the dice instead

ole was just an interim who did well and got a contract, if Jose was released end of season and ole was announced full time in the summer there would be just as many concerns here

 

[Tel074]

Short answer: he's done better than Unai Emery did with a better squad.

Longer answer:

Managed to bring back joy to the club and gave us amazing games like the one against PSG, City, and Spurs, all along laying the foundation for a rebuild by:
1. cleaning out much of dead weight
2. introducing youngsters in a tangible way
3. Improving existing players
4. Buying 3 players, all of which worked out, so far. Arguably - we bought too few, but at least whomever he bought none were flops. Which is way more than we can say about Moyes, LVG, and Mourinho before him.

In reality, his one big problem is inconsistency, but that is very much expected when you are doing a major rebuild. Other than that - he's doing a lot of positive, without creating any drama. Which takes some skill considering the mess of a situation he inherited.

We'll see if Arteta can achieve as much. I am certain, the answer is - no.

Great post I wish I could give it a like

 

[adexkola]

Fans are really obsessed with CVs. It’s almost like the managerial careers of Pep and Zidane never existed...

Almost like CVs have no fecking correlation to success on the job.

 

[fergieisold]

Spoke very well in his press conference, good luck to him!

 

[Bojan11]

Almost like CVs have no fecking correlation to success on the job.

Maybe because Zidane and Guardiola had world class squads, which Arteta doesn’t have. Zidane and Guardiola also had the luxury of the best players wanting to play for Barca and Madrid. Something which Arsenal don’t have too.

It’s a totally different scenario. It’s a risky appointment and nobody can really argue that. It could be a genius move or end in disaster.

 

[adexkola]

@edcunited1878 already wrote a very thoughtful explanation for this https://www.redcafe.net/goto/post?id=25065304 There is no way whatsoever of qualifying for a managerial job of any large organization (esp. major club) without any such previous experience. Especially when said club is in shambles and needs vast experience navigating the rebuild. He is unqualified, plain and simple, any chances of success here would be equal to that of winning a lottery. Possible - yes? Likelihood - extremely low.

It's like appointing somebody who was a secretary to Microsoft's CEO as the CEO of Google and then asking - why would it not work. Because secretaries, generally speaking, are not doing CEO's jobs, even if they are in close proximity, and maybe you should have some relevant managerial experience, before you try to run a major organization.

Glad you reached across to the business world for an analogy. Fortune 500 companies regularly promote promising VPs and executive directors up to the position of CEO all the time. They don't send VPs to a mom and pop and ask them to do the equivalent of "working their way up the ladder". The VPs are already delegated enough critical work that it is assumed that the step up to CEO isn't that steep. And it works a lot.

I'm not sure why you're teaching all the way down to administrative secretary for an analogy. If that was Arteta's role (secretary) then I wouldn't be arguing this stance would I? I'm saying that all evidence points to him playing a significant role in City's training and match management. He has his badges (which is, as far as I'm aware, the only requirement needed in order to manage).

But let's go back to the bolded. What manager in Europe is qualified enough to oversee this massive rebuild? Because in order to be qualified according to you, such a manager needs to demonstrate that he has overseen such a rebuild from ruin. What managers are out there and available?

 

[NewGlory]

Glad you reached across to the business world for an analogy. Fortune 500 companies regularly promote promising VPs and executive directors up to the position of CEO all the time. They don't send VPs to a mom and pop and ask them to do the equivalent of "working their way up the ladder". The VPs are already delegated enough critical work that it is assumed that the step up to CEO isn't that steep. And it works a lot.

I'm not sure why you're teaching all the way down to administrative secretary for an analogy. If that was Arteta's role (secretary) then I wouldn't be arguing this stance would I? I'm saying that all evidence points to him playing a significant role in City's training and match management. He has his badges (which is, as far as I'm aware, the only requirement needed in order to manage).

But let's go back to the bolded. What manager in Europe is qualified enough to oversee this massive rebuild? Because in order to be qualified according to you, such a manager needs to demonstrate that he has overseen such a rebuild from ruin. What managers are out there and available?

Because the role difference of an assistant coach to a club manager is like executive assistant to a CEO, it's not like a VP to CEO. CEOs delegate things they don't do to executive assistants and EAs are very privy to everything CEO does but they rarely have skills to do what CEO does - specifically they do not do people management and they do not report to the board. The same for assistant coaches, their function is extremely limited and they mostly do things that manager does not. They are not the same as VPs at companies.

VPs do things similar to what CEO does, but for a portion of a company. So if you really want to compare anybody to a VP - that would be managers of B teams, but definitely not - assistant coaches.

But let's go back to the bolded. What manager in Europe is qualified enough to oversee this massive rebuild? Because in order to be qualified according to you, such a manager needs to demonstrate that he has overseen such a rebuild from ruin. What managers are out there and available?

There are a whole bunch of them, but the obvious one, mate! Pochettino! How do you hire Arteta, when Poch is looking for a job?!

 

[adexkola]

Maybe because Zidane and Guardiola had world class squads, which Arteta doesn’t have. Zidane and Guardiola also had the luxury of the best players wanting to play for Barca and Madrid. Something which Arsenal don’t have too.

It’s a totally different scenario. It’s a risky appointment and nobody can really argue that. It could be a genius move or end in disaster.

Read what I said. I said CVs have no correlation to actual performance on the job. Which is why Emery has failed. Which is why LVG and Mourinho failed at United.

Barcelona chose Guardiola over Mourinho. By all indications that was a batshit decision. Madrid went with Zidane over the tons of managers with "experience". Managers with experience are getting fired every season. Experience doesn't count for shit, contrary to what the Caf (and fans in general) make it out to be.

 

[xonyo]

They knew their clubs inside out. Does Arteta really have a strong link with Arsenal? I actually find it amusing how the situations seem to be reversed. Arteta should have gone to Everton, I think he is a bigger legend for them and was a much better player as well. Getting them back up the table shouldn't be too hard with the squad that they have, and would have done wonders for not only his CV but actual experience with taking full control of a football club, in a top league.

Arteta was very well liked at Arsenal, he steadied the ship and played excellently for several years. Bear in mind he came in on deadline day, after Arsenal had lost Fabregas and been beaten 8-2. Wilshere was injured for the season after his breakout the year before, Ramsey and Song were basically the only midfielders, things looked like they were going to get ugly. He really kept the team together until Arsenal spent some real money on Ozil a few years later. He was basically the de facto captain when Arsenal broke their trophyless run in 2014 too. Him and Mertesacker were really appreciated by what they brought to the club off the pitch as well as on.

 

[adexkola]

Because the role difference of an assistant coach to a club manager is like executive assistant to a CEO, it's not like a VP to CEO. CEOs delegate things they don't do to executive assistants and EAs are very privy to everything CEO does but they rarely have skills to do what CEO does - specifically they do not do people management and they do not report to the board. The same for assistant coach, their function is extremely limited. VPs do exactly what CEO does, but for a portion of a company. So if you really want to compare anybody to a VP - that would be managers of B teams, but definitely not - assistant coaches.

Nope on the bolded. Ultimately if you see Arteta's role at City as an EA then I can understand your angst. I just don't think that the evidence on ground has Arteta playing such a inconsequential role. I also don't think Pep says what he said, about someone who just ran errands for him, as opposed to someone bringing a unique eye for training and tactics to the table.

 

[Bojan11]

Read what I said. I said CVs have no correlation to actual performance on the job. Which is why Emery has failed. Which is why LVG and Mourinho failed at United.

Barcelona chose Guardiola over Mourinho. By all indications that was a batshit decision. Madrid went with Zidane over the tons of managers with "experience". Managers with experience are getting fired every season. Experience doesn't count for shit, contrary to what the Caf (and fans in general) make it out to be.

And read what I said, Barcelona and Madrid can make these type of appointments because they have world class squads and the worst that can happen is they finish third or something.Madrid had three managers last season yet finished third comfortably. That clueless Tata nearly won the league with Barca.

If Arsenal or even United for that matter go through three managers in a season they definitely ain’t finishing third.

Managers with experience are getting fired? Oh really einstein. That’s how it tends to work with nearly every manager regardless of experience or not. Arteta will end up getting fired. There’s only a select few managers who can just walk away from a job without getting fired. Allegri did it last summer. The other two are Pep and Klopp.

 

[adexkola]

And read what I said, Barcelona and Madrid can make these type of appointments because they have world class squads and the worst that can happen is they finish third or something.Madrid had three managers last season yet finished third comfortably. That clueless Tata nearly won the league with Barca.

If Arsenal or even United for that matter go through three managers in a season they definitely ain’t finishing third.

Managers with experience are getting fired? Oh really einstein. That’s how it tends to work with nearly every manager regardless of experience or not. Arteta will end up getting fired. There’s only a select few managers who can just walk away from a job without getting fired. Allegri did it last summer. The other two are Pep and Klopp.

That's happened already with more experienced managers. They have too much quality to get relegated. Let's see what Arteta does.

Ok Nostradamus

 

[xonyo]

those were gambles and they worked out in a big way

g nev, henry, shearer, gattuso, maradona are more that haven’t worked out

it isn’t that arsenal is taking a gamble that bothers many MU fans — we don’t care about your club and the deeper it falls the better our chances for top 4

its that there’s quality out there and arsenal rolled the dice instead

ole was just an interim who did well and got a contract, if Jose was released end of season and ole was announced full time in the summer there would be just as many concerns here

I think at this point a gamble is what Arsenal need. If someone else had been manager the last 18 months, people would probably be saying Emery would be a 'safe' choice at this point with his experience at a top club and trophies with other teams.

Neville, Shearer, Henry all had no coaching experience with any club team whatsoever. Maradona is a bit of a special case really and Gattuso has done well enough to earn another job with Napoli.

 

[Bojan11]

That's happened already with more experienced managers. They have too much quality to get relegated. Let's see what Arteta does.

Ok Nostradamus

Yes managers get fired. So what’s your point?

Experience or not, Arteta is a risky appointment he’s more risky than let’s say Allegri but he’s probably more exciting to some.

Being Peps assistant means jack shit.They were a lot of players and assistants who were supposedly touted to be good managers because they played under Fergie and failed.

 

[MackRobinson]

Again, not the same. Zidane and Pep inherited well-oiled machines for clubs, with superb structures. Having Txiki Begiristain for director of football, alone, meant the world. Arsenal is in ruins. And still Pep & Zidane stories are the exceptions. How many other stories like that do you know? You cannot look at a lottery winner and declare it's a norm.

The point is there are exceptions and the sample size isn't large enough to say it's a not a good hire. The point is it has happened before with success.

I could easily ask you about all the examples of managers with good CVs who failed. The other point is looking primarily at a coach's history is a myopic way to judge an appointment.

 

[MackRobinson]

Almost like CVs have no fecking correlation to success on the job.

It's confirmation bias. A CV is the only tangible thing many fans can compare managers with (b/c they don't see training/tactics/interactions with players) so they believe their limited information set is enough to make a judgment. These are some of the sample people who defended Jose's failures and hate Ole b/c he's only managed Molde and Cardiff. I'd like to say I'm surprised but I'm not.

I hope he does well and I won't pretend to know if he will or not.

 

[sglowrider]

In the short/medium run, there will be two possible scenarios for Gooners:

1) Arteta AUT will be > than Ole OUT
2) Because the expectations have been set so low, Arteta will have a longer rope than Ole.

 

[Van Piorsing]

In the short/medium run, there will be two possible scenarios for Gooners:

1) Arteta AUT will be > than Ole OUT
2) Because the expectations have been set so low, Arteta will have a longer rope than Ole.

Yup, but when he'll meet owners to discuss transfers, he may feel already resigned.

Seriously good luck to him, he's going to need it and a lot.

 

[manc4red]

Its a good appointment. Calculated really. Arteta has a personal connection to arsenal so its a good choice to appease fans and also he has been working with pep for several years.

lets face it. Arsenal is ready to roll the dice with arteta. I can see him doing ok there. Hard to say if he will be greatly successful as there are so many power clubs in this league but he should at least have the boards backing on transfers.

this arsenal squad is fairly unbalanced imo. Lets see if we see a pep lite or will arteta blend what he has learned with something else.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Almost like CVs have no fecking correlation to success on the job.

Every manager with a great CV started with zero.

 

[Teja]

Nothing against Arsenal these days - almost feel bad for them. Hope they reverse course from their decline - they still have a pretty good squad and replacing Wenger was never going to be easy.

Emery was a strange choice - almost the same issues as Utd going for LVG with a team that Fergie assembled. It almost would've made sense the other way round, Arsenal signing LvG and a coach of Emery's style taking over Utd.

Arteta might make more sense for Arsenal if he sets up similar to Pep, although remains to be seen how they'll play.

 

[sglowrider]

Nothing against Arsenal these days - almost feel bad for them. Hope they reverse course from their decline - they still have a pretty good squad and replacing Wenger was never going to be easy.

Emery was a strange choice - almost the same issues as Utd going for LVG with a team that Fergie assembled. It almost would've made sense the other way round, Arsenal signing LvG and a coach of Emery's style taking over Utd.

Arteta might make more sense for Arsenal if he sets up similar to Pep, although remains to be seen how they'll play.

The difference here was Arsenal's board. They came out with a smug statement a couple of years ago regarding the lessons learnt from United.

And yet, here we are... rinse and repeat.

 

[SambaBoy]

No-one can say for certain how Arteta will do in the job, however it is a massive risk. Some ex-players are just geared towards being a successful manager whilst others are not. Arteta could come in and steady the ship, get Arsenal competing and finish comfortably in the top 6 before embarking on a longer term strategy over the next few years that could bring back top 4 football.

In contrast, he could find it to big a job, not have the know-how or experience to fall back to get results and ultimately lose the faith of the dressing room and the board. Without being able to call on any previous experience it's hard to know.

As a first job though, former players taking over relatively big clubs, history tends to tell us it won't work out too well. Henry was lauded as a good tactician and someone who would be a good manager, he went straight into Monaco and was a complete failure. They were sliding down the league just like Arsenal are. Gary Neville was always praised for his work on Sky Sports and people claimed he would be an excellent manager if he were to give it a try, he went to Valencia, a big team who were struggling, and he didn't arrest the decline.

Most managers cut their teeth at the smaller clubs, and their results dictate somewhat whether they can make the step up to a bigger club/senior position.

 

[Ancient Of Days]

Short answer: he's done better than Unai Emery did with a better squad.

Longer answer:

Managed to bring back joy to the club and gave us amazing games like the one against PSG, City, and Spurs, all along laying the foundation for a rebuild by:
1. cleaning out much of dead weight
2. introducing youngsters in a tangible way
3. Improving existing players
4. Buying 3 players, all of which worked out, so far. Arguably - we bought too few, but at least whomever he bought none were flops. Which is way more than we can say about Moyes, LVG, and Mourinho before him.

In reality, his one big problem is inconsistency, but that is very much expected when you are doing a major rebuild. Other than that - he's doing a lot of positive, without creating any drama. Which takes some skill considering the mess of a situation he inherited.

We'll see if Arteta can achieve as much. I am certain, the answer is - no.

Let's get one thing straight, Arsenal did not have a better squad than us when Emery took over. I know Ole's fans like to rewrite history and pretend that we had one of the worst's squad in the premiership, but you only have to look at the overall cost of our squad to see how much more depth and quality we had across the team compared to Arsenal's team.

Bringing back the joy is an subjective and immeasurable point since many of us don't find joy in watching the team being a one trick pony and I doubt many found joy watching us getting taken to school by the likes of Crystal Palace, Bournemouth, Huddersfield, Everton and Newcastle

1. ''Cleaning out dead weight'' - Another subjective intangible point, which simply entailed selling players(some who would have made a difference for results this season) which is the bread and butter of management. It's like praising a manager or CEO of a company for sacking members of staff

2. ''Introducing youngsters'' - I'm sure it's not beyond Arteta to introduce youngsters, something even Emery managed to do

3. ''Improving existing players'' - Again nothing beyond the capabilities of any manager, which is the basics of the job

4. ''Buying 3 players, all of which worked out, so far. Arguably - we bought too few, but at least whomever he bought none were flops. Which is way more than we can say about Moyes, LVG, and Mourinho before him''.,

Mourinho bought in more than 3 players and several of them who Ole is heavily dependent on . When Ole signs 6-8 players who are outside of England and they are all successful, then you can blow his trumpet.

So going back to the main question as to what has Ole has achieved, we can conclude that he has sold and brought players, played youngsters whilst improving several existing players. All things which any manager should be doing, least of all from one of the highest paid managers in football, though I'm sure some fans are of the genuine belief that he's working for free just for the privilege of being our manager

 

[Fox_Chrys]

Why is it our business what experience managers of lower league clubs have? You can surely tell the difference between what's at stake if they get it wrong, between big clubs and small clubs. The point is, no seriously run top club would behave this way. Big clubs don't take risks like this, there's too much at stake. This is an appointment which is so reckless that for all intents signals that the board has pretty much given up on the club. The guy has no experience whatsoever, and they're just hoping and praying he succeeds.

Arsenal's biggest problem is a lack of defensive structure, lack of organization and defensive players that wave the white flag at every available opportunity. The big idea that we have is to get a second-rate rookie from Man City, a club with their own long-standing defensive problems? What makes anybody think Arteta could solve any of this? This is just a gamble which doesn't have any justification.

Manchester City GA 19
Arsenal GA 27

Significantly better than your record.

Your post seems to indicate you expected a top of the draw manager, the problem is your club isnt an attractive job for those manager's, its in decline, and needs to be put on a upwards projectile before you get one of those manager's.

 

[Jacckk1985]

Arteta knew how Arsenal is run and what's the problems. Being ex player he even knew some of the players from his era. Still he took the risk to accept the offer and begin his managerial career there with all the risks and weaknesses.

Seeing how rated he is, I can only see it being huge success for them in the long run and they might even end up challenging in some time.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Seeing how rated he is, I can only see it being huge success for them in the long run and they might even end up challenging in some time.

Kidd was highly rated, Quieroz also, Schteeeeve McClaren, Steve Clarke... the list of highly rated assistants is enormous.

Yet somehow you can only see it being a huge success?

 

[Jacckk1985]

Kidd was highly rated, Quieroz also, Schteeeeve McClaren, Steve Clarke... the list of highly rated assistants is enormous.

Yet somehow you can only see it being a huge success?

Don't know anything about them, before my time. Arteta is modern guy in modern world, he knows his stuff.

 

[Topgun1]

Your post seems to indicate you expected a top of the draw manager, the problem is your club isnt an attractive job for those manager's

Your post seems to suggest Ancellotti wasn't available and didn't want to come to Arsenal. Standards on Redcafe really seems to have dropped, at least read the news before commenting next time. Good luck.

 

[RedPed]

Kidd was highly rated, Quieroz also, Schteeeeve McClaren, Steve Clarke... the list of highly rated assistants is enormous.

Yet somehow you can only see it being a huge success?

I don't get why people think it's a given just because Arteta was with Guardiola at City. Phelan was under the greatest of all time and flopped at Hull. Arsenal won't be spending £200m on defenders in the next 100 years. Arteta was the cheap option. It's a big risk. I hope it falls flat because, well the Arsenal fans deserve it. I'll be amazed if he lasts a year. They will need to hang on to Aubameyang and Lacazette to have any chance of success.

 

[LARulz]

Fans are really obsessed with CVs. It’s almost like the managerial careers of Pep and Zidane never existed...

To be fair, both managed clubs before the big breaks

 

[VorZakone]

I think the importance of managerial experience is declining in modern football, it seems to be more about connecting with the dressing room and having them play their hearts out for you.

 

[Seaman]

Yes managers get fired. So what’s your point?

Experience or not, Arteta is a risky appointment he’s more risky than let’s say Allegri but he’s probably more exciting to some.

Being Peps assistant means jack shit.They were a lot of players and assistants who were supposedly touted to be good managers because they played under Fergie and failed.

how is he more risky than Allegri who don’t speak English. After emery the last thing we need is more language barrier